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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:30 pm

I'm all for firing 'Antoni now and asking Rambis to be interim to finish the season. I don't think it wins us any extra games so it doesn't hurt our pick, but like you say it probably leads to more discipline and maybe playing more the right way, team ball, getting away from his 3-happy system. I think players like 'Antoni a lot, because he lets them do what they want, but I don't know that anyone respects him.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:31 pm

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Mike D'Antoni on size disparity: "It absolutely means nothing. We didn’t play well enough. We didn’t move the ball."
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2nd part I agree, but umm what the hell with the 1st part? It means nothing? The f*** is that? You get outrebounded by 20, I would bet you lose 9 times out of 10.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:36 pm

The clown has a disconnect with reality when it comes to what type of play and roster it takes to win a championship in the NBA. Didn't move the ball. Blah blah blah. So sick of him but he serves a purpose right here and now in contributing his part to the losses we need.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:01 pm

Weezy wrote:I'm all for firing 'Antoni now and asking Rambis to be interim to finish the season. I don't think it wins us any extra games so it doesn't hurt our pick, but like you say it probably leads to more discipline and maybe playing more the right way, team ball, getting away from his 3-happy system. I think players like 'Antoni a lot, because he lets them do what they want, but I don't know that anyone respects him.


I'd love to see this bozo fired. For me, the sooner the better because that will ensure that I don't have to see him for another whole season. Will it happen? Nope. But I can wish.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby bigdog2013 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:23 pm

I like mike but he needs to go. Him saying getting out rebounded every night is not an issue is crazy.

Let Rambis finish it out and see if he can coach, maybe bring scott from TWS and give him a crack at it.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:54 pm

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Get the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] off this team. Now he's making us looking like a got damn joke. If he's not gone by the end of the season..... :bang: :bang:
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby denimPortugal on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:00 pm

What a cl*wn! Jeez!
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:15 pm

:man10: That reminds me of the time Brown started Metta at the Shooting Guard position. One wanted 'length' the other wants 'floor spacing'. LOL.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby SK8 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:35 pm

I think Mike could be on his way out, or maybe both him and Pau are gone after this season, check out tweets from Dave McMenamin.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby sister golden hair on Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:59 pm

The problems with the lack of rebounding and poor all-around defensive effort in large part grow out of MDA's personnel decisions. He seems to only ever think about the offense, specifically to spread the floor with shooters and (presumably) get more speed out there. He just seems to put blinders on when it comes to evaluating and planning for other aspects o0f a basketball game. His penchant for simply letting the threes fly and giving everyone the green light may work one or two games out of, say, ten, when the team can't miss from three and, on a given night, when the opponent can't find the basket. But it's not a recipe for consistent winning when the shots aren't falling, or when the other team can light it up and can also challenge your shooters, as they will most assuredly do in the play-offs. MDA does not coach a balanced brand of basketball and, what's worse, his green-light-at-all-costs philosophy also ingrains bad habits into his personnel such as shooting too early in the shot clock (when you need to slow the pace), no concern for offensive rebounding position, and no concern for defensive floor spacing for when offense transitions to defense.

It's just bad basketball. Many MDA supporters constantly hammer home the point that MDA IS a good coach because all other teams in the NBA are running his seven-seconds -or-less system. Fact is, Doug Moe and Don Nelson were running the MDA system long before MDA was. MDA was the first guy to go all-in on the three point shot as the core of the offense. Congratulations. I just hope you have a good shooting team that can also rebound well, get back on defense, and slow the other team when the run down your throat the other way. Secnd, I would argue that other coaches have surpassed him, probably because the are better coaches than he is and can adapt to the circumstances at hand. They are not idealogues to the extent that MDA is.

MDA's lack of adjustments on both ends (and this is a criticism made by players, not just disgruntled fans), the myopic focus only on what a team does offensively, and the seeming total disregard for a balanced attack,lack of a premium on rebounding (why start a shrimp on a seven footer? Why concede the backboard to the other team form the get go?) -- these are the hallmarks of a guy with philosophical tunnel vision, his lone innovation (privileging the three-ball) notwithstanding.

His worst sin is insisting on running his brand of ball when the personnel to run it just ain't there. That and his failure to generate on defense the same kind of enthusiasm his players show toward the offense.

If he comes back for yet another season then, if it's not already clear to everyone it will soon be: the FO has so idea of what it is doing. There is already talk of re-tooling the personnel to better fit his system for next season -- again. I find that to be a very strange notion. Should he not instead be adapting his system to the players at hand? MDA has placed himself in the unenviable position of denigrating several players (Pau, Kaman, Hill) which, frankly, I think even some of the best teams in the league could find productive use for.

How many chances is this guy going to get?

Jabbar was on talk radio this morning and he very succinctly pointed out that the FO has made mistakes. He said they were "learning on the job," which, considering that Mitch has been in and around basketball for around fifty years as college player, pro player, as the Logo's understudy, and as the GM of the lakers -- makes me think that Jabbar was very subtly saying that much of the blame falls at the feet of Jim Buss -- who has never been the key figure in decision-making behind the scenes until the end of PJ's last season.

The FO fascination with MDA has never struck me as something that Mitch K. would do if left to his druthers.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby OX1947 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:13 pm

In a strange case of irony, if the Lakers get Wiggins or Embiid in this years draft, the bad decisions would back door the franchise into getting a player that could shape their team for the next decade.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:08 pm

I wasn't able to watch the game tonight, but seriously, Wes on Gasol? Hill played like 6 to 8 mins, Kaman didn't play I see, is he injured or was 'Antoni just using nonsensical lineup changes again for the hell of it?
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:41 pm

Ugh, I can't stand listening to 'Antoni talk, he needs to go at the end of the season

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10523800/mike-dantoni-los-angeles-lakers-fires-back-pau-gasol-keep-house

Mike D'Antoni rebukes Pau Gasol
Updated: February 27, 2014, 12:04 AM ET
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MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- Los Angeles Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni says he was disappointed that Pau Gasol took him to task through the media and also vowed Wednesday to continue to employ a small-ball lineup down the stretch this season.

"The thing I just don't appreciate ... You just keep it in-house," D'Antoni said before the Lakers' 108-103 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies. "It's very easy just to come over and talk about your frustrations. We'll try to work something out. We'll figure something out.

"But to go to (the media) and to do it in the papers, that's disturbing. I just don't think that's the way to go and people should understand that we're all trying to solve the same problem, so let's just put our heads together and do the best we can."

D'Antoni addressed Gasol and the rest of the Lakers' players at the team hotel Wednesday in lieu of a shootaround, with L.A. set to play the second half of a back-to-back following Tuesday's 118-98 loss at Indiana.

It was less of an air-it-out team meeting than a chance to move on from the loss to the Pacers -- a particularly bad loss in a stretch that has seen L.A. drop 26 of its last 32 games -- and prepare for the Grizzlies, according to a team source.

"Nobody wants to see that," said the source when asked about Gasol and D'Antoni exchanging public barbs once again, something that's happened on several occasions since D'Antoni was hired to replace Mike Brown last November. "We're just hoping to finish the season off the right way."

The Lakers have a 19-39 record, placing them last in the Western Conference and all but already eliminated from the playoffs -- 14½ games out of the eighth and final spot with 24 games left to play.

If they maintain their .328 winning percentage, it will be their worst season mark since the franchise moved to L.A. from Minneapolis, edging out the team's 1974-75 season when it went 30-52 (.366).

Gasol downplayed his remarks after putting up 17 points and 10 rebounds against the Grizzlies.

"Yes, there was some frustration, but I don't think it was nothing out of line or nothing that went too far," Gasol said. "I stated something obvious, to me. I don't think I said anything too crazy.

"To me, it wasn't that big of a deal. It was just the emotions and the frustrations of a tough loss and a bad game on our part, I think, for the most part."

D'Antoni said that he understood why Gasol was feeling frustrated but took exception to Gasol's claim that there was a lack of discipline governing the Lakers.

"I have no idea what he's talking about," D'Antoni said. "(Tuesday) night, like (Gasol) said, we should have had more ball movement, but I don't know what that has to do with discipline. It has to do with guys trying too hard, guys not really understanding the system totally and not really getting ingrained into it and so I think in that aspect, I can understand what he's talking about, but I don't know why he used that word."

D'Antoni defended the Lakers' two new players MarShon Brooks and Kent Bazemore, acquired in a trade with Golden State for Steve Blake before last week's trade deadline, and said the pair just needed time to get acclimated to their new surroundings.

"They've had half a practice with us, so obviously we've got to teach them and get them to buy into the system and understand what we want, but they are playing very hard and they are giving everything they've got, especially on defense," said D'Antoni, shrugging off Bazemore and Brooks combining for 29 shots against the Pacers while the other nine Lakers players to get in the game combined to take 61 attempts.

Bazemore and Brooks lowered their shot totals against Memphis, combining to take 15 attempts and scoring 14 points apiece.

Gasol said he didn't mean to single either of them out.

"It wasn't an attack to anyone in particular," Gasol said. "I wasn't blaming MarShon and Kent of anything. I like these guys a lot. They're great guys, they came in, I'm happy that they're getting this opportunity. But that's why from a team standpoint, you have to help them make better decisions.

"I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I was just making my comments and my feelings after the game and a frustrating loss. I think it's pretty human."

Bazemore and Brooks are two of the 12 players on the Lakers' roster whose contracts expire at the end of the season, something D'Antoni acknowledged was a factor in the selfish play.

"Everybody is looking for a contract on the team and when the ball isn't shared, your numbers go down, you're frustrated and then you lash out," D'Antoni said. "The place to do it is in the dressing room among us. We got good guys in there that will listen and try to get better. That's all you try to do and why we open it up (to the media)? That I don't understand."

D'Antoni, known for his spread-the-floor offensive system, said that too much attention was being paid by his players to how his team was scoring rather than how they were struggling on defense.

"The frustration always comes out on the offensive end, where we're OK. It never comes out on the defensive end where we don't stop anybody," D'Antoni said. "That's where I get frustrated, because if you're going to get upset about something, let's get upset about the points in the paint, the second-chance points, not getting back on defense. Then, OK, then we're making progress."

D'Antoni also stood by his decision to keep Wesley Johnson in the starting frontcourt and take a small-ball approach, despite the plus-size lineups that Indiana and Memphis trot out onto the court.

"We want a certain type of basketball and we're trying establish that and we're trying to put everything into it," D'Antoni said. "Clearly, the numbers say that when you spread the floor and move the ball and get up and down the floor, then we have a lot better chance to win. That's what we want to do."

He said he has already seen enough to know that playing Gasol alongside a more traditional big man in Chris Kaman (who missed the Memphis game with a sore back), Robert Sacre or Jordan Hill won't help L.A. in the long run.

"It's frustrating for some players," D'Antoni said. "I understand. Obviously, if you lose playing one way (players think), 'Well, we'll just play the other way.' So, you could get killed the other way. You can't (do that). We go on by numbers, by feel. We want to establish an identity and we don't want to be all over the board every night changing something up and matching up to other teams and just grasping at straws. You don't want to do that."

To add to the Lakers' hard times this road trip, the team had to switch airplanes in Indianapolis late Tuesday night after a deicing vehicle at the airport drove into the wing of the first plane they boarded and delayed them for more than two hours.

"Frustration comes out," D'Antoni said. "I think it's normal. I think going forward we'll have more of it, but I just hope that -- and I think they will -- they'll (say), 'OK, we messed that game up. Let's get to this one and try to do the best we can.' "
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:50 pm

:man10: ^^ What a bunch of garbage. Still an idiot last I checked.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:41 am

Plus this

@mcten: After D'Antoni was peppered w/ Pau questions he told us media: "I have a root canal canal scheduled next week, doesn't seem so bad now"

@mcten: Mike D'Antoni: "We want to establish our identity. This is how we're going to play and we're going to get better at it"


The last quote is why he needs to go. He's basically saying we're going to play small ball, I'm gonna force it down your throat, get used to it. At least most players he's pounding his philosophies and ideas on how basketball should be played won't even be here next season.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby MC on Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:20 am

Weezy wrote:Plus this

@mcten: After D'Antoni was peppered w/ Pau questions he told us media: "I have a root canal canal scheduled next week, doesn't seem so bad now"

@mcten: Mike D'Antoni: "We want to establish our identity. This is how we're going to play and we're going to get better at it"


The last quote is why he needs to go. He's basically saying we're going to play small ball, I'm gonna force it down your throat, get used to it. At least most players he's pounding his philosophies and ideas on how basketball should be played won't even be here next season.


Of course....this was all very predictable if you knew anything about this guy before he got here...........

I'm more disturbed with the people who would buy into his rambling stupidity than the rambler himself.... I expected this from MDA so he hasn't disappointed me in that regard one single bit...... now where do we go from here? not sure...... but one thing is for sure it would not surprise one single bit if MDA is still here next year lol ..... and that has to do with the guy who make that decision and his utter ignorance towards the game of basketball.... him and MDA are a match made in freakn heaven..... they both undervalue the game and are stubborn as billy goats in doing so.....
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:54 am

He's trolling for a while ... even if (very) bad coaches are not unusual in the NBA , I'm not sure you can't be THAT stupid ... either he has been asked to lose as many games as possible or he has been told he won't come back so he's pushing his "b-ball philosophy" over the limits of stupidity .
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby karacha on Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:34 am

Well, I'm sure they had a meeting (MDA and people from the FO) and talked about tanking, potential draft picks etc.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:28 am

karacha wrote:Well, I'm sure they had a meeting (MDA and people from the FO) and talked about tanking, potential draft picks etc.

This. The FO is pulling all of his strings right now. I doubt he has a ton of control of that situation and I think that's probably why he's upset.

Gasol is coming after D'Antoni but I don't think it's D'Antoni's decision to play those guys so many minutes. I think that's coming from Mitch and Jim Buss.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby Helljumper on Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:50 am

"The frustration always comes out on the offensive end, where we're OK. It never comes out on the defensive end where we don't stop anybody," D'Antoni said. "That's where I get frustrated, because if you're going to get upset about something, let's get upset about the points in the paint, the second-chance points, not getting back on defense. Then, OK, then we're making progress."

D'Antoni also stood by his decision to keep Wesley Johnson in the starting frontcourt and take a small-ball approach, despite the plus-size lineups that Indiana and Memphis trot out onto the court.

"We want a certain type of basketball and we're trying establish that and we're trying to put everything into it," D'Antoni said. "Clearly, the numbers say that when you spread the floor and move the ball and get up and down the floor, then we have a lot better chance to win. That's what we want to do."


This guy is freakin' delusional ... and I love it! The season's almost over so there's no point in being subtle about it anymore. The tank is in full gear and we need to pile up as many losses as we can.

And I say no to firing D'antoni right now and letting Rambis take over. We saw what happened last year. We fired an incompetent coach in Mike Brown and that caused the team to rally behind Bickerstaff just because they were excited about the change. We can't have that happening right now. Plus Rambis would actually emphasize the X's and O's of defense instead of just criticizing his players for not getting upset about defense.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby TIME on Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:59 pm

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karacha wrote:Well, I'm sure they had a meeting (MDA and people from the FO) and talked about tanking, potential draft picks etc.

This. The FO is pulling all of his strings right now. I doubt he has a ton of control of that situation and I think that's probably why he's upset.

Gasol is coming after D'Antoni but I don't think it's D'Antoni's decision to play those guys so many minutes. I think that's coming from Mitch and Jim Buss.


I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'll use your post to make my point. Even assuming the FO has ordered tanking (no real need since we suck hard anyway), there is still ZERO excuse for D'Antoni to lose control of his team, fail to establish clear roles, fail to communicate with his players to get them to practice solid team concepts, etc. He is a joke of a leader. Then he sits there and blathers in the post game interviews as if he had a clue when he clearly has none.

I did not think it was possible for any NBA coach to be so bad that I would prefer Mike Brown. Go figure.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:28 pm

TIME wrote:
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karacha wrote:Well, I'm sure they had a meeting (MDA and people from the FO) and talked about tanking, potential draft picks etc.

This. The FO is pulling all of his strings right now. I doubt he has a ton of control of that situation and I think that's probably why he's upset.

Gasol is coming after D'Antoni but I don't think it's D'Antoni's decision to play those guys so many minutes. I think that's coming from Mitch and Jim Buss.


I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'll use your post to make my point. Even assuming the FO has ordered tanking (no real need since we suck hard anyway), there is still ZERO excuse for D'Antoni to lose control of his team, fail to establish clear roles, fail to communicate with his players to get them to practice solid team concepts, etc. He is a joke of a leader. Then he sits there and blathers in the post game interviews as if he had a clue when he clearly has none.

I did not think it was possible for any NBA coach to be so bad that I would prefer Mike Brown. Go figure.

I'm not forgiving him for any of those things though. I'm just saying as far as this one situation (minute regulation between the players we have) goes, I don't think he has much say.

You're right everything else is his fault. The players don't respect him, he can't get them buy in, etc etc etc. I don't know.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni Discussion: "I was an idiot..." (155)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:45 am

Nobody is saying MDA isn't a joke of a coach ... but with the season thrown away from some time AND so many guys playing for their next contract , good luck to keep this team together .

The whole organization is in a transition period and has little clue about the future direction to take ... the mess on the floor is the direct result of the current mess within the FO
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