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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Punk-101 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:59 am

I'm pretty sure i remember him saying, "in my prime, my defense WAS amazing", not "is".
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:18 pm

Pig Miller wrote:love this guy's personality, flat out entertaining. i know he needs to be amnestied, but his character will definitely be missed. it was always nice knowing i never had to question his effort on the court.

Well said. I want him out too, but will never forget what he gave us each and every night which was his best effort. I also will never forget the huge shot and his huge overall game he gave his against the C's in that Game 7.

But as many have said, its time to move on
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:22 pm

Some of my favorite quotes or things Ron said yesterday while on 710ESPN:

On Phil and Kobe's relationship:

- Phil knows how to get under everyone's skin including Kobe. There was a game where Kobe was shooting too much, and Phil tells him "don't shoot too much", but Kobe still did. So then (next day) during film session, Phil played a clip of nothing but Kobe shooting the ball for the entire game and shows it to the whole team. It's funny, it gets Kobe irritated, but then he plays better the next game. They have great mental battles.
Cool story, but not surprising :man10:

On difference living in Houston and Los Angeles:

- Houston the city it's not bad, but after coming here to L.A., I'd probably rather live in Skid Row than in Houston.
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On being potentially Amnestied:

- It's not a bad thing, it's like being on a paid vacation.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JLaker17 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:44 pm

I like Metta, but we really need to get better at the SF position.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby The Rock on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:16 pm

Cant' he just opt out and come back for like $3 mil a year for 3 more years. Backup SF/PF ala Battier. WIn/win for both sides...sorta
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:24 pm

The Rock wrote:Cant' he just opt out and come back for like $3 mil a year for 3 more years. Backup SF/PF ala Battier. WIn/win for both sides...sorta

$3 million...okay, 3 more years....NO THANKS
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby XXIV on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:49 pm

I love Metta's fire and passion but he's not worth $7 million or really anything near that amount. We need to get better shooters and players that can push the ball, neither which MWP provides.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Center Court on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:35 am

would people be opposed to him as a backup at PF and spot mins at SF?

D12//Hill
Pau/Clark/MWP

He really wouldn't be getting too many mins at all, but I think he brings a lot to this team in terms of voice and "leadership".

I guess he's probably not worth keeping on at that value but if he restructured his contract, I like that big rotation. He's shown good post defense and at the 4 and he can definitely hold his own in paint battles.

From there, I'd sign some combination of Morrow, Captain Jack, Delfino, Garcia, Wright to handle the reigns of SF/back SF and mins at 2.

Maybe we can send Blake/Duhon to Washington for Ariza and then sign a PG with the mMLE.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:05 pm

Metta World Peace to defer to agent on player option
Metta World Peace sounded chatty and in a relaxed mood, the product of his surgically repaired left knee healing, promoting a children's book and feeling refreshed from an otherwise disappointing season.

Even with uncertainty lingering in the air about his Lakers future, World Peace has avoided worrying about it by doing one thing. He has and will continue to defer to his agent, Marc Cornstein, on whether or not he should exercise or opt out of his $7.7 million player option.

"I don't want to think off emotions. I hired my agent for a reason so I'll let him and the Lakers do their job to try to keep me a Laker for long term," World Peace said Tuesday in a phone interview with this newspaper. "Rather than stress myself out and worry about what's going on for the Lakers, I'll let them do their job. Then they can get back to me."


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Please just decline the option. And please use the amnesty if he exercises it.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:15 pm

^Agreed completely. He'll probably decide to exercise his option then get amnestied afterwards, IMO. I think what he should do is try to restructure his deal if he wants to stay in Los Angeles, but i just don't see that happening.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby khmrP on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:52 pm

he's not gona opt out....loyalty only means so much, I mean would your rather make nearly $8mill/yr or have to do it over 2-3yrs? I'd take the former all day long and not to mention the fact you still might get a couple million more if you get amenstied and sign another contract elsewhere.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JSM on Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:59 pm

Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:“Whatever the Lakers and my agent feel best, that’s what I’m going to do,” World Peace said. “It’s not about me. I’m not making the decision based on me. I’ll let the Lakers and my agent make the decision for me.”

Sounds like he could be open to returning for a cheaper contract.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby revgen on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:33 pm

JSM wrote:
Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:“Whatever the Lakers and my agent feel best, that’s what I’m going to do,” World Peace said. “It’s not about me. I’m not making the decision based on me. I’ll let the Lakers and my agent make the decision for me.”

Sounds like he could be open to returning for a cheaper contract.


That can only happen if he isn't picked up via waivers.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:07 pm

revgen wrote:
JSM wrote:
Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:“Whatever the Lakers and my agent feel best, that’s what I’m going to do,” World Peace said. “It’s not about me. I’m not making the decision based on me. I’ll let the Lakers and my agent make the decision for me.”

Sounds like he could be open to returning for a cheaper contract.


That can only happen if he isn't picked up via waivers.

Don't teams have to wait 1 year before they can bring back a player that was amnestied? I believe that's the rule. If that's the case, Ron lost his only chance at coming back by not opting out.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby revgen on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:21 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
revgen wrote:
JSM wrote:
Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:“Whatever the Lakers and my agent feel best, that’s what I’m going to do,” World Peace said. “It’s not about me. I’m not making the decision based on me. I’ll let the Lakers and my agent make the decision for me.”

Sounds like he could be open to returning for a cheaper contract.


That can only happen if he isn't picked up via waivers.

Don't teams have to wait 1 year before they can bring back a player that was amnestied? I believe that's the rule. If that's the case, Ron lost his only chance at coming back by not opting out.


No. For an amnesty, it's the entire length of the contract. Which in this case happens to be 1 year since that's all that's left on his current deal.

That's why a buyout is the only way he could return here. But a buyout still involves a waiver process. Ron's contract cannot be picked up by other teams if it's going to work.

But at his salary, and his declining age, I doubt any team is going to grab him if we do the buyout since they have to take the full contract. On an amnesty, a team can attempt to pay Ron part of his contract, but not the whole thing. The Lakers have to pay the other part of the contract that the claiming team doesn't pay for.

So if Ron wants to be here next season, a buyout makes sense both for him and the Lakers.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:27 pm

Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby revgen on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:28 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:24 pm

revgen wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.


What difference does it make? We're not getting under the cap this year so having his money come off the books to save 2 or 3 million doesn't make a lot of sense. It won't help us sign anyone.

He may have value as an expiring contract however ..... If he could bring back a serviceable player and two second round picks that's more value in the end than him chopping a couple million off his deal.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:40 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.


What difference does it make? We're not getting under the cap this year so having his money come off the books to save 2 or 3 million doesn't make a lot of sense. It won't help us sign anyone.

He may have value as an expiring contract however ..... If he could bring back a serviceable player and two second round picks that's more value in the end than him chopping a couple million off his deal.

I assume the difference is we pay tax on a cheaper 2-3 mill contract rather than a 7 mill contact.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Dratini927 on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:58 pm

On a lighter side...



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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:30 pm

D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.


What difference does it make? We're not getting under the cap this year so having his money come off the books to save 2 or 3 million doesn't make a lot of sense. It won't help us sign anyone.

He may have value as an expiring contract however ..... If he could bring back a serviceable player and two second round picks that's more value in the end than him chopping a couple million off his deal.

I assume the difference is we pay tax on a cheaper 2-3 mill contract rather than a 7 mill contact.


That helps the owner"s bottom line but does nothing about the team on the floor. Even Amnesty does nothing to better the roster.

Dumping him to a contender whomcould use him for a couple second rounders and some magic beans actually gives us something in return.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:31 am

^^^ That's assuming the Lakers actually see the picks as anything more than drafting some random Euro with no chance of coming over to the League.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:39 am

Doc Brown wrote:^^^ That's assuming the Lakers actually see the picks as anything more than drafting some random Euro with no chance of coming over to the League.


Last time we did that we gave Memphis a "toss-in" DPOY.....

If we are dinking around with MWP's contract status either by amnesty or by trying to re-sign him for a lower amount it's shows that the "brian trust" isn't focusing on the team on the floor but their pocket book.

Getting a couple picks for him and maybe a serviceable player moves us forward even a little.... keeping him here for any reason is just prolonging the inevitable or showing that we are going to toss away next season while we wait for the 2014 plan..... which will become the 2015 plan.... which will...
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby revgen on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:46 am

I don't see Ron netting us anything valuable in a trade. First, he's older and coming off knee surgery. He's also a "linebacker" SF. Most teams want athletic run and gun SF's these days.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:48 am

An expiring contract is valuable yes, but Metta World Peace isn't. I don't know that there's many takers on that expiring because of who he is and what he represents in the sport: turmoil.

If they amnesty him then I would be convinced that they couldn't get anything in return for him.
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