Mike D'Antoni Discussion: RESIGNS AS LAKERS COACH (184)

Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby noobiew on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:12 pm

Good adjustment, continue this lineup please, I like the Pau-Hill front court pair-up, Hill bring energy and Wesley bring athleticism and defense that were woefully lack in our starting lineup. I also like the 1-2-3 bench combo in Farmar, Henry and Young, with Kaman as the bench unit center and Williams to stretch the floor for the young guys, this is a nice second unit.

Pau - Hill - Wesley - Meeks - Blake

Kaman - Williams - Young - Henry - Farmar
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:16 pm

i never knew wesley johnson was a small forward
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:18 pm

Finally, finally, finally. Hill gets the start he deserves. Johnson plays the three :man4:

Now we're talking about something. Blake at the 1, Johnson at three, Hill in with the starters at the 4, Pau at 5, Kaman as the sole backup 5. Williams at backup 4.

Guys playing their rightful positions = winning basketball. Took long enough. Are we finally done with the small ball? I can only hope so.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:35 pm

Lakerjones wrote:>> Are we finally done with the small ball? I can only hope so.<<


I hope so too, but given Antoni's talent for snatching failure from the jaws of success, I won't be holding my breath.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LakerFan1235 on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:46 pm

I think this was our best starting line up yet. But boy, I hope Hill stays healthy.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:51 pm

Nice of Dan to finally put to use what he's been reading on CL for weeks now about the lineups. Duh! Wow who knew Hill should be starting and getting minutes. :wave: I liked his substitutions a lot tonight. Had a good flow to the combinations and keeps everyone fresh.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby revgen on Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:36 am

So we play a center at center, a power foward at power forward, a small forward at small forward, a shooting guard at shooting guard, and a point guard at point guard, and we win.

Amazing.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby karacha on Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:13 am

Yeah. What a concept.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:13 am

who would've thunk :freak2:
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby lotus on Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:27 am

revgen wrote:So we play a center at center, a power foward at power forward, a small forward at small forward, a shooting guard at shooting guard, and a point guard at point guard, and we win.

Amazing.

It has always seemed like the less we play his euro ball, 7 seconds or less approach, the better our success. I don't see how no post play and jacking 3's is a winning solution for this team. Play a more traditional game and we can compete on a respectable level. That's why Phil would have been good, and why Rambis will be a better coaching fit next season.

How long before MDA starts harping about speeding up the tempo and taking more 3's.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:02 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:>> Are we finally done with the small ball? I can only hope so.<<


I hope so too, but given Antoni's talent for snatching failure from the jaws of success, I won't be holding my breath.


This....

MDA will probably still monkey with the lineup again. If this group doesn't blow out the next opponent by 20 we'll see a new 5 almost assuredly.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Snakell Beast on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:05 am

Bernie Bickerstaff is a no-nonsense, fundamentals and defense coach and he had us straight ballin' last year until Pringles showed up and ruined the momentum...we have enough talent to win 40-45 games without Kobe, maybe 50-55 (in a full season) with him...there is NO reason at this point to overcomplicate things or to play small ball...which simply doesn't work with our roster or for playoff success.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:39 am

I'm pretty sure the starting 5 will change within the next 3-5 games as soon as a blowout happens/starters have a couple of subpar games
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:42 am

Players are finally finding an identity on this team and filling into their roles. It took awhile, but we're seeing where each player SHOULD play.

Starters:
Blake - is a natural PG. He's a willing passer, and I think would prefer to than shoot, even though he can shoot. No more SG.
Meeks - is having a fantastically consistent season so far on BOTH ends of the court. He's in control, and taking shots he SHOULD take. Defensively he's active and the new defensive system is keeping him honest.
Johnson - is athletic. Kid can jump and block shots and grab boards. He's MUCH better when moving TOWARD the rim than he is spotting up and shooting.
Hill - should be starting. He's energy. He's second chance points. He's the dirty work.
Pau - isn't the same anymore. He's more of a glue guy now than a #2 guy. He's great at facilitating and making the right play, but he just doesn't have the lift or strength to post as he used to. I'm hoping it's just conditioning and he regains some of that form and confidence again.

Bench:
Farmar - The lead. He's is very much in control and it's so nice to see him take command and run the offense.
Henry - Needs to stay confident. He has the skills, he has the athleticism, but he needs to know how and when to make each play and stay in control.
Young - Volume scorer. We knew this is his style, and it's perfect for the bench when we get into tight situations when we need someone to create.
Williams - He can spread the floor and is active defensively. Not much to say except he needs to keep on truckin.
Kaman - Perfect backup C. Compliments Pau, plays hard on both ends of the court.

When Kobe comes back, there will be some who will lose playing time. That might fault onto Henry unfortunately, unless MDA plays small ball using Farmar/Meeks/Henry/Young and Williams is the odd man out.

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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:50 am

Azndude2190 wrote:
I don't think there has been a Lakers team that ever played defense. Even our championship teams weren't known for their defense, they just happened to play defense when it mattered the most.


2009 Lakers : ended up the season 4th in both offensive and defensive efficiencies
2010 Lakers : ended up the season 6th in defensive efficiency, 10th on offense .

Your claim is a stretch even if I get what you mean
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:54 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:>> Are we finally done with the small ball? I can only hope so.<<


I hope so too, but given Antoni's talent for snatching failure from the jaws of success, I won't be holding my breath.


This....

MDA will probably still monkey with the lineup again. If this group doesn't blow out the next opponent by 20 we'll see a new 5 almost assuredly.


Plus as soon as one of these guys has a cold game or makes a couple of mistakes he'll yank them and eff with their confidence. Potato did the same thing. Phil took it to extremes the other direction….. sometimes making us crazy by ignoring the hot hand and not giving it a couple extra minutes.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Azndude2190 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:12 am

I kind of want D'Antoni to bring Pau off the bench and have this starting 5:

PG-Blake
SG-Meeks
SF-Johnson
PF-Williams
C-Hill

But that might make Pau suck even more, so I don't know.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am

Hells to the NO ^^^. Only change to the 4 or 5 spot should be Kaman over Pau if Pau needs to come off the bench. Good to see his game last night, but someone said they saw him limping. Not all that impressed with Williams.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LakerFan1235 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:33 pm

lol why would we ever start williams over pau.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Azndude2190 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:50 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:lol why would we ever start williams over pau.


Because he's younger and more athletic.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:54 pm

That'd be like starting Shannon Brown over Kobe Bryant.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby Azndude2190 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:58 pm

Except, Pau is not Kobe.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:54 pm

Hate on Pau….go ahead….but I (know :) Pau Gasol and Shawne Williams is NO Pau Gasol. :man12: :man12:

Making the joke….but still serious….even now.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby khmrP on Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:50 am

irony when I see this guy get mad at defensive brakedowns when he doesn't actually preach it during practice, what was it like 10 mins or so focusing on D in practice from what I recall him mentioning.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:35 am

If he didn't try to be cute with the starting line-up, I think we'll have a reversed record right now...but insisting on his 2 point guard starters and stretch four crap really put pressure on the bench to make up for being down early on and losing steam at endgames.
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