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Postby Aristotlexxx on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:47 pm

An Offensive Coach! No Defense! No rings! Hate this signing! :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :disagree: :disagree: :disagree: :disagree: :man2: :man2: :man2:
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Postby escitnj on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:53 pm

Good (actually a great) hire, but relative to what could have been, I'm still a little disappointed. Still, this team will be just fine. It will be exciting to see the new look on Lakers offense once Nash gets back.
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:14 pm

I'm just happy #FireMikeBrown happened...As Bernie has shown, this team can be coached by anyone, as long as they stay out of the way.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby RushDelivery on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:37 pm

Finwë wrote:Hopefully as we come down from the excitement we had about Phil's comeback, people can start supporting D'Antoni.

I never supported Mike Brown and I have no plans to support D'Antoni. I also do not support the way the front office has handled this, and I am very disappointed to see the Lakers associated with deceit and underhanded tactics.

I do support the team, the players, and I hope they can win the title despite having D'Antoni as their coach.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby Phil XI on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:41 pm

To answer the tread title posit: Amare created a 200 mil all-star career, Shaq avgd 18, and even Gortat avgd 15. I think the post will be just fine with Dwight at 24/12 ish, Pau at 17/10 ish.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby thkthebest on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:46 pm

Phil XI wrote:To answer the tread title posit: Amare created a 200 mil all-star career, Shaq avgd 18, and even Gortat avgd 15. I think the post will be just fine with Dwight at 24/12 ish, Pau at 17/10 ish.

Gortat didn't play for D'Antoni, and Shaq didn't average that under D'Antoni.

But there was one constant throughout all this...Nash.
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:50 pm

KB24 wrote:Glock would be looking good right now compared to Blake or Duhon :man11:


Duhon has shot the ball at this level way better than Goudelock. He can actually handler the ball and play adequate defense as well.
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Postby gill on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:04 pm

Coach Nick on how Mike D's offense will fit the Lakers:



Something needs to be done about Pau and Ron spotting up on the corner.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:15 pm

thkthebest wrote:
Phil XI wrote:To answer the tread title posit: Amare created a 200 mil all-star career, Shaq avgd 18, and even Gortat avgd 15. I think the post will be just fine with Dwight at 24/12 ish, Pau at 17/10 ish.

Gortat didn't play for D'Antoni, and Shaq didn't average that under D'Antoni.

But there was one constant throughout all this...Nash.


They did use D'Antoni's system, right?
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby gill on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:17 pm

karacha wrote:
thkthebest wrote:
Phil XI wrote:To answer the tread title posit: Amare created a 200 mil all-star career, Shaq avgd 18, and even Gortat avgd 15. I think the post will be just fine with Dwight at 24/12 ish, Pau at 17/10 ish.

Gortat didn't play for D'Antoni, and Shaq didn't average that under D'Antoni.

But there was one constant throughout all this...Nash.


They did use D'Antoni's system, right?


They still do...
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby thkthebest on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:41 pm

karacha wrote:
thkthebest wrote:
Phil XI wrote:To answer the tread title posit: Amare created a 200 mil all-star career, Shaq avgd 18, and even Gortat avgd 15. I think the post will be just fine with Dwight at 24/12 ish, Pau at 17/10 ish.

Gortat didn't play for D'Antoni, and Shaq didn't average that under D'Antoni.

But there was one constant throughout all this...Nash.


They did use D'Antoni's system, right?

Not really. Shaq wasn't part of some SSOL offensive scheme. The dude was a 36-year-old behemoth. When Shaq averaged 18 ppg, they were force feeding him in the post and took some responsibilities away from Nash. It didn't take long for them to realize that Shaq just didn't fit on the team. After they got rid of Shaq (and Porter), Nash lead a historically great offensive team. That team was nearly unstoppable on the offensive end, and they pushed our championship Lakers to 6 games (almost 7).

Gentry did bring back the SSOL offense. Still, it wasn't the SSOL offense that helped Gortat average career highs. It was Nash. Let's put it this way. What benefited Gortat? Trying to run down the court in 7 seconds and get an easy bucket or running the pnr with Nash and having Nash find him? Nash himself said that they weren't doing that much running anymore. They were more of a pnr team.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby NawtKool on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:47 pm

I think people are taking MDA's defensive "lacking" too far. He coached the Suns to a league average Drtg with Amare. Defense will not be a problem (or at least it won't become a bigger problem).
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:59 pm

My concern is that D'Antoni had two all-stars in NY, one down low and and iso guy on the wing, and he couldn't win games. No Nash, no wins, I guess.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:15 pm

NawtKool wrote:I think people are taking MDA's defensive "lacking" too far. He coached the Suns to a league average Drtg with Amare. Defense will not be a problem (or at least it won't become a bigger problem).


average isnt good enough to win a title. every championship team since the 2001 lakers (21st in defensive rating) has been a top 10 defensive team.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:37 pm

^^^But Chooks...defense in today's game is overrated. Just look at what the Heat team did...they played small uptempo up and down basketball and won the title. Ignore that you need youth to play that way in the first place and ignore that they ranked 4th in the league in defensive efficiency (5th in the playoffs vs 12th for OKC)...just forget all that! That team won in spite of Spoels...and D'Antoni is a much better coach.

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Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:48 pm

CaCHooKa Man wrote:
NawtKool wrote:I think people are taking MDA's defensive "lacking" too far. He coached the Suns to a league average Drtg with Amare. Defense will not be a problem (or at least it won't become a bigger problem).


average isnt good enough to win a title. every championship team since the 2001 lakers (21st in defensive rating) has been a top 10 defensive team.


His teams were average defensively with mostly bad defenders. Dwight (once fully healthy) alone makes us a top 10 defensive team.
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Postby Lqv2015 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:51 pm

No more tacos for the fans that's for sure.
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Postby karacha on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:53 pm

I think we are going to be solid defensively. We have better defensive players then those Suns teams. And on offense, we do have Nash. We do have the best P&R player in Dwight. We have Kobe. I am not concerned.

They should give tacos for keeping the opponent under 100, or scoring over 120.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby KobeSystemtwofour on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:15 pm

It's been a wild week to say the least.
I’m happy to have closure and can't wait to get to work with Coach D'Antoni.. spacing, ball movement. And despite the chatter, I believe we will be phenomenal defensively. I’m looking forward to getting started with him and his staff this week.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:27 pm

And he said he had Mike B's back....so what?

A company man with a company line...that's all I see. His sincerest comments came when he was gushing about Phil and how he let the man down in his last run at a title.
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Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:31 pm

It's still dissapointing, but b******* about it isn't gonna change things. MDT is our coach just accept it. At first I was furious, but now that I've calmed down so to speak it's not that bad of a hire. Matter of fact he may actually be a better fit than Phil would've. Reason being is outside of Kobe, World Peace, and Gasol none of the players really know the triangle. To ask them to try to learn it during the season with no training camp would've made it very difficult. MDT might have had teams that have struggled defensively, but he never really had a lockdown defender on his roster. When Dwight gets back to full health he's the best defensive player in the league and as a result this team will be very tough to score on.
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Postby KobeSystemtwofour on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:33 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:And he said he had Mike B's back....so what?

A company man with a company line...that's all I see. His sincerest comments came when he was gushing about Phil and how he let the man down in his last run at a title.


Had Mike Browns back.. til Mike Brown got in the way to much..difference there
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Postby JGC on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:38 pm

I was really upset at first when I heard the news, but now that I've had time to think about it ... I feel less upset. For the following reasons:

1) I bet MDA will turn Blake in to a very serviceable backup PG. Blake was just that prior to coming to LA.

2) Even though MDA is not a defensive coach, we do have very good individual defenders in MWP and especially, D12. Sure, the Suns played no defense but they didn't exactly have the best defensive minded players. We won't be a lockdown defensive team but if we can score 110 PPG we won't need to be.

3) MDA has no rings. But at some point Phil had no rings. Erik Spoelstra had no rings once. Maybe we can help Nash and D'Antoni get their first rings ... that's a pretty cool story.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

Postby dj vitus on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:41 pm

We all wanted more pick and rolls and for Nash to handle the ball more. Isn't that what we got?

Hopefully he limits Kobe, Pau, and Metta to no more than 34 mins a game. Please don't overplay our starters like what Brown did. Now let's let this guy have a chance (especially after Nash gets back) before we throw him under the bus already.
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Postby dj vitus on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:48 pm

What's interesting is that D'Antoni's Knicks were the 5th best defensive team in the league when they got Chandler. When Howard gets into better shape, we can hope to get close.

If we end up as the NBA's premier offensive juggernaut team, our defense only needs to rank around the middle or higher to have a good shot at the ring. Teams like Miami take pride in their defense, but if they can't guard us, that just may be our only hope.
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