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Postby Ariza3 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:38 pm

still love him but hes gotta hit his shots. he was getting destroyed by vince carter and thats sad. vince has been playing well but to get blown by by him and not even stand in a good defensive stance is sad. guys gotta pick it up....defense on dirk was good though.....hes pretty good on 4's and sometimes 5's imo but 3's are very very hard for him to keep up with. gotta hit his 3's too
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:56 pm

themasterphil wrote:Ebanks cant be this bad...no chance.


:man3: He's just as bad on offense and waaaaaaaay worse on defense........and that's when his head is in the game..... which isn't for more than the first 2 minutes of any given stretch.

He doesn't play for a reason.....
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Postby Finwë on Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:14 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
themasterphil wrote:Ebanks cant be this bad...no chance.


:man3: He's just as bad on offense and waaaaaaaay worse on defense........and that's when his head is in the game..... which isn't for more than the first 2 minutes of any given stretch.

He doesn't play for a reason.....

How was he just as bad on offense? At least he didn't force shots and had some athleticism. His jumper improved with time.
Artest is probably the most inconsistent offensive player in the league, has terrible shot selection, extremely low bball IQ and lacks athleticism. His D is better, can't argue there, but to be sure Ebanks would be as bad on offense as Artest has been, I dunno, I can't see it.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:18 pm

^^Do you remember the last few stretches Ebanks played? He was out of position constantly, turned the ball over and was not getting back in transition defense.

There is a lot to "offense" that doesn't include scoring.... like spacing, remembering who it responsible for transition coverage and knowing where to rotate the ball etc. Ebanks is completely clueless in all of the above. He may hit a shot from time to time but so does MWP. One knows how to play and one clearly doesn't.

We don't win the Portland game if Ebanks is playing down the stretch in that game.... plain an simple.
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Postby Finwë on Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:25 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Do you remember the last few stretches Ebanks played? He was out of position constantly, turned the ball over and was not getting back in transition defense.

There is a lot to "offense" that doesn't include scoring.... like spacing, remembering who it responsible for transition coverage and knowing where to rotate the ball etc. Ebanks is completely clueless in all of the above. He may hit a shot from time to time but so does MWP. One knows how to play and one clearly doesn't.

We don't win the Portland game if Ebanks is playing down the stretch in that game.... plain an simple.

I don't think he was that terrible.. Some of the blame for him being confused and "clueless" as you say has to be assigned to Mike Brown, who was incredibly inconsistent in his player rotations plus he was trying to install an apparently VERY confusing offensive system..
He was decent in the playoffs against OKC, made some nice plays displaying his athleticism.
MWP "spaces" the floor because everyone plays off him on D, the opposition wants him to shoot, they know just how inconsistent his shot is. His decision making on O isn't good either, particulary his shot selection.
Kobe used to defend Ebanks quite a bit, saying he was a hard worker and that he would be able to contribute. I don't think Kobe would randomly name Ebanks, he must've recognized that he had some potential and that the kid could play. He wasn't terrible on D either, had some nice games on that end, particulary one against OKC where he really played Durant well.

I feel the perception of Ebanks' ability has been affected by him not playing, people forget that he was helpful in some games and that he did show promise (not saying this is you, talking in general)

Not saying I wish he was playing instead of MWP btw. MWP is obviously a better choice than Ebanks, I'm just not sure I'd say Ebanks was "just as bad" on offense as MWP has been recently. MWP's effort and D is what makes the difference, but his production on O has been atrocious in these last 25 or so games.
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Postby last stand on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:24 pm

KB24 wrote:needs to get axed in the off-season.

Hurts the team too much on offense to justify playing time. I know other players with solid D and crap O but at least they don't take a shot every time they touch the ball.

If you suck on O...its OK as long as you don't take dumb shots. Artest is clearly a liability and his D is so-so which means he needs to be axed...amnesty, trade, whatever.


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Postby JLaker17 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:32 pm

I know Ebanks looked terrible more times than not but I think we should give him another shot, even if its only for a few minutes. It is not like MWP is that much better. I have no problem with MWP taking open shots/3s or any other player who is capable. But when he constantly kills ball movement, dribbles around trying to be Kobe, or take a dumb shot it is unacceptable. His negatives outweigh his positives by far right now. Maybe he just needs another chance.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:32 pm

I love Metta's effort and I don't want him going anywhere. His defensive ability is still very high and I wouldn't want to see him defending us.

If we trade Gasol for a starting caliber SF and moved Metta to the bench, we'd be in great shape. Metta can do all of his dumb things off the bench and we wouldn't have to worry about it much, but he'd still bring that fantastic defensive presence and energy.
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Postby lakersin4 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:46 pm

therealdeal wrote:If we trade Gasol for a starting caliber SF and moved Metta to the bench, we'd be in great shape. Metta can do all of his dumb things off the bench and we wouldn't have to worry about it much, but he'd still bring that fantastic defensive presence and energy.

Agreed.. He's getting old.. His defense isn't what it was, but it would be helped greatly by moving him to the bench & cutting his minutes. Also, he'd get minutes at backup PF where guys can't kill him as much with their footspeed. He really drives me nuts taking shots off the dribble like he's Kobe though. Stick to only shooting when wide open.
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Postby Ariza3 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:10 pm

the d he brings when it matters is very good for this team. he has that edge that were gunna need in the playoffs and if we want to get to the finals.
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Postby khmrP on Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:03 pm

Ariza3 wrote:the d he brings when it matters is very good for this team. he has that edge that were gunna need in the playoffs and if we want to get to the finals.


D matters the whole game not just some late 4th stops, i know it's not his fault he can't guard Dirk but outside of being able to swipe at balls here and there he really can't defend much at all, to slow against faster SF, to short to defend tall PF and once he gets picked off on a screen dude gets lost never helps off of the pick. He bring way more negative offense than what ever little he brings on defense.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:21 am

Last 20 games :

75/221 (33.9%) from the field, 35/109 (32.1%) from 3

4th quarters this season :

47/144 (32.6%) from the field , 15/73 (20.6%) from 3 .... easily his worst numbers as a Lakers

By instance , Shane Battier a decent role player who plays within himself and got the type of looks MWP is getting from 3

4th quarters this season :

22/47 ( 46.8%) , 20/40 from 3
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:32 am

By the way , posters are talking about Metta D ... a simple screen and is completely out of the picture ... he has to guard post up players all game long now if we want effective D from him ...

I would put Clark on the opponent SF ... he sucks at getting around screens too but his length and athleticism make it more difficult for the player he's defending
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:54 am

I'll say this for Metta: his defense yesterday was fantastic and it has been fantastic for the last few games. His offense is definitely awful and often borders on the idiotic, but defensively he never stops bringing it. He must have more blocks with his left hand this season than any other SFs. That lefty block, the steals, the way he pushed Dirk around the floor in the 4th. You're not going to stop Dirk once he gets the ball, but Metta did about as well as anyone could be expected to do.

Even on the last play, the reason Dirk didn't shoot the ball was because of Metta's quick hands. I'll give him that credit.

I just don't know at this point whether or not it outweighs the damage he does offensively. Again, if we move him to the bench I'm not as worried about it, but as the starting SF it gives us a lot of problems.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:57 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:By the way , posters are talking about Metta D ... a simple screen and is completely out of the picture ... he has to guard post up players all game long now if we want effective D from him ...

I would put Clark on the opponent SF ... he sucks at getting around screens too but his length and athleticism make it more difficult for the player he's defending


I liked those numbers you posted up in your previous post. That's how bad he's been, and it's getting worse. IMO, his defense is not good enough to offset his defense. He scored 1 point yesterday and we won the game by 3. This is our starting SF. We need more production offensively, period.

Now, his defense against the bigger some of the PF's has been good. That's it. When we play a better team then Dallas, he gets exploited on both ends; for example, the Miami game. Nevertheless, we can't do nothing about it right now...
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Postby khmrP on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:11 am

I know we're 2 games past but that Por. game were he got that 5sec backdown TO was just a perfect example of how selfish and idiotic he can be offensively. Kobe was RIGHT next to him and he conts. his back down and didn't even make any progress :bang: :mad1:
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:21 am

^He dribbled to much for sure however it wasn't a 5-sec call. Or it shouldn't have been anyway.
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Postby The Rock on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:31 am

I dont blame entirely for his struggles hes not a 35mpg player anymore especially with today's faster paced game. Why havent the FO tried to get a backup SF we have been desperate at that position all year...they thinking Lakers will be ok going small I guess
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Postby khmrP on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35 am

The Rock wrote:I dont blame entirely for his struggles hes not a 35mpg player anymore especially with today's faster paced game. Why havent the FO tried to get a backup SF we have been desperate at that position all year...they thinking Lakers will be ok going small I guess


maybe the rumored Bell signing if bought out? Already play 3 guard rotation, Bell I guess could hack it @ the 3.
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Postby The Rock on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:37 am

yea we can get away with playing a 2 guard at SF for 10-15 mins a game in MDA's rotation, question is will we get one
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Postby last stand on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:42 am

he is so detrimental to offensive flow, has been for about 2 years now.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:28 pm

The FO has nothing to do with a player who can't play within himself ...

They did their job in the offseason to say the least ... the MWP , Meeks and Blake need to step their game up and knock down open shots on a consistent basis ... which shouldn't be that difficult for professional players
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Postby khmrP on Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:39 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:The FO has nothing to do with a player who can't play within himself ...

They did their job in the offseason to say the least ... the MWP , Meeks and Blake need to step their game up and knock down open shots on a consistent basis ... which shouldn't be that difficult for professional players


you would hope/think that would be the case but nothing I've seen over the years with Blake and Now with meeks/metta defy's logic :man10:
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