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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:12 pm

Doc Brown wrote:"The defense sucks because MDA won't let Rambis do his job..."

I can see it coming.


Well MDA did stop Rambis in Minnisota..... No... Wait....
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Defense is a lot easier when all 5 players know what they are doing and in the correct spots. That hasn't been the case for a couple of years now.

I'm hoping Rambis can at least put together a defense where everyone knows where they are supposed to be when the ball is in "x" area of the court.

Then we can change it up and run a more athletic play the passing lanes, trapping, get turnovers defense when the young guys are on the court.

Exactly. I feel like a lot of fans believe that their respective teams need to have star, lock down defenders. It helps if you have those but if you can real solid on your rotations and everyone moving as one on that side of the ball it's almost better than just have 1-2 great defenders.

I've said it before and I'll say it again now that its official. I love that Kurt is back!
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby Ariza3 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:02 pm

his hiring should help our team out alot.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:09 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:Defense is a lot easier when all 5 players know what they are doing and in the correct spots. That hasn't been the case for a couple of years now.

I'm hoping Rambis can at least put together a defense where everyone knows where they are supposed to be when the ball is in "x" area of the court.

Then we can change it up and run a more athletic play the passing lanes, trapping, get turnovers defense when the young guys are on the court.

Exactly. I feel like a lot of fans believe that their respective teams need to have star, lock down defenders. It helps if you have those but if you can real solid on your rotations and everyone moving as one on that side of the ball it's almost better than just have 1-2 great defenders.

I've said it before and I'll say it again now that its official. I love that Kurt is back!

I agree. Look at the Spurs. Kawahi is a good defender and Tim obviously has the pedigree, but besides those two there's not any outstanding defenders on their team. Their system is built to help them out and cover their weaknesses.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby 432J on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:26 pm

so if MDA sucks they can fire him and rambis can take over as HC

and then phil can come back the season after!
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:57 am

Doc Brown wrote:"The defense sucks because MDA won't let Rambis do his job..."

I can see it coming.


:man10: Right..... would suck too much energy from "go go go"
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:06 am

Doc Brown wrote:Defense is a lot easier when all 5 players know what they are doing and in the correct spots. That hasn't been the case for a couple of years now.

I'm hoping Rambis can at least put together a defense where everyone knows where they are supposed to be when the ball is in "x" area of the court.

Then we can change it up and run a more athletic play the passing lanes, trapping, get turnovers defense when the young guys are on the court.


Sorry Doc, am not stalking you but just picking up on some of your many "pearls". How's that for a suck up :man10:

But true, and how could that have been with Mr "DVDs-Defense-Is-My-Specialty-All-Day-Every-Day"? Who brought the Euro freaking Genius over as well for the offense that looked like crap all season. :man10: :man10:
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:17 am

@mcten: Remember when D'Antoni played just 7 guys on the 2nd night of a b2b in PHX? He told @ESPNLA710 that he'll have an 11-man rotation next year


There's more interview to be posted, but this is what stood out to me.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:40 am

Our roster got worse defensively, but it is true that we were not in sync at all last season on that end. No one knew what to do and frequently blamed each other. Also Kobe was really really bad and played so many minutes so that hurt as well.

This season if everyone covers for each other and doesn't screw up the rotations we might actually be better but I wouldn't count on it.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:57 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
@mcten: Remember when D'Antoni played just 7 guys on the 2nd night of a b2b in PHX? He told @ESPNLA710 that he'll have an 11-man rotation next year


There's more interview to be posted, but this is what stood out to me.

Apparently he said some good things. I was out in a meeting right as the interview happened, but this was what the guys were talking about afterwards.

I'd think it will work out like we all imagine it will:

Nash (28)/Blake (5)/ Farmar (15)
Bryant (30)/ Blake (15)/ Young (3)
Young (24)/ Johnson (24)
Hill (25)/ Gasol (13)/ Elias or Kelly (10)
Gasol (20)/ Kaman (25)/ Hill (3)

Or something close to that... I think the inside rotation will take a while to perfect, but the guard rotation I think is pretty likely.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:17 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:"The defense sucks because MDA won't let Rambis do his job..."

I can see it coming.


Well MDA did stop Rambis in Minnisota..... No... Wait....


I would hope that if our defense sucks this season, and players look like they are giving their all and playing together at the same time, that we realize we don't have the personnel to play D, not that coaches aren't doing their job.

As for Rambis, yeah, his Minnesota teams sucked, but to be fair the rosters were not very good. I don't think he's an amazing coach, but I do think for sure that in '99 he wasn't ready for the challenge yet, and in Minny he had a bad team. If 'Antoni is fired at some point and Rambis is interim coach, I'd be good with it, I like Rambis, and I like that he's our fall back guy instead of ... well no one.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby trodgers on Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:03 pm

I do think we won't suddenly be a good defensive team, but Rambis didn't have much to work with in Minnesota.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby BDG on Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:54 pm

I'm not the biggest fan of D'Antoni b, but he does seem to be more than willing to make adjustments -- even to the core of his coaching philosophies.

I like hearing about a larger rotation.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:41 pm

"I foresee 11 guys playing a lot of minutes and 11 guys getting involved and 11 guys getting to where we can be more up-tempo and put a lot of pressure on teams."
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby TheOp on Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:22 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
@mcten: Remember when D'Antoni played just 7 guys on the 2nd night of a b2b in PHX? He told @ESPNLA710 that he'll have an 11-man rotation next year


There's more interview to be posted, but this is what stood out to me.

Apparently he said some good things. I was out in a meeting right as the interview happened, but this was what the guys were talking about afterwards.

I'd think it will work out like we all imagine it will:

Nash (28)/Blake (5)/ Farmar (15)
Bryant (30)/ Blake (15)/ Young (3)
Young (24)/ Johnson (24)
Hill (25)/ Gasol (13)/ Elias or Kelly (10)
Gasol (20)/ Kaman (25)/ Hill (3)

Or something close to that... I think the inside rotation will take a while to perfect, but the guard rotation I think is pretty likely.


You want to play Pau and Kaman together for long stretches? Id also like to see Farmar get some more minutes. Heres how id break it down

Nash (28), Farmar (20),Blake(3)
Kobe(29),Blake(10), Young(5),Farmar(4)
Young(22), Johnson(23), Kobe(3)
Hlil(31),Gasol(6),Kelly(11)
Gasol(25),Kaman(23)

Im not sure if this would be possible because of how many guys playing out of position, but it could work. This is actually a pretty deep roster. If Kobe, Nash, and Gasol can be a great big 3, this team could contend for a championship only if Kobe comes back opening night and is ready to lead the team again.

Hill and Gasol should be getting the most minutes together and they would be a pretty good frontline defensively, if Hill comes back healthy and can do the dirty work again. Kelly is supposedly pretty good defensively and he would be a great floor spacer and seems like a good fit for MDA system.
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Postby trodgers on Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:32 am

Up tempo, eh?
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:14 am

TheOp wrote:You want to play Pau and Kaman together for long stretches? Id also like to see Farmar get some more minutes

It's not about wanting to, it's about necessity. Hill hasn't played more than 16 minutes per game in his career thus far and he's ALREADY getting hurt a lot. You're saying he should play almost twice that?

As for Farmar, I'd like to see more minutes for him too, but I can't imagine they play him more minutes than Blake, especially at the start of the season. D'Antoni absolutely loves Blake and given that he'll be more of a 2 guard, they'll look at him as a super versatile weapon in this offense.

TheOp wrote:Im not sure if this would be possible because of how many guys playing out of position, but it could work. This is actually a pretty deep roster. If Kobe, Nash, and Gasol can be a great big 3, this team could contend for a championship only if Kobe comes back opening night and is ready to lead the team again.

The roster is deeper than it was before, but pretty deep is a stretch. They blew their load on guard depth and Center depth, but their PF rotation is so ridiculously questionable that it really brings the expectations of this team down. I love Jordan Hill, he's a hustle guy, plays with heart, shows constant development. But he's a career 5/5 guy and he's very often injured. Kelly and Harris are rookies, one from the second round and one who wasn't even drafted... Not inspiring.

I think this team could be a dark horse for a deep playoff push if/when everyone gets back, but there are so many ifs and whens... the season would have to break EXACTLY right for that to happen and I'm not counting on that.

TheOp wrote:Hill and Gasol should be getting the most minutes together and they would be a pretty good frontline defensively, if Hill comes back healthy and can do the dirty work again. Kelly is supposedly pretty good defensively and he would be a great floor spacer and seems like a good fit for MDA system.

I've read a lot on Kelly and he's NOT good defensively. His foot speed is slow (and he's recovering from injury), he's not athletic, and although he has tremendous length he doesn't have the quickness to be a very good help defender. He'll be a good system defender because he's a smart kid and I think we'll see a lot of Gasol-esque defense from him down low. He'll probably have to be cross matched or he'll get torched by PFs in this league.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby Juronimo on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:21 am

Hill is injury prone so I wouldn't want him out there more than 24 minutes. Same with Nash. Kobe's minutes need to be no higher than 32-34 when he comes back. I wouldn't want Pau to play more than 35 if possible. This has less talent but more depth, hopefully the coaching staff will utilize it.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby TheOp on Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:35 pm

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TheOp wrote:You want to play Pau and Kaman together for long stretches? Id also like to see Farmar get some more minutes

It's not about wanting to, it's about necessity. Hill hasn't played more than 16 minutes per game in his career thus far and he's ALREADY getting hurt a lot. You're saying he should play almost twice that?

As for Farmar, I'd like to see more minutes for him too, but I can't imagine they play him more minutes than Blake, especially at the start of the season. D'Antoni absolutely loves Blake and given that he'll be more of a 2 guard, they'll look at him as a super versatile weapon in this offense.

TheOp wrote:Im not sure if this would be possible because of how many guys playing out of position, but it could work. This is actually a pretty deep roster. If Kobe, Nash, and Gasol can be a great big 3, this team could contend for a championship only if Kobe comes back opening night and is ready to lead the team again.

The roster is deeper than it was before, but pretty deep is a stretch. They blew their load on guard depth and Center depth, but their PF rotation is so ridiculously questionable that it really brings the expectations of this team down. I love Jordan Hill, he's a hustle guy, plays with heart, shows constant development. But he's a career 5/5 guy and he's very often injured. Kelly and Harris are rookies, one from the second round and one who wasn't even drafted... Not inspiring.

I think this team could be a dark horse for a deep playoff push if/when everyone gets back, but there are so many ifs and whens... the season would have to break EXACTLY right for that to happen and I'm not counting on that.

TheOp wrote:Hill and Gasol should be getting the most minutes together and they would be a pretty good frontline defensively, if Hill comes back healthy and can do the dirty work again. Kelly is supposedly pretty good defensively and he would be a great floor spacer and seems like a good fit for MDA system.

I've read a lot on Kelly and he's NOT good defensively. His foot speed is slow (and he's recovering from injury), he's not athletic, and although he has tremendous length he doesn't have the quickness to be a very good help defender. He'll be a good system defender because he's a smart kid and I think we'll see a lot of Gasol-esque defense from him down low. He'll probably have to be cross matched or he'll get torched by PFs in this league.


1) Its not ideal to have JH play so many minutes but hes our only big that can play defense at an elite level. If we want any shot at protecting the rim he should be getting a lot of minutes, injury prone or not.

2) I cant see him getting that many minutes either, but its what I would do. Realistically both Farmar and Hill will probably not get as many minutes as they should. However I can see Farmar having a breakout stretch that forces Dantoni to play him more minutes later on.

3) I wouldnt classify our PF rotation as bad, I group all the bigs together cause they will all be rotating positions, and Pau is too slow for PF now. I think its a pretty decent rotation they just lack defense. I think youre kind of underrating Hill. He averaged 7 and 6 last year in 16 minutes per game. Double those minutes and his productions is around 14 points and 12 rebounds per game, that is totally doable if he gets starter minutes. Hes done all he can do to show hes starter material on a championship roster, he hustles and does a lot of dirty work, its not his fault Dumbton is too dumb to play him. If he stays healthy hes our only shot at a deep playoff run, because hes the only one that can replace what Dwight gave us defensively.

4) Yeah and like I said Kobe coming back opening night is the only way we achieve anything. If he comes back late we already get off to a slow start and it takes him more time to get adjusted. But if everyone were healthy, id say we have a top 4 team in the West.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:05 pm

Hill can't play 20 MPG without getting hurt, & you want to play him 31? Insane.. Either Harris or Kelly are gonna have to step up or we better be signing another PF.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:28 pm

TheOp wrote:1) Its not ideal to have JH play so many minutes but hes our only big that can play defense at an elite level. If we want any shot at protecting the rim he should be getting a lot of minutes, injury prone or not.

I agree he's going to have to play more minutes, but not as many as you have allotted him. That's just too many.

TheOp wrote:2) I cant see him getting that many minutes either, but its what I would do. Realistically both Farmar and Hill will probably not get as many minutes as they should. However I can see Farmar having a breakout stretch that forces Dantoni to play him more minutes later on.
Agreed, but at first it will be the Steve Blake show around here.

TheOp wrote:3) I wouldnt classify our PF rotation as bad, I group all the bigs together cause they will all be rotating positions, and Pau is too slow for PF now. I think its a pretty decent rotation they just lack defense. I think youre kind of underrating Hill. He averaged 7 and 6 last year in 16 minutes per game. Double those minutes and his productions is around 14 points and 12 rebounds per game, that is totally doable if he gets starter minutes. Hes done all he can do to show hes starter material on a championship roster, he hustles and does a lot of dirty work, its not his fault Dumbton is too dumb to play him. If he stays healthy hes our only shot at a deep playoff run, because hes the only one that can replace what Dwight gave us defensively.


Dumbton? Yikes.

There's no way that Jordan Hill jumps that high in production even with doubled minutes. There's just no way that he averages 14/12 unless our team is so bad that he HAS to average that much and I don't think we are.

I see him much closer to 10/8 with a block added in there. You're right about a lot of things about Jordan, but I just really don't see him being able to handle the amount of responsibility you're giving him. I need more proof that he can do it and I need more proof that he can hold up physically.

TheOp wrote:4) Yeah and like I said Kobe coming back opening night is the only way we achieve anything. If he comes back late we already get off to a slow start and it takes him more time to get adjusted. But if everyone were healthy, id say we have a top 4 team in the West.

I don't know about top 4 even if we were healthy. I think we'd be a 5-6 if we were healthy. I still put the Clippers, the Thunder, the Warriors, and the Spurs above us no matter what. Health will depend on who else is above us at that point.

I think we're most in agreement here, but you have loftier expectations of some of the younger guys. I just don't see it yet. I'd love to be wrong though.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: Rambo! (130)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:58 pm

Sad note for talk-show hosts: Mike D'Antoni isn't turning up his car radio to hear you and your faithful listeners destroy him.

"Hell, no," D'Antoni said on a sunny Manhattan Beach afternoon, plenty of time before rush-hour shows typically unleash another round of venom aimed at the Lakers' coach.

These are trying times to be a Lakers fan in Los Angeles, the playoffs hardly a guarantee next season as the Clippers continue their assumed ascension past the 16-time NBA champions.

Naturally, many of the verbal arrows get fired at the affable D'Antoni in comments at the end of online stories, letters to the editor and the above-mentioned airwaves.

No, the specter of Phil Jackson never quite left the Lakers.

"I think anybody that comes in here the next 10, 15 years, it's going to be that way," D'Antoni said. "I don't think there is any doubt that he was so good and so large and he's still sitting out there.

"Had that bothered me, I shouldn't have taken the job because you know it's going to be there. I wasn't stupid enough to think that, 'Oh, they won't remember him.' Sure they will. It doesn't really affect what we do day-to-day and how we approach the game."

D'Antoni, 62, has two more guaranteed years on his contract after going 40-32 last season and then getting swept in the playoffs by San Antonio as his players crumbled physically.

Kobe Bryant's season ended in mid-April, Steve Nash's season never seemed to get underway and even the loss of Steve Blake was mourned in the playoffs (strained hamstring).

Lakers fans didn't want injury excuses. Nor could they ever blame their on-court heroes. So they sharpened their tongues and went after D'Antoni.

"I'm sure it's out there. If you don't win, it's there," he said. "If you're coaching in Fort Wayne, it's going to be the same thing. I think the Lakers are a special case because they're the No. 1 team that's on ESPN. You just do the best job you can do and go on. If you get caught up in what they're saying, you can't do your job."

Then he mentioned his peers in what was a surprisingly cranky, impatient off-season.

"Look at what happened to coaches this year. Eleven get let go. And three or four of them had the best years the franchise has ever had," D'Antoni said. "So who am I to say they're treating me bad? What about all those other guys?"

D'Antoni never feared for his job security despite the first-round playoff flameout.

"No, because Mitch [Kupchak] and Jim Buss were really supportive and great," he said of the team's front-office executives. "I couldn't ask for anything better from the staff and franchise. I don't want to be flippant, but you also have to have an attitude of, 'To hell with everything. Concentrate. Go forward.' You can't get distracted by the noise."

The Lakers finished seventh in the Western Conference last season and then lost Dwight Howard's 17 points and 12 rebounds a game to the "little town" of Houston, to steal Shaquille O'Neal's assessment.

They also lost veteran free agent Antawn Jamison, who publicly criticized D'Antoni and has yet to sign with another team.

Addition by subtraction? The Lakers can only hope, despite their very public courting of Howard that started a mere eight weeks ago and crashed and burned barely a week later.

"We've definitely improved our shooting and I think the chemistry will be better just because the uncertainty has gone away," D'Antoni said. "A lot of people will know their roles better and what's going on on the floor better. Dealing with free agency day to day, we won't have those problems."

The Lakers added Nick Young, Jordan Farmar, Wesley Johnson and veteran center Chris Kaman.

"We're real excited about some of the possibilities and trying to develop some guys that will turn into good players," D'Antoni said. "It'll be good for them, good for the Lakers. It's always exciting to have young guys like that who are willing to learn, willing to work hard."

The important players, though, are the obvious ones, and they'll arrive at training camp in six weeks with question marks and asterisks.

Bryant, who turns 35 on Friday, claims to be ahead of schedule in recovering from a torn Achilles' tendon but hasn't started playing yet. Nash, 39, still isn't at full strength after sustaining a broken bone in his leg last season, along with a complicated hip and hamstring injury that required numerous epidural shots. Pau Gasol, 33, recently began non-basketball activities after undergoing a procedure three months ago to try to prevent further soreness in his knee tendons.

"I think Pau and Nash will be 100% before the season starts," D'Antoni said. "We'll try to go slow with them during preseason and make sure they're OK. We'll see how the season goes but maybe work with them to keep their minutes down to where it's manageable and keep them OK."

Possible playing-time restrictions for Gasol and Nash? Uh-oh.

Meanwhile, the Lakers can only hope Bryant returns for the season opener Oct. 29 against the Clippers.

"I think Kobe's still a question mark in the sense that nobody knows for sure," D'Antoni said. "You have to look at his track record and what he's done and how he's battled through things and it's like, 'Oh, wow.' But until the doctors can tell you, and that's another month away that they'll be able to give a timetable, we'll see what happens."

D'Antoni added that Bryant would "definitely win the battle. He always does."

Few basketball experts think the Lakers will win enough games to make the playoffs. Three teams that finished below them last season — Portland, Minnesota and New Orleans — have improved already-young rosters.

Yet D'Antoni thinks the Lakers can improve upon last season's 45-37 record ... if they stay healthy.

"I don't see why not," he said. "I think we can be better because I don't think we reached our potential last year. Our lack of defense came mostly from lack of energy from guys that didn't feel right in their place on the team. Defense is energy, concentration and the desire to do it.

"If something is sapping that energy — distractions, injuries, not feeling good about the team — then you're not going to put your heart and soul into it and it comes out on the defensive end. They just didn't feel each other."

D'Antoni will go to Wake Forest for a week with his son, Michael Jr., who will be a freshman.

But before the elder D'Antoni heads east, he has kind words for everyone who doesn't think so kindly of him.

"Everything's been good," he said. "It's surprising how many fans there are. It's even more than what I thought. Everything's been real good."

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Postby therealdeal on Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:24 pm

Pretty vanilla, but nice read anyway.
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Postby Punk-101 on Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:17 pm

therealdeal wrote:Pretty vanilla, but nice read anyway.

Really, vanilla? I spotted a few largish veiled barbs towards Howard.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:27 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Pretty vanilla, but nice read anyway.

Really, vanilla? I spotted a few largish veiled barbs towards Howard.

I meant in terms of what we should expect next season from our team. Nothing we hadn't heard before.

As for the shots at Howard, everyone in the organization outside of Jeanie and Mitch have taken pretty obvious shots at Howard. :man10: Kobe, Jim, and D'Antoni... Nash too and Pau. I think there's a lot of people who were sick of his bulls***.
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