Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:02 am

Toklat wrote:I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby themasterphil on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:05 am

Juronimo wrote:
Toklat wrote:I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.


I agree.

that would be nice i agree
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:12 am

Better? :man1:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:24 am

Sad to see. But this is what I was talking about when I said he may possibly have to retire this season if he can't go any more. I guess people calling the "Karl Malone" similarity turned out to be right. I didn't think they would be, but it sure seems like it now. It's not over until he shuts it down, but I think it's coming.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby lotus on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:38 am

He needs to go out with dignity and retire. Any athlete who risks his health for the remainder of his life so he can squeak out another year of competition is being stupid with their life. Back issues and nerve damage issues are not to be played with.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:30 am

It honestly is a sad way to go out if he does go out like this for a player so great, hanging on a little too long for some terrible teams. If it's time, it's time though, the guy can't get healthy anymore, and like in that video about Bird, you wonder how it will hurt him for the rest of his life. He needs to retire, not kill himself to get back to a team going nowhere.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:37 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Sad to see. But this is what I was talking about when I said he may possibly have to retire this season if he can't go any more. I guess people calling the "Karl Malone" similarity turned out to be right. I didn't think they would be, but it sure seems like it now. It's not over until he shuts it down, but I think it's coming.


Malone I don't think was done though at all. He had the knee injury that the staff gave him wrong rehab for. So it never got stronger, maybe worse, and he hurt it again in the playoffs unfortunately. He could have come back the next season but his mom had passed who was a big inspiration for him to play for, and then on the Lakers the thing with Kobe's wife had also happened so those guys were suddenly at odds. I used to think he was one of the healthiest looking and performing guys on the team.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:42 pm

Weezy wrote:It honestly is a sad way to go out if he does go out like this for a player so great, hanging on a little too long for some terrible teams. If it's time, it's time though, the guy can't get healthy anymore, and like in that video about Bird, you wonder how it will hurt him for the rest of his life. He needs to retire, not kill himself to get back to a team going nowhere.


Weezy or anyone else. In the Bird video the guy said he had also had 2 ruptured achilles tendons. Does anyone remember this? He would have had to miss a season or 2 at least for 2 of them. :what:

Unless they happened as a younger player some time before the Celtics?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:09 pm

^^^Googled it and found this, don't know how accurate it is

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/05/destrucity-of-celtics-part-1.html?m=1

1987-88: Kevin McHale misses 19 games as he recovers from off-season foot surgery. Larry Bird injures both Achilles tendons only seven games into the season and never fully recovers. Bird also fractures his zygomatic arch, which causes his eye to pop out in the shower after the game in which the injury occurred.


The rest of it was actually pretty interesting too.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:13 pm

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Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Causes his eye to pop out?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:24 pm

XXIV wrote:Causes his eye to pop out?


It's not the eye hanging out on a string, like in horror movies. Google proptosis or exopthalmos and that is what they are probably talking about. It's probably what happened with that type of fracture.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:36 pm

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Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.


Seriously. If you can't play anymore, don't destroy your body in the process.

Sure, Nash is a great guy, good leader and a mentor, but this is just not healthy. He is at the end of his career, and let's be honest -- he does not owe us anything. Take a break this season, let Farmar and Blake play. This will give Meeks more minutes at the 2 too. Next year, take the money and retire. No one is going to think he's a coward or anything. He is just old for a professional basketball player. Trust me, I know how it is. My shoulder hurts today for no particular reason. It's that rotator muscle that's killing me right now. "Old age" as coach Pop would say.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:08 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
XXIV wrote:Causes his eye to pop out?


It's not the eye hanging out on a string, like in horror movies. Google proptosis or exopthalmos and that is what they are probably talking about. It's probably what happened with that type of fracture.


Holy crap. :man10: :man4: . But the achilles stuff in that link Weezy posted. These 2 quotes below. Interesting. Doesn't say "ruptured" anywhere though. Wow he and Walton must have had fun comparing their physical ailments those few years. I know I know….. slow overrated "white guys". :man10: :beer:

1988-89: Jimmy Rogers becomes head coach. Larry Bird plays only six games before having season-ending surgery to remove bone spurs from both Achilles tendons. Dennis Johnson is officially running on fumes. Danny Ainge is traded for "Easy" Ed Pinckney and Joe "The Human Victory Cigar" Kleine. The Celtics win 42 games and sneak into the playoffs before getting swept in the first round by the eventual champion Detroit Pistons.

1989-90: The Celtics draft Michael Smith instead of Tim Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, B.J. Armstrong, Vlade Divac, Sherman Douglas (whom they will later trade for), or Cliff Robinson. Brian Shaw stages a contract holdout and leaves the Celtics to play with the Itialian team, Il Messaggero Roma. Larry Bird returns from his dual-Achilles surgery, but he injures his back when Michael Jordan undercuts and then falls on him in the Kenny Rogers Charity Basketball Tournament in Kentucky*. Dennis Johnson's corpse is now running (or, rather, walking) the Celtics' offense. Jimmy Rodgers tries to implement a "spread the wealth" offense and seemingly feuds with Bird (although both deny it). The team wins 52 games but fails to win the Atlantic Division. They are upset by the New York Knicks in the first round. Jimmy Rogers is fired.

^^^ WTF?? "Bone spurs" in both achilles?? Sounds like a mis-match of orthopedic medical conditions. Who knew?? :man4:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:47 pm

karacha wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
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Steve Nash on back: "It's slowly getting worse and worse."
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Take the hint Steve. Take the damn hint your body is screaming at you right now.


Seriously. If you can't play anymore, don't destroy your body in the process.

Sure, Nash is a great guy, good leader and a mentor, but this is just not healthy. He is at the end of his career, and let's be honest -- he does not owe us anything. Take a break this season, let Farmar and Blake play. This will give Meeks more minutes at the 2 too. Next year, take the money and retire. No one is going to think he's a coward or anything. He is just old for a professional basketball player. Trust me, I know how it is. My shoulder hurts today for no particular reason. It's that rotator muscle that's killing me right now. "Old age" as coach Pop would say.

Exactly. My knee started going, my ankles are shot. Like you my left shoulder gets sore all the time for no reason it's the same damn thing but for people who aren't in the f***ing NBA! Stop doing this s*** before your body lets something serious happen.

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:15 pm

janis carr ‏@janiscarr 54s
No need to wait...RT @bill_oram: No update coming today on Steve Nash’s status, Lakers say.
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Lakers aren't sending an update on Steve Nash's status today. Nash saw back specialist Dr. Robert Watkins around 2 p.m. this afternoon
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They usually give some news the day of when a player goes to the doctor. I wonder if they found something really wrong?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:27 pm

If he's forced to retire I'll feel sorry for him, but it'll be the best thing for the team honestly. Not just now, but for the future as well. If he's forced to retire due to injury, we'll be cleared of his salary for next season. We'll still pay, but it won't count against the cap.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:34 pm

^That's good to know...as far as no news, that's odd. It will not only be good for the team but Steve Nash the person and the future of his long-term health...he's a 'team first' guy and a class act, but he needs to use wisdom in this matter and do the right thing for himself and his family.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:44 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
janis carr ‏@janiscarr 54s
No need to wait...RT @bill_oram: No update coming today on Steve Nash’s status, Lakers say.
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Lakers aren't sending an update on Steve Nash's status today. Nash saw back specialist Dr. Robert Watkins around 2 p.m. this afternoon
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They usually give some news the day of when a player goes to the doctor. I wonder if they found something really wrong?



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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:08 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:27 pm

He may have gotten the dreaded news. He probably knows he's going to retire .Lakers aren't making a statement to give him some time before it goes public.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:31 pm

It will suck to see Nash have to go out (if that is that case). He has been one of my fav players and I hate seeing him not being able to ball like he can
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:37 pm

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 3h
As Steve Nash meets with back specialist Robert Watkins today in LA, early suspicion is he's suffering from a pinched nerve, source says.


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If Nash's exam confirms pinched nerve, it's likely not a surgical outcome. Herniated disk would be much worse.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:44 pm

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The Lakers announce Steve Nash has nerve root irritation and is expected out a minimum of two weeks
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Just retire. He's just going to get hurt when he comes back. :bang:

He took the summer off and still was hurt before anything started.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:44 pm

He's out at least two weeks.

Honestly it should be a good thing for the team...
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