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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: hopes to play in Playoffs (149)

Postby Weezy on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:41 pm

Kobe's a different breed though, and even though he was in his 17th season, he's still 34, not 39, big difference. Kobe's played more basketball in minutes overall than tons of all time greats, but Nash has played just as long when you count college and take into account his age. I just don't see Nash getting back to anything close to what he was at 40 and 41. Andre Miller is a good example, but IMO he's a little craftier on defense, has more bulk and knows how to use it on defense AND on offense to back guys down, Nash doesn't have that ability. Miller has ALWAYS played without real athleticism and been successful, I know Nash has for the most part too, but again 37 vs 39, and I take Miller's D over Nash's.

That said, yeah I wouldn't mind Nash off the bench controlling the team, being a scorer and playmaker like Miller, but man 9 mil is a lot for a backup PG. We'd have to find a better starter too, and that's gonna be tough.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby 432J on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:43 pm

missed way too many open looks

those are shots he would always make in the past. i can remember clearly him sinking those shots time after time against us in the playoffs. i'll cut him some slack because of his age and the time he missed but he's gotta start hitting those to give us just some chance of winning
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby kblo247 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:58 pm

Problem as I see it was that we started out the game trying to play pnr aka Nash ball. Rather the team likes it or not, Dantoni likes it or not, or message boards like admitting it .... Kobe dictates inside out to start games. He generally spends the first few possessions feeding the post or posting himself. He doesn't run around using Pau or Dwight as his personal turnstiles to start off because he's too smart for that. He knows very well that you keep the bigs honest and then look for your shot and the outside attack with pnr dribble drives. This team did the opposite, they posted secondly after the outside pnr mucked up the floor to start and dug them a hole. That's a setback of not having Kobe

Second issue is that we simply need better shots. I'm not mad at him for taking the shots he took totally, but I'm mad that he didnt convert more of them or draw fouls as he took some horrible floor balance shots without guys between the 3pt line and rim. Fact is both Steve's need to put up around 30 shots to keep teams honest without Kobe. The thing is without Kobe you have no bail outs, no one who can get to the rim and finish among the trees, no one who can draw fouls, and that means you must have floor balance. If you're taking the shots he took off the pnr he has to either hit them or make damn sure Metta and Blake are between the 3pt line and the Spurs basket because e Spurs aren't going to be in a scramble like 3. Or 4 of them would be off instinct even if its Kobe firing a 27ft fade. They just don't generate the same respect for multiple guys to run at them and that means you will be run at.

Last issue is Meeks should have started period. Is just always mixed messages. The guy with back and hip problems just comes back to start, when Pau was made to come for the bench? The team was what 5-0 without him to close the year in must win games and versus the spurs, so you bring him off the bench and let him attack Joseph/Neal while also getting Jamsion and Clark involved. Meeks should have started. He did just fine vs Green the other day. He should have started because he's quicker and better than Nash on D, as there's always effort like Sahsa. We were also 5-0 without Nash to end the year, in all must win games, 6-0 if you take away Sac where he hardly played

Nash should have come off the bench . We were out scored 10 to 40. He should have come off that bench just like Manu. Played 5 minutes stretches, and 10 minute halfs like Manu. He should have play made for that second unit like Manu. Dantoni just doesn't have the balls of Pop and Nash's pride is too big unlike Manus to take one for the team like they tried to force Pau to do early this year. This team has never done well Pau and Nash both starting, but Pau has been the one told to go to the bench and everything else, but its funny we are over 500 with Pau, over 500 with Kobe, over 500 with Metta, over 500 with Blake, over 500 with Dwight, and below 500 with Nash this year
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: hopes to play in Playoffs (149)

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:06 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:i know rust from injury, but...

where's the nash who was bloodied, one eye swollen completely shut, still closing out games

we have this hollywood froufrou version who seems devoid of passion, heart, and soul...


Bad "but" IMO. Your first sentence said it all. Rust. It's pretty amazing he played as long as he did considering he could hardly run to get ready and back to the team. He got his looks just couldn't drop them.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: hopes to play in Playoffs (149)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:38 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
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JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote::man10: @ people who thinks Nash makes us worse


Yet you're the one that thinks Kobe makes us worse....

Keep trying..... :man10:


How obtuse do you have to be to repeatedly ignore my posts explaining that I do NOT think we're better without Kobe, but that we're better defensively. It seems most of your posts hinge on fabricating a bunch of non sense just so you have something to say.


Well.... you're right... I do ignore most of your posts... My mistake is that I'm not "ignoring" all of them.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:48 pm

Two things I saw from Nash today....

First, he's way past his prime. Most of what we saw out there getting "healthy" won't help.

Second, the pick and roll, undersized point guard, approach in the playoffs has never been successful. Even his Phoenix teams got bounced by teams that could game plan for that offensive philosophy and Pop did it to him when the teams he was on were a lot better than this one and he was a lot younger. I don't like that type of offense at all and guys like Nash and Paul have gone nowhere running it in 7 game series.

He missed some easy shots for him (well if you look at his averages anyway). The defense was about what I expected as well.... All in all he played as good as can be expected from a guy with a hamstring injury at his age after 2 weeks of sitting....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby SpencerHarrison on Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:55 pm

I remember being so stoked to get Nash. I thought a player that good and skilled could ONLY help. Even when things got bizarre and the losses piled up, I still regarded him as "Dfish on Crack" and that was all we needed. But now? I just see him as a liability. He brings the offense down, and it becomes a bunch of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] nonsense in the key. Make a pass into the post. Set yourself at the 3 line. DONE. Enough of the intercepted feeds inside and dangerous baseline dribbles. When Nash goes baseline, 3/4 times it's a turnover. Blake? I expect 2 points.

And all I hear the commentators say during the games is how mind blowing the Spurs are, and how great Nash is at the PnR. Meanwhile, the guy who actually makes this team win games? Pau? Nary a word on his near back to back triple doubles.

It's crazy. I wish Nash had stayed injured. I'd rather roll with Blake, Pau and D12 triangle win or lose.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:03 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:I remember being so stoked to get Nash. I thought a player that good and skilled could ONLY help. Even when things got bizarre and the losses piled up, I still regarded him as "Dfish on Crack" and that was all we needed. But now? I just see him as a liability. He brings the offense down, and it becomes a bunch of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] nonsense in the key. Make a pass into the post. Set yourself at the 3 line. DONE. Enough of the intercepted feeds inside and dangerous baseline dribbles. When Nash goes baseline, 3/4 times it's a turnover. Blake? I expect 2 points.

And all I hear the commentators say during the games is how mind blowing the Spurs are, and how great Nash is at the PnR. Meanwhile, the guy who actually makes this team win games? Pau? Nary a word on his near back to back triple doubles.

It's crazy. I wish Nash had stayed injured. I'd rather roll with Blake, Pau and D12 triangle win or lose.


I can agree on Nash.... but a triple double from Pau is a statistical win and a loss on the court IMO.... and especially so when Kobe is out. If Pau is leading your team in assists when Kobe's out that is not a good thing. He consistently passes out of deep post position to our Community College level players on the perimeter for 3 point shots... That isn't smart IMO... what he should do, as the most gifted post player in the league, is attack and either score or draw fouls.... those two results are far better for our team than another shot attempt from Morris or Meeks....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby last stand on Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:36 pm

we have to set screens just for this guy to get up the court. i really hope he retires. that way we can get some athleticism at PG and hopefully SF as well
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:13 pm

nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:24 pm

Why all the hate? Even with a few open misses, the dude was still our best shooter outside of the usual Howard and Gasol.

He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.

Yes, I agree that Nash's "style" doesn't quite work with us for now, but remember, we no longer have Kobe to facilitate in the wing or post to best utilize Nash as a shooter and as a passer out of his dribble drives. That and the 2 PG system should only be used sparingly, so that falls strictly on D'Antoni.

All you people who only come out when Nash has a seemingly bad game and just ignore him when he's having a great game are just trolls.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:16 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:I remember being so stoked to get Nash. I thought a player that good and skilled could ONLY help. Even when things got bizarre and the losses piled up, I still regarded him as "Dfish on Crack" and that was all we needed. But now? I just see him as a liability. He brings the offense down, and it becomes a bunch of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] nonsense in the key. Make a pass into the post. Set yourself at the 3 line. DONE. Enough of the intercepted feeds inside and dangerous baseline dribbles. When Nash goes baseline, 3/4 times it's a turnover. Blake? I expect 2 points.

And all I hear the commentators say during the games is how mind blowing the Spurs are, and how great Nash is at the PnR. Meanwhile, the guy who actually makes this team win games? Pau? Nary a word on his near back to back triple doubles.

It's crazy. I wish Nash had stayed injured. I'd rather roll with Blake, Pau and D12 triangle win or lose.

I agree that he can be a liability, but mostly on defense since the league is so guard-happy. With a healthy Nash and more playing time together, we'll see a much better offense next season.

As for Blake starting, I don't think he can do the job all season long. Plus, Morris as a full time backup would spell doom barring some miracle work ethic this off-season. We would need a new starting PG, and that's not an option w/o trading Pau or possibly Metta. It's a shame the new sign-and-trade rule hurts us as a major market team, but I guess that's what Stern wants.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:53 pm

dj vitus wrote:Why all the hate? Even with a few open misses, the dude was still our best shooter outside of the usual Howard and Gasol.

He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.

Yes, I agree that Nash's "style" doesn't quite work with us for now, but remember, we no longer have Kobe to facilitate in the wing or post to best utilize Nash as a shooter and as a passer out of his dribble drives. That and the 2 PG system should only be used sparingly, so that falls strictly on D'Antoni.

All you people who only come out when Nash has a seemingly bad game and just ignore him when he's having a great game are just trolls.

because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:22 pm

Stop trying to penetrate unless you have an easy lane to a layup or obvious lob setup.. Let Blake run the pick & roll & do most of the creating when he's in there.. Spend all of your practice time on spot up 3's. If we're going to make it far, it's on Dwight's back.. Nash has the shooting ability to be deadly from 3 when Dwight's passing out of doubles. I want to see Nash attempting 7 3's a game. He could have a huge impact for us playing like that & we don't lose much in the playmaking department because sadly Blake hasn't been much worse than Nash this season.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:20 am

The 1st reason he picked the Lakers was to not be too far from his kids .... I'll take another player with a higher level of involvement and commitment ....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:37 am

On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:02 am

hollywood swinger wrote:nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.


If he had hit the good shots that he created for himself at his normal % that would have been another pretty amazing 1st game back from injury where he couldn't run to stay in game shape. But he missed them and is fair game for so many here with the what have you done for me lately, old man, and over the top disrespect.

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:13 am

Created for himself? It takes 2 screens to get up the court. Another 2 just to get past the 3 point line.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:32 am

lol at people crushing nash on his first game back from an injury...

what did you expect from an older player.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 am

Watch your back here Kobe if you don't drop 28 on 50% your first game back.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:43 am

Except Kobe carried Nash all season because Nash couldn't take any ball handling pressure off of Kobe like he was supposed to

Except even if we make it to the 2nd round and play 7 games in it Kobe still played more games than nash
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby scissors on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:50 am

He'll bounce back in game 2. No way Nash has 2 bad playoff games in a row. No matter how old he is.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Armani on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:10 am

dj vitus wrote:He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.


This, too. He's a +2 in 30 minutes, even on a bad night. The Lakers were actually winning with him in the game. He's a really smart, capable, decision maker and shooter (when healthy). That's just an extremely valuable skill set to have. Our defense is also still very good with him on the floor, so I really don't have a problem with Nash at all. His greatest challenge (if he's back next year), is not missing games, and staying healthy.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:27 am

LTLakerFan wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.


If he had hit the good shots that he created for himself at his normal % that would have been another pretty amazing 1st game back from injury where he couldn't run to stay in game shape. But he missed them and is fair game for so many here with the what have you done for me lately, old man, and over the top
disrespect.

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disrespect? Lakers organization or fans own steve trash NOTHING! he is the one not living up to his end of the bargain. when he was healthy he couldn't even handle token full court pressure. everybody needs to get off of nash's nutz dude didn't even deserve the 2 mvp's he got.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:29 am

JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.
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