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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:25 am

Repeater tax or not, we aren't keeping 19 million for our 6th man.

Pau is gone this summer if Dwight stays.
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Postby TIME on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:27 am

therealdeal wrote:Repeater tax or not, we aren't keeping 19 million for our 6th man.

Pau is gone this summer if Dwight stays.

Probably gone five minutes after Dwight signs an extension, but not until.
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Postby last stand on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:30 am

I really hate the fact that pau is likely to be traded for flexible contract role players. I will always hope that pau for rondo deal wasn't real
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Postby Aonex on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:39 am

I get that Pau is expensive, but after this year, there'll be only one year left on his contract. So couldn't we just as easily bite the bullet for one year with his huge contract then re-sign him for cheap at the end of next year? I'm assuming he's willing to give L.A. a discount since he's said numerous times he loves L.A. and identifies himself with the Lakers.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:43 am

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RT @arashmarkazi: Kupchak tells @ESPN_Colin that Kobe and Dwight's relationship is a "work in progress."


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RT @arashmarkazi: Kupchak said he has gotten calls from GMs even this morning on Dwight Howard but he will not be trading Howard.


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RT @arashmarkazi: Kupchak said the Lakers have two year window, this year and next year, "and a lot of that has to do with Kobe."
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:44 am

^ No because his contract is one of the only pieces we have to improve the team.

If he really wants to come back to be a backup Center to Dwight, he's more than able to come back for our mini-MLE in 2014. Heck maybe even full MLE.

But he's better than that and he deserves more. He just won't get that shot here.
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Postby Chillbongo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:50 am

Not only that, but $19M in the new CBA is basically LeBron/CP3/Durant money.

I would LOVE for us to figure out a way to get him back for around the MLE....and still gain cap relief.

Who knows, if we get a better coach maybe there is a way to effectively use both Dwight & Pau -- Phil seems to think it's possible.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:52 am

karacha wrote:They will commit to Dwight. And once you see a healthier Dwight on his new contract, most of you are going to be happier with his performance too. This season is pretty much wasted anyway. Minor changes in the offseason, wait for Summer 2014, then build a new, young and hungry team around Dwight. Sign another star and a bunch of quality role-players who can shoot. Mitch knows all this.

I am not worried about D12 in the least. MDA might be a different story. I don't think he's a bad coach actually. At least he is more flexible then Brown and gets more out of his bench guys. But I'm not convinced he is the right choice for Dwight... maybe if we get a quick PG and a bunch of athletic shooters and cutters.


Agreed. D'Antoni isn't a bad coach; he's just not the right fit. Even if we catered to D'Antoni's expectations and got a roster that he desired, I have serious doubt it would be a championship caliber basketball team. Additionally, he doesn't know how to use Dwight. After watching the Flex offense & the Triangle, Dwight would be best served in an offense that can take advantage of his talent; Phil even acknowledged this in the interview he did.

WTS, Dwight will resign, but the FO better be prepared to hire another coach and eat another salary, IMO. We need to go in another direction, period...
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:00 pm

If Phil wanted to coach again, I'd say go with him but I just don't think that's in the cards. He said it himself in the same recent interview: he doesn't want to coach anymore.

I think LA has kind of severed ties with Shaw, but he would have been a next good choice. Young, a disciple of Phil... I think he could have made this thing work. Maybe this summer, but I doubt it.

The Lakers are generally loyal to their hired employees and they'll try to give them a fair shake. D'Antoni, despite his obvious deficiencies HAS had about as tough a start as can be seen. He'll be given a shot again this summer.
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Postby Chillbongo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:18 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:WTS, Dwight will resign, but the FO better be prepared to hire another coach and eat another salary, IMO. We need to go in another direction, period...

Comin' from pops himself :jam2:

I'm still on the fence with Dwight....but all the Dwight huggers here are at least making me consider keeping him as a Laker.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:40 pm

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dwighthowardsdad wrote:WTS, Dwight will resign, but the FO better be prepared to hire another coach and eat another salary, IMO. We need to go in another direction, period...

Comin' from pops himself :jam2:

I'm still on the fence with Dwight....but all the Dwight huggers here are at least making me consider keeping him as a Laker.


Who else is out there besides Dwight, though? You have Lebron, right? He's not coming to L.A. He'll stay with Pat Riley out in South Beach, IMO. Dwight is the only viable option we have right now post-Kobe. Now, if he decides to leave, we can re-tool, we'll just have to endure seasons of being mediocre & don't we know firsthand how Lakers fans have reacted this year to a season of disappointment & mediocrity.

So, Dwight can leave on his own and we can rebuild without him which would take longer or he can re-sign, we can stay competitive, and lessen the blow of Kobe leaving without no alternative. Of course, Dwight can leave either way, and we'll still be in a precarious situation. I just don't think that happens with a $30 million incentive & a lifetime Adidas contract waiting in the wings...
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Postby Chillbongo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:58 pm

It's not that there is someone better immediately available, I just don't know if the effort, production, and consistency I have seen this year is worth a max contract.

While his health is a major issue, I wouldn't risk a 5 year/$120M deal on the HOPE that he might be healthy. That's more than 1/3 of our entire cap for the next 5 years. And we still Have Nash on board until 2015. So that's about half our cap on two guys....without any role players or another star to go with Dwight.

Dwight's shortcomings as a player are one thing....I was willing to let them slide when I IMMEDIATELY noticed them in the first month of the season. But we signed him for his defense and athleticism....things based mostly on effort and he has been less than stellar thus far.

If we could get K-Love for Dwight, and some pieces/picks.....I'd look at it. Pau & K-Love could be effective down low although defensively void. But it's not like we haven't been void this season.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:02 pm

Chillbongo wrote:It's not that there is someone better immediately available, I just don't know if the effort, production, and consistency I have seen this year is worth a max contract.

While his health is a major issue, I wouldn't risk a 5 year/$120M deal on the HOPE that he might be healthy. That's more than 1/3 of our entire cap for the next 5 years. And we still Have Nash on board until 2015. So that's about half our cap on two guys....without any role players or another star to go with Dwight.

Dwight's shortcomings as a player are one thing....I was willing to let them slide when I IMMEDIATELY noticed them in the first month of the season. But we signed him for his defense and athleticism....things based mostly on effort and he has been less than stellar thus far.

If we could get K-Love for Dwight, and some pieces/picks.....I'd look at it. Pau & K-Love could be effective down low although defensively void. But it's not like we haven't been void this season.


Lopez got a max coming off a season with multiple leg injuries just saying, understand your point but thats now the NBA works.
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Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:11 pm

That's how the NBA DID work, players like that won't be getting as much going forward IMO, not with the cap what it is. I would say the Nets might regret giving him max $, but then they are winning so probably not. He also one of the best centers in the NBA, though that's mainly due to the center position being so weak.
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Postby Chillbongo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:15 pm

Yeah I get it. That's why I said I don't know if it's worth a max contract for us. I'm sure he'll earn one...but does that mean he should be a shoe-in for us? Does that mean both he and Lopez will make the kind of impact that justifies those contracts?

FYI...Lopez actually has a post game, scores more points, gets the same number of blocks, and also HITS FT's at a 75% clip....almost 20% higher than Dwight. FYI
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Postby khmrP on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:24 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Yeah I get it. That's why I said I don't know if it's worth a max contract for us. I'm sure he'll earn one...but does that mean he should be a shoe-in for us? Does that mean both he and Lopez will make the kind of impact that justifies those contracts?

FYI...Lopez actually has a post game, scores more points, gets the same number of blocks, and also HITS FT's at a 75% clip....almost 20% higher than Dwight. FYI


and he also missed large chunks of games in 2 consective seasons.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Weezy wrote:That's how the NBA DID work, players like that won't be getting as much going forward IMO, not with the cap what it is. I would say the Nets might regret giving him max $, but then they are winning so probably not. He also one of the best centers in the NBA, though that's mainly due to the center position being so weak.


I can confidently say Bynum would still get his max deal if he can muster enough to play 10+games this season and can at least produce/avg. a double double.
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Postby thebluemamba14 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:26 pm

“We’ll continue to be on the phones and make calls, take calls and listen. But I don’t anticipate anything dramatic taking place in the next two days.”


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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:27 pm

Chillbongo wrote:It's not that there is someone better immediately available, I just don't know if the effort, production, and consistency I have seen this year is worth a max contract.

While his health is a major issue, I wouldn't risk a 5 year/$120M deal on the HOPE that he might be healthy. That's more than 1/3 of our entire cap for the next 5 years. And we still Have Nash on board until 2015. So that's about half our cap on two guys....without any role players or another star to go with Dwight.

Dwight's shortcomings as a player are one thing....I was willing to let them slide when I IMMEDIATELY noticed them in the first month of the season. But we signed him for his defense and athleticism....things based mostly on effort and he has been less than stellar thus far.

If we could get K-Love for Dwight, and some pieces/picks.....I'd look at it. Pau & K-Love could be effective down low although defensively void. But it's not like we haven't been void this season.


I understand what you're saying. Dwight wasn't suppose to come back until January. The doctor that performed the surgery on Dwight said he'll make a full recovery. All the side effects that he may be feeling are normal when recovering from back surgery. WTS, will he become the physical freak we seen in Orlando? Probably not but he won't be no slouch. He'll get most of it back, IMO.

Is he worth the max contract at this point? I think so. This era for the center position is the weakest it's every been, IMO. Dwight, when healthy, is the best center in the league and can still be a very valuable piece on a championship team. Now, IMO, it would be unfair to him to judge him this year. We need to wait give him the summer to get his core strength and come back 100%.

Now, check this out; he's averaging about 17 and 12 and 2 blocks. I just rounded it off; Now, if we sign him and this his is peak, we can always look to trade him. Even signed to a max contract, there will always be potential suitors for Dwight. So, if it doesn't work, and he's signed long-term, he can still be moved, IMO. We did it with Shaq. We'll do it with Dwight. There's always options.
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Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:30 pm

khmrP wrote:
Weezy wrote:That's how the NBA DID work, players like that won't be getting as much going forward IMO, not with the cap what it is. I would say the Nets might regret giving him max $, but then they are winning so probably not. He also one of the best centers in the NBA, though that's mainly due to the center position being so weak.


I can confidently say Bynum would still get his max deal if he can muster enough to play 10+games this season and can at least produce/avg. a double double.


Well again, when healthy he's one of the best 2 or 3 centers in a league with few real centers so I get it. He's better than Lopez when healthy if you ask me. Lopez can score and shoot, but his 7 rpg is pathetic. I still think teams will regret giving the max to guys like Lopez and Bynum going forward when the cap is so low though.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:35 pm

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Postby LakerFanIam on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:39 pm

The most telling part of the interview was when Colin Cowherd asked Mitch to describe Kobe & Dwight's relationship....... There was literally a :15 to :20 silence from Mitch. Colin actually thought they got disconnected... Mitch then went on to say that it was "a work in progress"... Not very reassuring IMO.
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Postby karacha on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:50 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:You have an awesome confidence. Nothing you've seen in this unholy disaster of a year gives you ANY pause as to Dwight?

Lets say he DOES come back next year and returns to 100%, and we get the shooters that we want. Should we look forward to the type championship runs that Dwight enjoyed during his time in Orlando?

I'm not 100% down on Dwight, but I really dont see how anyone can be 100% confident in him either.


I''ll be honest with you: I do have some concerns, but I prefer to stay optimistic. I guess I'm not a negative person in general. I am pretty sure he will be better next year. He has lost muscle mass.... he has lost explosion. That much is obvious. Will he get to 100%? Maybe not. But he will get better, and Dwight @ 90% of his athleticism, who is healthy is still better then any big man in the league. Defensively, he is great even now, and offensively he won't lose the ball as much and should be able to finish with more confidence.

Is he a winner? No. Is he a champion? No. That's all true. But one has to start somewhere. I always say you have to lose first in order to win later. But he needs to be surrounded with the right players. We need youth, speed, athleticism, shooting. Right now, we have... well... I guess we have Clark, Hill when he is healthy, Meeks who can be useful off the bench, especially when he gets hot, and... yeah. (Are Durant, Love, Irving winners? No, they are not. But I would still like to have them on my team.)

What we do need is a star PG or PF who can penetrate and/or shoot, and a bunch of quick guys -- some shooters, some defensive specialists and hustlers. Add 2 cheap veterans for those key moments in the playoffs.
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:56 pm

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Postby Chillbongo on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:01 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Now, check this out; he's averaging about 17 and 12 and 2 blocks. I just rounded it off; Now, if we sign him and this his is peak, we can always look to trade him. Even signed to a max contract, there will always be potential suitors for Dwight. So, if it doesn't work, and he's signed long-term, he can still be moved, IMO. We did it with Shaq. We'll do it with Dwight. There's always options.

You know, I do agree with your post for the most part. But here's my concern.

Let's say he doesn't become the player that he was in ORL, or even get most of it back. Or continues to have injury issues (all plausible, btw)...we signed him for a max contract based on his potential. If he doesn't live up to that potential or even 75% of it, his value declines greatly....and at that hypothetical point, we could look to trade him as you said, but would get much less in return.

How many teams are going to want to take on that Dwight's 3-4 years @ $60-80M? If we could trade him RIGHT now for a guy like K-Love (after medical clearance from our doctors), pieces and picks...pair him with Gasol for next year and then retool in 2014 with really only Nash on our books...that helps us compete now and later.

I understand your point with Shaq, but you don't really believe they were on the same level right? Shaq dominated. Absolutely dominated...even after toe injury and all. He still was a BEAST...still had more post-game than Dwight, was an anchor, and a great passer. He came motivated to win, and wasn't as mentally fragile. That's why we could do it with Shaq. And even STILL we got LO/Caron/Grant and some other pieces. Grant was a bust...Caron was underdeveloped....and LO was really the only solid return. But for Shaq? The MDE?
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