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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby kobe_008 on Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:06 pm

Props to RON
just don't know why people include Kobe in Ron's Thread
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Punk-101 on Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:07 pm

Novak got ktfo, lmao!
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby odom1year on Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:33 pm

MWP is really impressed as a bench. Looks like MDA doing a great rotation.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby 432J on Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:28 pm

ron is the man right now. just some outstanding games by him lately, if it wasn't for him who knows where this team would be.

i just love how he gives it 110% every game and nothing less. so glad we have him
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:53 pm

MWP is our MVP right now. For real.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby 432J on Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:58 pm

Lakerjones wrote:MWP is our MVP right now. For real.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Forward Three on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:03 pm

He's having a great season and I really like his slide to the bench where he fits perfectly into the 6th man pocket, it's very much like when Lamar moved to the bench but still played comparable minutes to a starter regularly and was still utilized in important situations. Metta is taking to the role perfectly. I'm also loving his three point shooting. I've often griped about Mario Chalmers that while he isn't historically great three point shooter overall, Chalmers seems to hit 3s literally at the most vital and crucial times. Metta has been similar for us, though it doesn't always show when it's against a large deficit anyway, but it just feels like almost every 3 he hits is a huge sigh of relief.

He shut Carmelo down so hard for the first half, and while Melo got white hot in the 3rd quarter, it's still awesome to know that Metta can and will still lock down premier scorers.

But I think the best thing is that he just looks so much better running the floor than he has since joining this team. Before he'd give you some good minutes but he was just sort of comical to watch at times, but now he's looking like a serious basketball player again, and reminding us that yes, he has been a 40% three point shooter before, yes he has been a 20+ ppg scorer before, yes he's been DPOY...etc.

The more this team starts to pull together and solve the (let's face it) kind of long list of issues they've had this year, the more seeing this type of play from Metta will really pay off.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby jbiggs on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:11 pm

all i can say is that rons performance this season is a perfect example of how good a player can play when healthy as opposed to being limited due to an injury like last year.

i think this parallels similarly with dwight and his recovery from injury, and altho he will get better as the season progresses i dont believe we will see the true dwight from orl until next season just like it seemed to take ron the off season to get his mojo back
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby solenstyle on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:25 pm

I love Metta.

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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Finwë on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:35 am

jbiggs wrote:all i can say is that rons performance this season is a perfect example of how good a player can play when healthy as opposed to being limited due to an injury like last year.

i think this parallels similarly with dwight and his recovery from injury, and altho he will get better as the season progresses i dont believe we will see the true dwight from orl until next season just like it seemed to take ron the off season to get his mojo back

It's also a great example of how much of a difference playing with intensity and tenacity makes.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:54 am

Ariza3 wrote:Metta World Therapy

http://youtu.be/mqP_Hh116RE

lol, thanks for sharing. Can you keep posting the new episodes here if you see when they are released. I don't want to subscribe to that channel and get all that other crap.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:56 am

JSM wrote:'Atta boy Ron Ron!

I thought he had a great second quarter offensively (arguably the player of the quarter for either team). And despite Melo's 3rd quarter surge, he was fantastic on the defensive end. Melo might've finished with 34, but I don't think anyone in the NBA could make him work harder for those baskets. Melo made the mistake to make most of the day a wrestling match against Ron and lost every time he went that route. Kobe finished with the same point total, but his came so much easier, it's no contest.

It's such a joy to see him healthy and light footed, doing his thing against some of the league's best once again. His energy for the entire game helped. The dust up with Chandler woke up a crowd that had fallen asleep temporarily. One of the beat writers tweeted (forgot who it was) how funny it was that the Staples crowd no longer gasps when Ron hoists up a 3 anymore, because unlike last season, you actually expect him to hit most of them.

Still trying to figure out how playing physical ball got him fouled out. Those two he got whistled for when he was wrestling with Melo were bull, and then the touch foul on the Melo J that sent Ron for the bench for the duration of the game was especially bull crap.


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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Alleyhoops on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:59 am

I truly believe an argument can be made for Metta as this team's MVP so far.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:04 am

jbiggs wrote:all i can say is that rons performance this season is a perfect example of how good a player can play when healthy as opposed to being limited due to an injury like last year.

i think this parallels similarly with dwight and his recovery from injury, and altho he will get better as the season progresses i dont believe we will see the true dwight from orl until next season just like it seemed to take ron the off season to get his mojo back

good point. I'm starting to think the same thing. Not so much because Dwight wont be 100% by the end of the year but because he didn't have an entire offseason to improve or develop because of his recovery process.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:17 am

Alleyhoops wrote:I truly believe an argument can be made for Metta as this team's MVP so far.


Someone else said that above too and it's true that argument could be made. He's been a rock with his play and effort and skills this year. How many big shots has he hit and games he has kept us in win or lose. What fun to watch the man! So glad he's still our Hulk.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:36 am

Another awesome by Metta ... keep us in the game in the 2nd ... he's our 2nd best post player now

I'm just going to nitpick here but just please give the ball to Nash when you got the rebound instead of trying to run the fastbreak :man10:
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby JSM on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:34 am

Dave McMenamin of ESPN wrote:So, who should get the credit for the Los Angeles Lakers' current five-game winning streak that finally has them back at .500 after a rousing 100-94 win over the New York Knicks on Christmas Day?

Steve Nash for finally making his comeback and dropping 20 assists against just six turnovers in his first two games? Kobe Bryant for his sustained excellence, putting up 30 or more points in his ninth straight game with his efficient 34 points on 14-for-24 shooting against the Knicks? Pau Gasol for staying the course and carving out a niche in the offense that was uncomfortable at first but now has him doling out six assists in each of his last two games? Dwight Howard for battling through his back injury and playing in 100 percent of the Lakers' games this season even though his health is really somewhere around 75 or 80 percent? Mike D'Antoni for sticking to his vision for the team even when they went just 4-9 in the first 13 games after he took over?

There are arguments to be made for all of those guys, but it's tough to imagine the Lakers having the type of success they are right now without the utter transformation of Metta World Peace.

He has gone from an unpredictable, out-of-shape, amnesty clause-bound, washed-up veteran to a rediscovered cog that keeps churning no matter what adversity the Lakers have played through this season.

World Peace was at it again on Christmas, spreading his particular brand of basketball joy on both ends of the floor, scoring 20 points on 6-of-11 shooting off the bench, while also keeping Carmelo Anthony in check as best he could on defense.

"I want to say it's inspired, but this is what he's been doing the whole year," Nash said. "He pounds on the best player on the other team. He gets his hands on a lot of balls. Rebounds. Scores. Makes threes. I mean, he's playing phenomenal, he's a great teammate and he's a huge part of why we're able to win."

World Peace is averaging 17.8 points, 8.2 rebounds and 2.6 steals during the Lakers' five-game winning streak, and in the midst of it, right after grabbing a career-high 16 rebounds against the Sixers, he was asked by D'Antoni to come off the bench.

He could have whined. He could have pouted. He could have outright laughed. "Wait, you're starting Darius Morris over me?"

But the only noise World Peace has been making these days has been vocal leadership for a team that needed a kick in the pants to get things going.

"Metta has been a lot, lot more vocal," Bryant said. "A lot more vocal in helping me with the leadership and making sure guys have that intensity and attention to detail and the toughness. He's been extremely, extremely vocal."

The Lakers had all but bottomed out five games ago against the Knicks, falling behind by as many as 26 points in an embarrassing nationally televised loss.

Some of that blame for that game had to fall on World Peace, it was his man Anthony who dominated the first quarter with 22 points, taking wide open 3-pointers hardly contested by slow closeouts.

World Peace had a different plan for Anthony the second time around.

"The last game in New York, all he had to do is play offense," World Peace said. "[Tuesday] he had to play offense and defense. It's hard to play offense and defense. Anybody that plays basketball knows it's not easy to do that."

After World Peace held him to just 4-for-11 shooting in the first two quarters, Anthony made halftime adjustments and finished with 34 points on 13-for-23 shooting, but World Peace continued to play hard on both ends without getting discouraged.

When the Knicks ran their lead to nine points midway through the third quarter, it was World Peace who scored a streaking layup to get L.A. going again. When the Lakers' defensive energy seemed lacking, it was World Peace wrestling with Tyson Chandler for a loose ball that invigorated a stagnant Staples Center crowd and elicited a head rub from Nash and a high-five from Bryant.

"You can't win without that type of effort," said Nash, simply.

Even though World Peace has been pulled from the starting lineup by D'Antoni, he has been granted the green light coming in as the stretch four off the bench.

"His contribution, we found it," D'Antoni said. "We didn't go to it early when he was a three almost totally, but him at the four puts a lot of pressure on a lot of teams."

Since coming to L.A., World Peace never was never so heavily relied upon -- not in Phil Jackson's triangle offense, nor in Mike Brown's post-up or Princeton sets.

D'Antoni has empowered him to strive to be the player who had eight straight seasons in the prime of his career averaging more than 15 points per game, saying World Peace "should" score 20 points per game in his system because he'll get 10 open 3-point looks per game (he was 3-for-6 on 3-pointers Tuesday).

"Usually (when opponents) put guys on me, they're able to take a break," World Peace said. "I'm just not used to guys trying to take a break on me. Over my career, they always put the best defender on me. Now, lately guys have been trying to put the worst defender on me and take a break, but no, I got to make these guys work and actually give them work. Not even make them work, just give them work."

It's been working for L.A. as World Peace's on-court production has given substance and weight to the words he says.

"Metta will drag you across that line," Bryant said. "It's important for teams to have that because he keeps everybody on edge, which is necessary to win a championship."

When the Lakers finally got over the hump in the fourth quarter after trailing for most of the game against the Knicks, it was World Peace dragging them there. After missing a fast-break layup he did whatever it took to retrieve his own rebound and put it back up again to give L.A. an 83-82 lead with 8:23 remaining -- a lead it would never relinquish. (Even if the play involved a World Peace elbow to Steve Novak to make it happen.)

It says a lot about the power of what World Peace is saying when a guy like Jordan Hill, who has had his own position as a backup big man diminished when D'Antoni switched World Peace to the role, is praising his role on the team.

"He definitely talks," Hill said. "He talks on the floor and while he's on the bench. He's loud with it, so you won't miss him. He's just that guy you need."

And people are listening. Not just Bryant and Gasol, who have won a title with World Peace so they know what he's about, but Howard, too. Howard is still making bonds with his new teammates that will need to be strengthened if the Lakers are going to do anything special this season.

"I think sometimes people view him as some madman, but he's awesome," Howard said. "I love him for this team. I think he's a great teammate and he's been through so much and he can talk to you about a lot of things dealing with basketball and life and all that stuff. He's great. I'm glad he's here."

After 3 1/2 seasons in L.A., World Peace is proving the Lakers are just as much his team, his locker room, his legacy, as they are for Bryant or any other person tied to the purple and gold.

"When I first got here, I was in the room with 14 champions," World Peace said. "So all I had to do was sit in the back and watch and bring my basketball play. Now I'm in the room with just three champions, counting myself, so I got to talk."
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:00 am

Awesome quote at the end there.

I love what he's been and I love what he's doing right now. This is the same thing that happened to Odom when he was moved to the bench and when he realized what was needed. Metta in the starting lineup, but hamstrung vs. Metta off the bench with a shinning green light... what I first thought was a mistake from D'Antoni has so far proven to be genius.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby TIME on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:02 am

Great read ^^^
Vitti uttered three words that surely applies to how Bryant made two free throws on one leg, walked off the court on his own and processed his rehabilitation plan amid the pain, frustration and tears.

“That’s really cool.”
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: great McMen article - pg 161

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:21 pm

Metta is riffing on Corey Brewer's celebratory dances after making 3s in the Denver game: "I felt like I was in the club"
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: great McMen article - pg 161

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:38 pm

Ariza3 wrote:
Metta is riffing on Corey Brewer's celebratory dances after making 3s in the Denver game: "I felt like I was in the club"

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Re: MWPeace Discussion: now bench 4 & 3

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:48 am

Alleyhoops wrote:I truly believe an argument can be made for Metta as this team's MVP so far.


^^ Me, too.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: great McMen article - pg 161

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:24 pm

MWP is playing out of mind after becoming a bench. He shoots more than himself when he was a starter.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: great McMen article - pg 161

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:01 am

I think our offense still isn't really set yet. what i mean is that the offense is still kind of all over the place and not a set system. Nash sometimes runs pnr with bigs. post ups are there sometimes. kobe iso's are always there. MWP kind of has to do his own thing...he has to find his own shot and do everything on his own.

i would love to see some things run for him. his post ups to take advantage of smaller or weaker players is all he has and it worked over jrich 2x and then we stopped going to it.

i thought towards the end he was better offensively so the 6-17 FG doesnt explain his whole game. he brought us back into the game i thought or at least kept us in it bc of our terrible D
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: great McMen article - pg 161

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:01 am

his shot selection is on par with Kobe :freak2:
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