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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby karacha on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:27 pm

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karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


Let's wait to see anyone playing against Westbrook when he's hot.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby hdtvset on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:46 pm

No one in the NBA can stop Westbrook when he is hot. Just like Melo, even MWP did a great job on him today, but he got his points anyway.

The key is, let Nash attack Westbrook and make him play defense too to wear him down. I think one of the reason why the Lakers could come back to win the last three games was because their size worn the other teams down at the end of games.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby charvin on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:53 pm

That's the only way to stop these "elite" PGs. Make them work on both ends of the floor. They just don't have the stamina to play great D, and great O at the same time.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:01 pm

Nash looked great and we beat a quality opponent for the first time in a while.

He makes things easier for them on offense and when the bigs give effort on the defensive end we can overcome a crappy shooting game from the 3 point line.

Only complaint is that it was too many minutes.... we need to find a way to have this level of success with the starters at or near about 32 minutes or so.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Snakell Beast on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:29 am

Rooscooter wrote:Only complaint is that it was too many minutes.... we need to find a way to have this level of success with the starters at or near about 32 minutes or so.


Totally Agree with this! We need to not only make sure our top flight players are fresh for the playoffs, but we also need to develop the reserves that we have and make sure that our entire roster gets some kind of comfort on the floor going into the playoffs, just in case someone gets into foul trouble or is hurt.

The game we played today was more indicative of how the playoffs are played, with starters logging heavy minutes, but we should be able to make it through games against the majority of opponents while resting the starters for more than 10 minutes each. If not, we may not have enough left in the tank to make a serious push.

For now, I am only mildly concerned about the sustainability of our top heavy roster. So far, I am encouraged by the progress we are making, and by the impact of Nash and a healthy Pau Gasol. I think we should be good enough, very soon, to be able to play our bench more often. I really hope that happens. Nonetheless, it should be fun to watch.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:08 am

You've crossed into the light :jam2: No more trade Howard he's wrong guy and Nash isn't going to help enough at his age..... :disagree: We've got ourselves a team again and if we can stay away from key long injuries this is going to be fun to watch the team come together. Un freaking believable Nash could not run for 7 weeks, finally gets a couple days of practice and his first contact scrimmage in and then BOOM goes his dynamite 1st 2 games back logging heavy minutes. :man4: What an amazing, supremely skilled athlete. :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:10 am

everytime he shoots its money. i dont expect him to miss ever.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Gman1979 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:39 am

Nash=Stockton 2.0 he can pass shoot an set nice picks
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby StudentOfTheGame on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:39 am

This was noted in this thread after the Warriors game, but Nash is really good at setting clever off ball screens.

I never really noticed that about his game while he was in Phoenix. He gets guys wide open looks playing off the ball. it's just impressive considering all he does with the ball in his hands.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:49 am

Nash is a good team defender ... he understands the concept of denying the ball and certain spots on the floor to his man ( like the middle) very well ... and gives a very good effort

it is the scorer PGs who attack him all the time he has huge trouble with ... he doesn't contest their shot release very well and hasn't a strong base to pressure and bother them "low body" wise ... see his game against Jack or Lillard... they were able to get into their rhythm and hit J after J.

He's a fantastic offensive player though and his screens ala Stockton are an underrated part of his game
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Murdock on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:23 am

odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


are you kidding me? nobody in the world can guard those players ... don't expect nash to do otherwise
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:32 am

odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


you're the man! However, while I value your opinion, I disagree with it in this instance. Have a nice day!

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby TheOp on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:37 am

Nash is actually a very intelligent defender, he just lacks the athleticism to a certain extent. He has quick feet but hes not explosive like most point guards. We have also never seen Nash with a good defensive team behind him, playing in Phoenix kind of made him look worse then he actually was. To put it simply, having an intelligent defender like Nash is tolerable with a guy like Dwight protecting the rim.

At least I can say this, hes the best defensive PG we've had on this team in years. And that in itself is an upgrade. :man10:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LooN3y on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:52 am

if we win at least 2 ships, in his 3 year tenure, is that enough to get his jersey retired? or does he atleast need to stay 5 or 6 years (like wilt)
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Alcindor on Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:05 am

LooN3y wrote:if we win at least 2 ships, in his 3 year tenure, is that enough to get his jersey retired? or does he atleast need to stay 5 or 6 years (like wilt)


He's been back 2 games Let's get a winning % first before talking about multiple championships.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby odom1year on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:10 am

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karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


Yes, let's see how he compares to people that no one in the league can guard and then say his defense sucks because he doesn't shut them down.


It's not to shut them down, but to see the outcome when facing our true opponents in playoffs. With the help of D12 in defense, let's see can we do better than previous years. As we know, PG is always our weakest position.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby odom1year on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:14 am

Murdock wrote:
odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


are you kidding me? nobody in the world can guard those players ... don't expect nash to do otherwise


Are you Kobe ? Just remind you that Lakers are a team, there are FIVE players on the court. You know what is team defense or team chemistry. You are not alone and no one wants you to do it all. Share the ball please.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby jbiggs on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:39 am

LooN3y wrote:if we win at least 2 ships, in his 3 year tenure, is that enough to get his jersey retired? or does he atleast need to stay 5 or 6 years (like wilt)


interesting question albeit a little premature. i think if he gets us 2 titles in a 3 yr span its gonna be hard not to give him some type of recognition...its just normally a player has to be with a team longer to get that honor and i really dont know how long nash will be on the team
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LooN3y on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:47 am

jbiggs wrote:
LooN3y wrote:if we win at least 2 ships, in his 3 year tenure, is that enough to get his jersey retired? or does he atleast need to stay 5 or 6 years (like wilt)


interesting question albeit a little premature. i think if he gets us 2 titles in a 3 yr span its gonna be hard not to give him some type of recognition...its just normally a player has to be with a team longer to get that honor and i really dont know how long nash will be on the team




yeah, because when i think of nash it just reminds me of wilt, wilt wasnt on the laker for long, only 6 years or so and the won 1 championship, but of course hes a HOFer and one of the best bigmen and scorers of all time.


but nash is one of the best PGs to ever play, not to mention one of the best international players to ever play. so lets say he signs a 2 year extension (if he can still play that is) and that would be a 5 year span in which he wins 2.


would that be enough to retire a jersey for him? i mean of course phoenix already is.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby John3:16 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:54 am

^^ In regards to Wilt, I think most remember him as a Laker, even though he did win a championship with Philly and enjoyed his most success there.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:21 am

odom1year wrote:
Murdock wrote:
odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


are you kidding me? nobody in the world can guard those players ... don't expect nash to do otherwise


Are you Kobe ? Just remind you that Lakers are a team, there are FIVE players on the court. You know what is team defense or team chemistry. You are not alone and no one wants you to do it all. Share the ball please.

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:24 am

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:57 am

Punk-101 wrote:We don't even have optimum on the court chemistry yet. Give it a month and let the offensive orgasms begin.


Exactly my thoughts, this is only Nash's 2nd game with this squad not running the Princeton, which he only ran about 1 full game and a half before getting injured.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby JGC on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:11 am

Murdock wrote:
odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


are you kidding me? nobody in the world can guard those players ... don't expect nash to do otherwise


Yeah, this. I mean, I've been saying this since we had Derek Fisher.

Nash is actually, IMO, a good help defender. Where he falls short is in individual man defense but to the point of many in here, it's impossible to shut down a PG consistently one on one with the rules in this league.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:18 am

therealdeal wrote:
odom1year wrote:
Murdock wrote:
odom1year wrote:
karacha wrote:Nash actually plays better defense now. I don't know why, but he's really not that bad.


Nash played good this game, but still not able to convince me in defense. Let's wait to see him playing against Westbrook, Parker and Paul 1st.


are you kidding me? nobody in the world can guard those players ... don't expect nash to do otherwise


Are you Kobe ? Just remind you that Lakers are a team, there are FIVE players on the court. You know what is team defense or team chemistry. You are not alone and no one wants you to do it all. Share the ball please.

What in the world are you trying to say?


Ban me....I was just trying to see how long it would take you...... :jam2: :jam2: :jam2:
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