Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:46 pm

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Nash will be given an epidural block, the same procedure he underwent 3 times in the playoffs to no avail.
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Back to epidurals.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:49 pm

Wow. This is going to be an ongoing problem all year...Are you serious?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby cthroatgtr on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:52 pm

This is where it hurts that Meeks can't handle the ball very well. Team has only 1 true PG on the roster in Farmar. Blake is a tweener really. The team needs another ball handler.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:53 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Wow. This is going to be an ongoing problem all year...Are you serious?

And apparently next year too....
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:56 pm

I'm glad he's not seriously injured, but I'm not glad he's gonna continue to cling on for his NBA life, this stuff isn't gonna stop happening. RETIRE.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:01 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:This is where it hurts that Meeks can't handle the ball very well. Team has only 1 true PG on the roster in Farmar. Blake is a tweener really. The team needs another ball handler.


Odd juxtaposition that you bring up it hurting that Meeks can't handle the ball better (which clearly he's doing better than last year…. but anyway) when he is a 2 guard and Blake whom you dismiss certainly can handle the point better than Meeks. Even if he leans toward the "tweener" category. Truth of the matter is Blake last few games has been playing better point than Farmar. But whatever, we have to roll for awhile at least with those 2 guys.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:09 pm

^Blake has been playing really well as of late; but I don't believe he can maintain that level of play all season, IMO. It won't be long until we're complaining about him and his defense against PG's & SG's...bank on it. We're going to have to deal with Nash and his nerve pain all season and it really doesn't give us any flexibility to add another ball-handling PG...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:18 pm

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The full (if brief) statement on Steve Nash from Lakers PR:
"Los Angeles Lakers guard Steve Nash was examined today by back specialist Dr. Robert Watkins, who diagnosed Nash as having nerve root irritation. Treatment will include an epidural block, which Nash is expected to receive tomorrow, and Nash is expected to be out of action for a minimum of two weeks. He will be re-evaluated in approximately ten days, and an update will be given at that time."

It's impossible to determine exactly how long Nash will be out, but given the language (a minimum of two weeks) and the condition (a recurrence of the nerve problems plaguing him throughout last season), it's reasonable to guess the answer will be something like "a while."

The Lakers will, without question, be incredibly conservative with Nash, knowing how quickly all his summer rehab work was undone once training camp and games began.

Hopefully, Nash and his doctors can figure out a way around this problem. But as I've written a few times over the last week or two, I'm not at all optimistic.


He's not coming back in two weeks. Recurrent problem and he's 40 years old. Nash just needs to retire or the Lakers need to make something happen so we don't have to deal with this the rest of the season.

Either he's in our he's out, he can't keep coming in and out of the lineup because there is no way he is going to come back from this and play longer than 3 games in a row.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Yeah, this is getting just stupid...there's no amount of rest, no amount of rehab, & nothing a doctor can do for this man; he's done. I have no optimism when it comes to Nash whatsoever. He's holding us hostage with a roster spot and potentially adding somebody that we can use even in a limited capacity this season. He'll probably be back in January/February and even if he does come back be completely ineffective on the basketball court.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:28 pm

^^ Yup, those two weeks will end up being closer to two months. Nerve root irritation is no joke and will potentially affect him for the rest of his life. He should retire and not push on.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Aonex on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:29 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:This is where it hurts that Meeks can't handle the ball very well. Team has only 1 true PG on the roster in Farmar. Blake is a tweener really. The team needs another ball handler.


Strange, I always saw Blake as a true PG, and thought him being placed at the #2 was a bit odd... but maybe that's because I remember watching him in his Maryland days when all he did was distribute the ball and play D.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Sirron on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:40 pm

Sad to hear. Maybe he and Kobe return about the same time, and we figure this thing out. Health is going to be an ongoing issue for the team this year.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:04 pm

A history of degenerative back problems and 32 years of playing a repetitive stress sport year round adds up to nerve damage. My guess is that this is more about his chronic back issues than it is about his leg injury last year. Degenerative disc issues can cause nerve issues in any extremity.

Part of me hopes we haven't seen the end of Nash on the floor....... Then again, unless we can see a rejuvenated Nash the other part hopes he's done on the floor for the Lakers.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby lotus on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:15 pm

Considering his age, health history, success and financial gain, why on earth would this guy keep trying to come back and play? Did he blow all of his career cash? This guy brings to mind Evander "Real Deal" Holifield.

Hey Nash, retire! Your kids will thank you for it.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Armani on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:38 pm

Just retire, man. No point in suffering any further... even with everyone healthy this team isn't a contender, and that's just about the only thing you would come back for.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Tragic on Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:36 am

For the love of God, hang em up Nashty
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:25 am

soooooooo does that mean we sign shannon brown so that blake can play PG again and we can have Brown/X at the 2 until Kobe comes back? that would be awesome
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby BadCoaching on Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:28 am

He belongs in a church league playing once a week. He's slower than Hogans goat now and he is completed flat footed and cemented in place when he doesn't have the ball...

I'm not sure what's worse.. the fact Nash is so old he's the worst PG in the league or that the Lakers were dumb enough to pay him for 3 years when he was completely finished.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:37 am

Am I right that even if he's retiring, we'll have to pay his salary and it's counting against our cap for the final year?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:50 am

DJ-RaZ-Q#24 wrote:Am I right that even if he's retiring, we'll have to pay his salary and it's counting against our cap for the final year?


Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion on the one-year anniversary of the last game in which the player played. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary effective:

If the player played 10 or more games that season, on the one-year anniversary of the player's last game.

If the player played fewer than 10 games that season, 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:51 am

Eric Pincus was tweeting about that last night. He wasn't sure either. Said he was going to to track down the right information and then post it.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:10 am

If it is career ending, he still gets his 18 million over the next two years, right? Just issues about how much of that applies to the cap? If he is still getting his money regardless, he needs to go. If he retires this year and gives up all or most of that 9 million next year, then it is obvious why he is hanging around. $$$
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 am

If Steve Nash can't return from injury, medical retirement is option
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Lakers guard Steve Nash tries to dribble past Minnesota Timberwolves guard Ricky Rubio during a game at Staples Center. (Frederic J. Brown / Getty Images / November 10, 2013)
By Eric Pincus
November 12, 2013, 6:30 a.m.
The Lakers will have to manage without Steve Nash for at least two weeks as he tries to recover from a back injury.

Suffering from nerve root irritation, a problem that began when he broke his leg a year ago in the second game of the season, Nash's efforts will now be focused on getting healthy enough to fulfill his contract with the Lakers.

If he can't make it back, he may have already played in the final NBA game of his illustrious career, just weeks into his 18th season.

Retirement isn't presently on the table but what if Nash's two weeks extends to two, three and four months?

Should the Lakers' back specialist, Dr. Robert Watkins, determine that any additional effort by Nash to play would constitute a medically unacceptable risk, the veteran point guard may end his career via forced medical retirement.

Nash is owed $9.3 million for the current year and $9.7 million for next season. If he's found to be physically unable to play, he would still receive full compensation.

The NBA would then do its due diligence, sending a league-appointed physician to verify Watkins' findings.

If the league would sign off, the final year of Nash's contract would be completely removed from the Lakers' salary cap -- as long as he plays in fewer than 10 games this season.

So far, Nash has made six appearances. Has he made his last?

The Lakers have nearly cleared their books for the summer of 2014 with only Robert Sacre ($915,243) and Nash with guaranteed salary. Nick Young has a player option for $1.2 million, and rookie Elias Harris is under contract for a non-guaranteed $816,482.

With Nash's salary coming off via theoretical retirement, the Lakers could have in the neighborhood of $54 million in spending power to chase free agents and/or re-sign their own players, such as Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol.

Big-name players such as LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Zach Randolph, Rudy Gay, Luol Deng and Greg Monroe (a restricted free agent) could all be free agents next summer.

Even if the league doesn't approve a potential Nash retirement, the Lakers may use their "stretch provision" to spread out the final year of his salary over three seasons, which would give the team about $50.9 million in spending power.

Medical retirements are rare in the NBA.

Portland Trail Blazers' forward Darius Miles retired in 2008 via medical retirement, although a technicality prevented the team from receiving cap relief when Miles attempted to rejoin the league the following season.

The Trail Blazers weren't willing to take a chance when guard Brandon Roy retired with knee problems and $63 million left on his contract.

Instead of medical retirement, the Blazers waived him via their one-time amnesty clause, which completely removed his salary from the team's books.

Roy eventually returned to the league last season with the Minnesota Timberwolves, but his knees couldn't hold up and he retired a second time in May.

The New York Knicks received financial relief when Cuttino Mobley "retired" in 2010 with a heart issue, although Mobley in turn sued the team, disagreeing with the medical retirement.

Nash, at age 39, would probably be an easier case to make to the league than players retiring before their time, such as Roy, Miles and Mobley.

However, for now Nash will be working to return to the court, with medical retirement only becoming an option if he is truly unable to make it back.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:05 am

Ariza3 wrote:soooooooo does that mean we sign shannon brown so that blake can play PG again and we can have Brown/X at the 2 until Kobe comes back? that would be awesome


How about Meeks and Brown at the 2 until Kobe comes back? :man1:

So no one has claimed Shannon yet or no reported interest in the works?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he done? (167)

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:18 am

why prolong the inevitable....all summer long we heard he was getting back to 100% and or was close and all it took was mere couple of weeks and we're right back where we started last year. Come on Nash, do us and yourself a favor and just retire. Theres nothing for him to play for other than the fact that he can feel good about himself accomplishing some minor feat. of being able to "tough" it out. When all he's doing is hurting us out there on the court and on the books.
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