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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:30 am

Time to retire. I hope he recovers and has a healthy second half of his life.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:51 am

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wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the worst trades in Lakers history


I was thinking the same thing. Especially with how bad we're gonna be and Phoenix is gonna reap the benefit of it. We use to be on the receiving end of those type of trades.


Not necessarily, we have our pick this season which is likely when we'll be at our worst

So we should reap the benefits
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:49 am

The only thing bad about the trade at the time was giving Nash a 3 year contract. It should have been a year by year deal.

The worst trade was not trading Pau after the CP3 fiasco. We never lose our picks if we would have traded him to Houston for Dragic/Martin/Scola because we would have already had a PG.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby GNC on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:22 am

Doc Brown wrote:The only thing bad about the trade at the time was giving Nash a 3 year contract. It should have been a year by year deal.

The worst trade was not trading Pau after the CP3 fiasco. We never lose our picks if we would have traded him to Houston for Dragic/Martin/Scola because we would have already had a PG.


The cp3 bit still blows.. But why we never turned around and shipped pau to Houston is beyond me. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was obvious Pau was on the decline... even then.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:28 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Q: So in your mind, retirement is not a word that you …

A: No. I'm not there yet. No.


How about now? :man1:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:35 am

It's hard for any professional athlete to admit the end is here...I feel for him. He's doing himself more harm than good right now though playing on those damaged nerves...I'm hoping someone from the organization or close to him can talk some sense into him...I hate to see him out there struggling every night.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:56 am

LOS ANGELES -- Someday, it might be appropriate to look back at the past four days of the Los Angeles Lakers' existence -- from playing Dwight Howard as an opponent Thursday to seeing Steve Nash being shut down because of back problems Sunday -- as the official death of the dream hatched in the summer of 2012 to get back to being a championship contender before Kobe Bryant's career came to a close.

But today is not that day.

Now is the time to simply appreciate what Nash -- a surefire, first-ballot Hall of Famer, the greatest basketball player ever to come out of his home country of Canada, a man who ranks No. 1 in career free throw percentage, No. 4 in total assists and No. 8 in 3-point accuracy in NBA history -- is going through as he sees the light at the end of the tunnel of his splendid career coming at him like a freight train going full speed.


And it's also time to realize the impact of what Nash's struggle has meant to his teammates who see Nash, the league's most-senior statesman at 39 years old, push himself on the daily to try to stay relevant in a game filled with budding stars who are, in some cases, literally half his age.

Nash tried the best he could Sunday in the Lakers' 113-90 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves. He added three assists in 13 minutes of play to that impressive career total of his. He made both free throws he attempted, a subtle reminder of his status above Mark Price atop the charity stripe list. He pointed to Pau Gasol in recognition of the big man's pass that found Nash in rhythm behind the 3-point arc on a fast break, and, even though he missed the shot, he chose to acknowledge the virtue of the feed of a teammate rather than wallow in the result of his own failed attempt.

But it wasn't working. Nash couldn't move the way he is supposed to. He couldn't get his body to cut as fast as his mind was seeing the seams in the defense he has been exploiting for the past 18 seasons. He couldn't help the Lakers stop the Wolves and their 23-year-old floor general, Ricky Rubio -- who was en route to a 12-point, 10-rebound, 14-assist, 5-steal triple-double -- looking like the type of all-around team player Nash was when he won back-to-back MVPs.

Mike D'Antoni, like a corner man who couldn't bear to see his fighter take another punch, put a stop to it. D'Antoni, who has coached the point guard off and on for the past decade since Nash was a 29-year old in his prime with the Phoenix Suns, just had to look at Nash and he knew.

"I'm concerned," D'Antoni said. "He was struggling physically tonight. You could just see it on his face. That's why I took him out and we shut him down, more or less.

"I just see his face. I've known him forever, and when he looks like that, he's trying to battle through something and just couldn't do it."

Nash, always putting the team first, didn't want to concede to his injuries because there was still a game to be played. The competitor in him wasn't ready to give up.

"That was probably foolish on my part that I didn’t [ask out]," Nash said. "But you don’t want to leave a game when you’re getting it handed to you. You want to try to stick [it through]."

Nash walked out of the arena on Sunday night knowing he has an appointment to see a back specialist Monday but having no idea when the next time he'll get to lace up his sneakers for a game again, or, if he does, if he'll ever get to feel some semblance of the player he once was.

"I’m a little emotional," Nash said. "It’s hard. I really want to play and I really want to play the way I am accustomed to playing. To be so limited is frustrating and also to not know where kind of a cleanish bill of health is [coming from] is a little daunting, too."

No matter that Nash is only averaging 6.7 points and 4.8 assists this season. The thought of not having him out there is daunting for his teammates, too.

"I appreciate his effort and his determination to play through the pain," said Steve Blake, who will be called on to pick up the slack at the point in Nash's absence. "So I love him for it."

Said Gasol: "It’s upsetting that he’s going through this type of injury again. I’m concerned because he’s my teammate. He’s a guy that can really help us because we need guys that can create shots for other people and make it easy for other guys. He’s a great playmaker, but, unfortunately, if you’re not healthy, no matter who you are, you’re not going to be able to do what you do."

Perhaps the most sobering reaction came from Jodie Meeks, who started the second half in place of Nash in the backcourt.

"Steve’s a professional," Meeks said. "He’s had a great career ..."

Meeks was speaking in the past perfect tense.

They'll all hate the day they have to start talking about Nash's career as something that is fully in the past.


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Toklat on Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:52 am

I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:02 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:It's hard for any professional athlete to admit the end is here...I feel for him. He's doing himself more harm than good right now though playing on those damaged nerves...I'm hoping someone from the organization or close to him can talk some sense into him...I hate to see him out there struggling every night.


I agree with you. He could be dealing with issues that have long term implications. I don't know what "nerve issues" are as I'm not in the medical field but it sounds bad.

He's had a hell of a career and I have the utmost respect for how hard he has worked to get to the level he played at. Unfortunately he just can't do what he used to.

Hopefully he'll make the wise decision regarding his health.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:02 am

Toklat wrote:I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.


I agree.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby themasterphil on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:05 am

Juronimo wrote:
Toklat wrote:I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.


I agree.

that would be nice i agree
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:12 am

Better? :man1:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:24 am

Sad to see. But this is what I was talking about when I said he may possibly have to retire this season if he can't go any more. I guess people calling the "Karl Malone" similarity turned out to be right. I didn't think they would be, but it sure seems like it now. It's not over until he shuts it down, but I think it's coming.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby lotus on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:38 am

He needs to go out with dignity and retire. Any athlete who risks his health for the remainder of his life so he can squeak out another year of competition is being stupid with their life. Back issues and nerve damage issues are not to be played with.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:30 am

It honestly is a sad way to go out if he does go out like this for a player so great, hanging on a little too long for some terrible teams. If it's time, it's time though, the guy can't get healthy anymore, and like in that video about Bird, you wonder how it will hurt him for the rest of his life. He needs to retire, not kill himself to get back to a team going nowhere.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:37 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Sad to see. But this is what I was talking about when I said he may possibly have to retire this season if he can't go any more. I guess people calling the "Karl Malone" similarity turned out to be right. I didn't think they would be, but it sure seems like it now. It's not over until he shuts it down, but I think it's coming.


Malone I don't think was done though at all. He had the knee injury that the staff gave him wrong rehab for. So it never got stronger, maybe worse, and he hurt it again in the playoffs unfortunately. He could have come back the next season but his mom had passed who was a big inspiration for him to play for, and then on the Lakers the thing with Kobe's wife had also happened so those guys were suddenly at odds. I used to think he was one of the healthiest looking and performing guys on the team.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:42 pm

Weezy wrote:It honestly is a sad way to go out if he does go out like this for a player so great, hanging on a little too long for some terrible teams. If it's time, it's time though, the guy can't get healthy anymore, and like in that video about Bird, you wonder how it will hurt him for the rest of his life. He needs to retire, not kill himself to get back to a team going nowhere.


Weezy or anyone else. In the Bird video the guy said he had also had 2 ruptured achilles tendons. Does anyone remember this? He would have had to miss a season or 2 at least for 2 of them. :what:

Unless they happened as a younger player some time before the Celtics?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:09 pm

^^^Googled it and found this, don't know how accurate it is

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/05/destrucity-of-celtics-part-1.html?m=1

1987-88: Kevin McHale misses 19 games as he recovers from off-season foot surgery. Larry Bird injures both Achilles tendons only seven games into the season and never fully recovers. Bird also fractures his zygomatic arch, which causes his eye to pop out in the shower after the game in which the injury occurred.


The rest of it was actually pretty interesting too.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:13 pm

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina 53s
Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Causes his eye to pop out?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:24 pm

XXIV wrote:Causes his eye to pop out?


It's not the eye hanging out on a string, like in horror movies. Google proptosis or exopthalmos and that is what they are probably talking about. It's probably what happened with that type of fracture.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.


Seriously. If you can't play anymore, don't destroy your body in the process.

Sure, Nash is a great guy, good leader and a mentor, but this is just not healthy. He is at the end of his career, and let's be honest -- he does not owe us anything. Take a break this season, let Farmar and Blake play. This will give Meeks more minutes at the 2 too. Next year, take the money and retire. No one is going to think he's a coward or anything. He is just old for a professional basketball player. Trust me, I know how it is. My shoulder hurts today for no particular reason. It's that rotator muscle that's killing me right now. "Old age" as coach Pop would say.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:08 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
XXIV wrote:Causes his eye to pop out?


It's not the eye hanging out on a string, like in horror movies. Google proptosis or exopthalmos and that is what they are probably talking about. It's probably what happened with that type of fracture.


Holy crap. :man10: :man4: . But the achilles stuff in that link Weezy posted. These 2 quotes below. Interesting. Doesn't say "ruptured" anywhere though. Wow he and Walton must have had fun comparing their physical ailments those few years. I know I know….. slow overrated "white guys". :man10: :beer:

1988-89: Jimmy Rogers becomes head coach. Larry Bird plays only six games before having season-ending surgery to remove bone spurs from both Achilles tendons. Dennis Johnson is officially running on fumes. Danny Ainge is traded for "Easy" Ed Pinckney and Joe "The Human Victory Cigar" Kleine. The Celtics win 42 games and sneak into the playoffs before getting swept in the first round by the eventual champion Detroit Pistons.

1989-90: The Celtics draft Michael Smith instead of Tim Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, B.J. Armstrong, Vlade Divac, Sherman Douglas (whom they will later trade for), or Cliff Robinson. Brian Shaw stages a contract holdout and leaves the Celtics to play with the Itialian team, Il Messaggero Roma. Larry Bird returns from his dual-Achilles surgery, but he injures his back when Michael Jordan undercuts and then falls on him in the Kenny Rogers Charity Basketball Tournament in Kentucky*. Dennis Johnson's corpse is now running (or, rather, walking) the Celtics' offense. Jimmy Rodgers tries to implement a "spread the wealth" offense and seemingly feuds with Bird (although both deny it). The team wins 52 games but fails to win the Atlantic Division. They are upset by the New York Knicks in the first round. Jimmy Rogers is fired.

^^^ WTF?? "Bone spurs" in both achilles?? Sounds like a mis-match of orthopedic medical conditions. Who knew?? :man4:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:47 pm

karacha wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
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Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.


Seriously. If you can't play anymore, don't destroy your body in the process.

Sure, Nash is a great guy, good leader and a mentor, but this is just not healthy. He is at the end of his career, and let's be honest -- he does not owe us anything. Take a break this season, let Farmar and Blake play. This will give Meeks more minutes at the 2 too. Next year, take the money and retire. No one is going to think he's a coward or anything. He is just old for a professional basketball player. Trust me, I know how it is. My shoulder hurts today for no particular reason. It's that rotator muscle that's killing me right now. "Old age" as coach Pop would say.

Exactly. My knee started going, my ankles are shot. Like you my left shoulder gets sore all the time for no reason it's the same damn thing but for people who aren't in the f***ing NBA! Stop doing this s*** before your body lets something serious happen.

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:15 pm

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No need to wait...RT @bill_oram: No update coming today on Steve Nash’s status, Lakers say.
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Lakers aren't sending an update on Steve Nash's status today. Nash saw back specialist Dr. Robert Watkins around 2 p.m. this afternoon
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They usually give some news the day of when a player goes to the doctor. I wonder if they found something really wrong?
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