Mitch : 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump salary

Mitch : 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump salary

Postby emplay on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:26 am

Hey all,

This one is worth a look, Mitch’s stance on dumping salary without a true basketball purpose. And the reality is, Lakers are unlikely to pay repeater tax for the next 5 seasons.

Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump salary
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 6362.story

Also, from today’s print Los Angeles Times (co-written with Mike Bresnahan)

Pau Gasol remains a Laker as Mitch Kupchak mulls team's future
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... 6788.story

At Basketball Insiders:

Trade Deadline: Grading The Trades
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/trade ... he-trades/

Thanks!

Eric
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby angrypuppy on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:35 am

I guess he didn't notice the Blake trade.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:56 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we on the phone with Philly for Kaman?

Philly just waived Clark's 4.25M contract (with the 2014/15 portion of his 2 year deal being unguaranteed). Philly also trade Allen and Turner (both restricted FAs this summer) for an expiring Granger contract.

Seeing how we have Pau as an expiring not so different than Granger's expiring, other than some 5M (19.3 vs 14.1), it would seem that if we were on the phone with Philly, that basketball related move would have brought back some assets in the form of Turner, Allen and Clark.

All three essentially become FAs this summer, but since Allen and Turner are restricted, that gives us some favorable S&T possibilities. If we're waiting on 2015's free agent class, then we simply extend qualifying offers to both those guys and they would become unrestricted FAs next summer.

But, I guess Mitch finds it unacceptable to dump Pau's salary onto Philly in that scenario. Also, another thing to note, Philly needed to add salary due to a cap minimum mandate. Pau's expiring would be no different than Granger's expiring, since both appear not to be future options for Philly past this season. Also Philly has the added benefit of trading with a team that isn't in their conference like the Pacers are.

I got love for Mitch, but please for the love of god, stop delivering propaganda to the Laker fan base. We know that you were trying to dump salary and whiffed on the opportunity. So instead of damage control in the form of "unacceptable" salary dumps, why not just state that we tried to do some things and they didn't work out in your favor.

BTW, thanks for the informative articles, Mr. Pincus.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:12 pm

^^^ so I guess you guys would've been fine if we sent off Kaman and Hill for the same garbage we got for Blake?
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:15 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we on the phone with Philly for Kaman?

Philly has 9 2nd round picks right now. I'm guessing they would have given up one for Kaman.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:17 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we on the phone with Philly for Kaman?

Philly has 9 2nd round picks right now. I'm guessing they would have given up one for Kaman.


I doubt that, Philly was the one collecting picks. Even in the turner/allen trade with Indy they got another 2nd pick. They didnt give up picks in any of their trades. Even BK wanted a 2nd pick from us to take on Hill according to some reports.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:18 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:I got love for Mitch, but please for the love of god, stop delivering propaganda to the Laker fan base. We know that you were trying to dump salary and whiffed on the opportunity. So instead of damage control in the form of "unacceptable" salary dumps, why not just state that we tried to do some things and they didn't work out in your favor.


I think it's blatantly obvious that they swung and missed big time…. Mitch's efforts to actually interact with the media is evidence enough for me to see that the "damage control" switch was flipped yesterday afternoon…..
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:27 pm

khmrP wrote:^^^ so I guess you guys would've been fine if we sent off Kaman and Hill for the same garbage we got for Blake?


Not exactly...I'm saying they fed us Bird Right's and how its unacceptable to salary dump instead of making basketball operated moves....

Well, we clearly were on the phone with Philly and they could have made a basketball operated move, but chose not to. Why? Who really knows what the FO is thinking these days.

But that Blake deal was a salary dump and they guised it as more PT for Farmar and Marshall. Funny thing about that is that MDA used Blake alot at the 2, so essentially we traded a combo guard for 2 combo guards...and how exactly does that open up PT for our guard rotation?

Basically, I got ish with the FO trying to feed us drivel as if we're stupid. They did it with the MDA hire, the Kobe extension and now this.

My guess, they wanted to dump salary but get picks/assets in the process and their hardball approach backfired. There was no plan B of basketball operated moves....unless it was of the homerun variety.
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Mitch Kupchak Trade Deadline Press Conference (Video)

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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:52 pm

Basketball operated moves….. Sounds like Stern…...
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:11 pm

Mitch is absolutely right. What Indy did with Granger was a pure salary dump. Made no sense from a basketball standpoint.

If we put Pau into that trade we would have just been dumping salary.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby khmrP on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:31 pm

I agree with sentiment here that mgmt. tried to play hard ball and missed but I'd rather have them do that then complete cave in like Philly's GM who gave away a semi useful player for basically a 2nd pick and the ability to waste money on Granger on a buy out. IF Mitch/Co caved in and gave Pau to Pho for Okafor and a 2nd pick like how Indy did with Granger, most of you guys here would've asked for Mitch head on a platter.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:41 pm

No I wouldn't. After reading Mitch wants to re-sign Pau, we could have gave him away and I wouldn't care. We've lost out on 3 years worth of Pau's trade, I'd be mad at that, not them finally doing what they should have done awhile ago. He needs to go and if a 2nd round pick saves us from signing him for the next 3 years, I'll take it.

And on the flip side, if Mitch got Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Pau, Mitch would be praised. As he should. But he didn't, so he gets what he has coming to him for that.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:44 pm

khmrP wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we on the phone with Philly for Kaman?

Philly has 9 2nd round picks right now. I'm guessing they would have given up one for Kaman.


I doubt that, Philly was the one collecting picks. Even in the turner/allen trade with Indy they got another 2nd pick. They didnt give up picks in any of their trades. Even BK wanted a 2nd pick from us to take on Hill according to some reports.

Maybe, but they wanted a deal at the deadline to make their salary situation work. This was probably the deal on the table (and why it might not have worked)- Kaman for one of their 2nd round picks.

Instead they went a different direction.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:42 pm

khmrP wrote:^^^ so I guess you guys would've been fine if we sent off Kaman and Hill for the same garbage we got for Blake?


Define "garbage" in relative terms...... They both walk at the end of the year.... second round picks are a massive crap shoot but my calculator says .0000005% of a chance is still better than nothing.....

The crap out of Mitch's mouth is pure propaganda. There is no intention to sign Kaman or Hill...... neither like it here at all ..... and why would they? So if not at the deadline then we get nothing. Call it a "salary dump" and I guess you can fool the fan base..... "that's a bad thing.... so good we didn't do it" It will be forgotten in July when they sign with their new teams.....
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby karacha on Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:59 pm

I agree with Roo here. I was hoping for something better, but a 2nd round pick might turn out to be a good to very good player sometimes. In the worst case, going to the D-league, no harm done. Right now, we'll let these guys walk for nothing. I'd rather have a pick in the new NBA. Any pick. This is why I like the Blake trade. We did not want to re-sign him. We got two young, very athletic players instead (and saved money). Do I believe they are going to be very useful? Honestly, no... but if we give them a chance, they might - just might - develop into bench contributor(s). Or at least one of them might. We traded Blake for two "lottery tickets", and we might get lucky in the process.

I mean, Kelly is never going to be a star, but he is a smart, tall player who works hard and can be useful. In his first year, after coming back from a broken foot, he's a 7/4 player who can (and probably will) improve his 3pt% to almost 40% in the offseason... He's was picked 48th.

This business with Kaman & Hill was a mistake.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:10 pm

karacha wrote:I agree with Roo here. I was hoping for something better, but a 2nd round pick might turn out to be a good to very good player sometimes. In the worst case, going to the D-league, no harm done. Right now, we'll let these guys walk for nothing. I'd rather have a pick in the new NBA. Any pick. This is why I like the Blake trade. We did not want to re-sign him. We got two young, very athletic players instead (and saved money). Do I believe they are going to be very useful? Honestly, no... but if we give them a chance, they might - just might - develop into bench contributor(s). Or at least one of them might. We traded Blake for two "lottery tickets", and we might get lucky in the process.

I mean, Kelly is never going to be a star, but he is a smart, tall player who works hard and can be useful. In his first year, after coming back from a broken foot, he's a 7/4 player who can (and probably will) improve his 3pt% to almost 40% in the offseason... He's was picked 48th.

This business with Kaman & Hill was a mistake.

Boom nailed it.

Also not moving Pau this summer/season if they were offered ANY picks at any point... although I doubt it now that we know a little more information. If they had a chance at moving Hill or Kaman for picks they should have done that as well.

I doubt though that anyone offered us picks. They assumed the Lakers would cave to save money, but we held our ground. Going forward teams will know that if they want one of our guys they should just give us a 2nd round pick. Good move? Bad move? Hard to say. But I like that we're sticking to our guns for now.
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Postby karacha on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:14 pm

Well, in any case, we'll have to renounce those bird rights pronto. See who the targets are, move in quickly, sign them... and we'll still end up with Gasol coming back cheap. :man10: :man10:

Seeing him back in the Lakers uniform would not surprise me anymore. You just can't get rid of him.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:21 pm

karacha wrote:Well, in any case, we'll have to renounce those bird rights pronto. See who the targets are, move in quickly, sign them... and we'll still end up with Gasol coming back cheap. :man10: :man10:

Seeing him back in the Lakers uniform would not surprise me anymore. You just can't get rid of him.

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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:25 pm

I'm going to sound like John Ireland; a Lakers apologist, but I'll believe Mitch...call me naive. Realistically, this rebuild will take awhile...I am prepared for it.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby sister golden hair on Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:19 pm

The landscape of the NBA has changed. The rules were tweaked in midstream and the Lakers were, perhaps more than any other team, damaged by the changes. But the FO seems to be moving forward thinking that the old ways of team building are still in play. I think they are wrong. And I don't think one can believe a single public utterance from Mitch's mouth these days. They lost all credibility when they tried to spin the D12 debacle (allowing him to get away with the team netting nothing) as somehow a calculated move. Come on. They blew it. The fact that they cling to fantasies and double-down on the Likes of MDA is very, very worrisome.
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby lotus on Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:15 pm

So who is to blame, Mitch or jimmy? Or is it assumed Mitch is jimmy? Because this thread is blasting Mitch.
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:13 pm

lukewaltonsdad wrote:I'm going to sound like John Ireland; a Lakers apologist, but I'll believe Mitch...call me naive. Realistically, this rebuild will take awhile...I am prepared for it.

Ireland said today that he thinks they kept Gasol because Phil is coming back. Max and Marcellus flipped him a lot of ish for that statement.
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Re: Mitch : 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump salary

Postby noobiew on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:28 pm

Typical from Mitch LOL, I am sure if there were buyers that willing to give us a 2nd round pick for Hill or Kaman, or a 1st round pick for Pau prior to the trade deadline they would be gone by now. In the end of the day, business is still business .
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Re: Mitch Kupchak: 'Unacceptable' for Lakers to simply dump sala

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:24 pm

karacha wrote:I agree with Roo here.


First Slurpee..... now this?

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