MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

While he's no longer the elite defender he used to be, he can still stop the likes of other subpar all stars. He can't stop or slow down the Lebron's or KD's (but nobody can anyway) but he can contain the Rudy Gay's, Paul George, Paul Pierce, etc.

That last play was just a straight up isolation vs Lebron, we really needed that stop

The Rock wrote:That last play was just a straight up isolation vs Lebron, we really needed that stop

and how do you stop an off balance shot off the dribble ?

Lebron got most of his basket from TOs and Pow Pow garbage defense as an anchor .

Metta did OK on Bron Bron

wcsoldier81 wrote:

The Rock wrote:That last play was just a straight up isolation vs Lebron, we really needed that stop

and how do you stop an off balance shot off the dribble ?

Lebron got most of his basket from TOs and Pow Pow garbage defense as an anchor .

Metta did OK on Bron Bron

Ron is gotta defend him better seriously that last play is an iso, Iso defense is Ron's strength if hes getting scored on in that situation then he just cant help us anymore.

Rock I'm sick of this bull**** campaign against Artest. It's LEBRON JAMES! NOBODY can stop LeBron James. Why don't you research who has kept him the most under control of his career? Why don't you find the solution then? Go find the guy that's better than Artest at guarding LeBron James. Seriously.

If Ron Artest isn't the answer, go find the guy that is. Go find the one that's available and able to stop LeBron James consistently. Every single time the face each other.

Great players can be "limited " by team D , not by one individual ... I'm not sure how some fans still don't understand this ...

LBJ made most of his damages in transition and when Pau was playing the 5....

Ron is the team's designated defender, he lost weight, got fit blah blah blah and cant stay with PGs and SGs, fine. Then it became he cant guard guys coming off screens because hes too big. Fine. Now he cant guard guys in isolation. When are the excuses gonna end? Guys like Lebron and Durant are averaging in the high 20s, our desginated defender is supposed to make them work harder to get them not go well above the averages like they have (42, 39, 36) and do it shooting a high percentage with ease.

I still haven't seen a rebuttal to the last Miami sequence where LBJ converted a midrange 16 footer off Ron on a 1 on 1 situation. 1 on 1 defense is his forte thats what we lean on Ron for, if he cant get it done then whats the point?? Both Lebron and Durant got their season highs vs him this year

Yes you f***ing have you just didn't read it. IT'S LEBRON JAMES! And he is fading to the wrong shoulder off balance! He hit a shot that great players hit!

He's the best player in the entire world right now. Why is that so hard to get?

I liked his play last night. He played hard & energetic. I thought he did a decent job on Lebron. IMO, Metta does a better job on Lebron defensively then KD; maybe it's just me. Both of those guys are superstars and are going to get their points either way.

therealdeal wrote:Yes you f***ing have you just didn't read it. IT'S LEBRON JAMES! And he is fading to the wrong shoulder off balance! He hit a shot that great players hit!

He's the best player in the entire world right now. Why is that so hard to get?

I agree. Saying Ron is a bad defender for not being able to shut down Lebron James is like saying Bruce Bowen was a bad defender for not being able to shut down Kobe when he was in his prime. Superstars in their prime can't be shut down by anyone, especially with the rules that are in place right now.

Wow talk about twisting my words. I said SLOW them down. How about holding them to their averages? Wouldn't that help? Wouldn't that make a difference? How about making them work harder? and no that last shot Lebron just went straight to a spot pulled up and knocked it in without his dribble or shot being challenged. If hes just like any other player who simply cant slow down these guys then he needs to go, find younger legs who'll actually help. He made his open shots last night which was good but thats been hella inconsistent. Season highs by Durant and LBJ nuff said

^ when I say season high Im frustrated overall while hes guarding Durant as well. Last year in the playoffs we saw this too he scored on MWP in ISOs too (Dagger 3 in Game 4 for example). Same happened last night no screens nothing, a straight up iso that is the situation that is ideal for Ron that is what we hope opposing players and elite players go at him where we hope Ron comes out at the better end of it and he doesnt anymore. Theres just too many of those "Ron specialty" plays where hes not coming up with the needed stop. IF our players are being put in a situation which is of their strengths (ahem Pau in the post and the paint) and theyre not coming up on top enough times then we're flat out screwed

This is completely ludicrous! He can't put a dent in DURANT and LEBRON! He must be a bad defender??

You're smarter than this Rock. Seriously.

Let me put it this way, if Kobe posted up with the ball against CP3 and ended up not scoring, wouldn't we be upset since scoring in the post against smaller guards is one of Kobe's specialties? Even though CP3 is a perennial MVP candidate, an all star, one of the best players in the league, best PG in the last 3 years, amongst league leaders in steals, All Defensive team selections..knowing how great CP3 is when that kinda situation comes you want Kobe to come out on the better end of it. Thats how I feel when it comes to Ron in iso defensive situations against Lebron and Durant, its one on one, Ron hates screens he takes pride in his 1 on 1 defense in this kinda situation he thrives, he calls out players and coaches over twitter for using screens and calling them p****.

When Ron gets the situation he wants, a mano a mano play, I just wish he would force these guys to at least take harder contested shots, he cant even do that now. Its not easy for any NBA player to do that against Durant and Lebron but there is this expectation if anyone in the league can its Artest and he hasnt come thru so far in an isolation situation where his supposed ability to get stops at the right time should come into play

Since when is posting up 6'6" KOBE BRYANT against 6'0" Chris Paul the same thing as LEBRON JAMES OFF THE DRIBBLE AGAINST RON ARTEST?

It's not even remotely in the same atmosphere. You're reaching and I don't know why you just can't admit that you're wrong about this.

Because each of our guys have a role. Rons rol is designated defender of the other team primary scorers. And hes not fulfilling that role in an adequate manner imo.

And you're wrong. There's no reason to hold anyone to that standard, it's simply ridiculous. You're talking about the two most dominant forces in the game today and using that as your barometer.

He plays defense just as well as anyone could ask or expect from a defensive player and because he can't stop the two most dominant players in the game he needs to go. I just keep typing it because it's so absolutely ludicrous.

And you're not reading what Im saying, I never said completely stop them, I said make them work harder for them, have them sweat it out to get their shots and points, get some stops at critical moments of the games, that hasnt happened at all from Ron. And I said fulfilling it in an adequate manner, thats being reasonable. If our team has championship aspirations then we ask our guys to do things that would help us win a championship and regular season is an opportunity to prep for that, if they're not reaching those standards why keep them? If we compare them to like the Bobcats or TWolves or something and say well nobody else in the league can slow them then Ron isnt worth keeping on the team since he cant give you the extra defensive playmaking that is needed and is expected from him.

Ive said this before Ron's trade value is sky high right now packaging him and Pau should give us good returns

I have been advocating moving him to full time PF for a while now. He's the perfect fit there in MDA's system, and has got the physical tools to body up PF's. Gasol's holding that idea back, for now. Gasol's holding back everything, actually.

The Rock wrote:

wcsoldier81 wrote:

The Rock wrote:That last play was just a straight up isolation vs Lebron, we really needed that stop

and how do you stop an off balance shot off the dribble ?

Lebron got most of his basket from TOs and Pow Pow garbage defense as an anchor .

Metta did OK on Bron Bron

Ron is gotta defend him better seriously that last play is an iso, Iso defense is Ron's strength if hes getting scored on in that situation then he just cant help us anymore.

By LeBron James. Yeah ship his bleep out he's useless. Who you got lined up hypothetically (and more importantly, realistically) to stop......errrrr....."slow down" James for us if that's the bar now?

Okay name me someone on the Clippers that's going to stop LeBron.

Name me someone on the Thunder that will stop LeBron.

The Knicks? The Celtics? The Spurs?

Or how about you name me anyone from any of those teams that's going to "put a dent" in Kevin Durant?

No?

Because said person does not exist. You have yet to provide any examples of someone who could do what you ask from any other team in the league; contender or not.

Durant and LeBron got their season highs because they were allowed LAYUPS -- that has much more to do with team defense and rotations than Artest's individual defense.

Half of LeBron's points were on breakaways from turnovers.

IF we didn't let them get 8 points to open the game off BREAKAWAYS we would have won easily.
IF we didn't turn the ball over a ridiculous amount of times we would have won easily.
IF we had a defensive system in place we would see more consistency on that end.

But unfortunately those IF's don't mean anything. This team lacks discipline and has severely underachieved.

Solely blaming Artest for wings going off on us is ignoring the fact that we don't have a clear defensive strategy and lack communication there as well.