Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby The Rock on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:19 am

Steve Nash has been hurt for most of the season but when he was healthy was great, he had a part in the 28-12 run we had to finish the season

After All star game he averaged 14 points, 3 rebs, 5.6 assists 48% FG, 49% 3s. He was extremely productive in the 30 minutes a game he played. Hes struggling with the same thing Bynum did...his availability due to injuries and his ability to play through it. Obviously Nash is much older and has a lot of mileage but one injury after messed it all up

Its the same theme all year if not one injury its another...we see Jamison struggling with his wrist injury now, Clark hasn't been the same since he had a foot injury midway through March.

This team had championship potential, damn injuries screwed it all up, I have no doubt about it. We were finishing strong in late March/early April when we had most of our core available including The Big 4
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:47 am

JGC wrote:
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dj vitus wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?


His shooting has been pretty good, I'll give him that. But let's not give him a pat on the back for the reduced TO shall we? His turnovers are down by about 1, because his assists are down by about 4 or 5, not because he's been taking better care of the ball. In fact, his AST:TO ratio might be one of his worst ever.

As underwhelming as Nash has been, I still can't seem to wrap my head around why he wouldn't still be light years of improvement over Derek Fisher who we had for most of the season last year. (And when I say improvement, I mean, impact to the team). We have Dwight and Nash and Kobe had to arguably work HARDER this year than last year. Makes no sense.

Here's a link to a thread back in January about which point guards one would take over Nash. Having the same discussion just a few months later, would be interesting. Nash is the same point guard in January as he is in April so....

lakers-discussion/dwight-kobe-t136889-150.html?hilit=jrue#p3786526


WTH?? Wat? Here....I bet you never thought of this.....let me help then in the friendly spirit of CL. He has been..... wait for it.... HURT most of the season. With guys like he's never played with before who don't move much or shoot well.


Shouldn't a hurt Steve Nash still make the team better than a Derek Fisher?

I mean, are you really saying he's played as good as you expected him to play, given the circumstances?


Look to me none of these guys look like they're running around in pain. Very few ever show it. So it just looks like there's this big drop in mobility, not hitting shots and just not as good any more. But 99.9% of the players in the league don't perform well when injured especially with the lower extremeties. Kobe Bryant is from another planet and we have been blessed to have that unbelievable expectation set all these years for us. He is the one guy that will still drop 30-40 on you when injured. Nothing short of beyond amazing!

Is Nash playing as good as I expected him to play, given the circumstances? Knowing he's probably 70% of where he normally is, if that, like Dwight early, and that this is the most effed up offense with wrong players for how he has always played.....Yes. It simply has to be taken into consideration. ONLY 1 KOBE.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:09 pm

what are the chances Nash get's amnestied?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:37 pm

Isn't there some rule that you can't amnesty someone that's been with you for 1 year or something?

edit: they had to be signed prior to the 2011-12 season. So I guess it's not happening. Trade or retire it is.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby XXIV on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:32 pm

You can only amnesty someone you had on your roster at the time the new CBA was implemented.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby thisbjgz on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

While Nash hasn't performed at his regular Nash standards...some of you who are too spoiled. Having Nash on the team is huge, he was a key part of that run while he was healthy, and to say you guys want to amnesty him, wait til we have another "PG" like a Ramon Sessions until you guys will realize Nash is still great despite I would say about 70-80% all season.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:34 pm

JGC wrote:
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hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?


His shooting has been pretty good, I'll give him that. But let's not give him a pat on the back for the reduced TO shall we? His turnovers are down by about 1, because his assists are down by about 4 or 5, not because he's been taking better care of the ball. In fact, his AST:TO ratio might be one of his worst ever.

Oh yah, you are right his assists and ast:to ratio are both down, though I would blame it more on the style of offense we run than on him actually "sucking."

As for Kobe having to play harder, it makes perfect sense. New players, new coaches, new systems, Gasol declining, and a mess of injuries are to blame. But we still went an incredible 28 and 12 to end the season. 70% win percentage compared to 62% overall last year.

As for which PGs you'd like to have over Nash, I agree with most of that list. I really do. But not everybody is demanding a trade to the Lakers, so it's largely unrealistic.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:51 pm

thisbjgz wrote:While Nash hasn't performed at his regular Nash standards...some of you who are too spoiled. Having Nash on the team is huge, he was a key part of that run while he was healthy, and to say you guys want to amnesty him, wait til we have another "PG" like a Ramon Sessions until you guys will realize Nash is still great despite I would say about 70-80% all season.

i dunno...i'd have to think long and hard about taking a decent young pg that plays 82 games over a great but over the hill and injury prone pg that only plays 49.

his back has always been a concern, and now you're hearing about nerve damage and multiple epidurals...the man will be 40 soon. i think people should try to separate the romanticized image of the nash of yesteryear and see what we have right now.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:12 pm

^^^Agreed. Everyone knows he has had the back problems, but the nerve damage to the leg (with the fracture) and the nerve damage to his back/hip/leg should be a lot more concerning to everyone.

You don't just get rid of nerve pain and if he's just now starting to get it and needs 2 epidurals (which is a red flag in itself), it's concerning to think about next season or the one after that.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:46 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:i think people should try to separate the romanticized image of the nash of yesteryear and see what we have right now.


This statement can be applied to both Pau, MWP and even Kobe as well.... The games that made the names no longer exist.... Coaches and schemes can't turn back time.....

A good to great bench can help but we're so far from that it's not funny......
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Our bench was exposed in large part because of all our injures. I still think it is pretty decent with Blake, Clark, Jamison, and Jordan Hill.

A dedicated 2/3 backup would be nice--if only Meeks can hit his shots.

That said, if we can stay relatively healthy and develop more chemistry, we can definitely be contenders next year.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:43 pm

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If Nash's injuries are a concern, then maybe we can get anther starting PG. But who can we realistically get that can shoot and play defense at a high rate and not brick layups?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby The Rock on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:55 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9200856/2013-nba-playoffs-steve-nash-los-angeles-lakers-plans-play-game-2

However, the 39-year-old -- who has two years and $19.5 million remaining on his contract -- said retiring has not crossed his mind.

"Not even close," Nash said. "When I was healthy this year, I felt really good. I think still, for the amount of opportunities I got on this team, I think still I was just as efficient as I've always been."

Indeed, Nash narrowly missed the fifth 50-40-90 season of his career, shooting 49.7 percent from the field, 43.8 percent on 3-pointers and 92.2 percent from the foul line during the regular season.

Nash believes the Lakers still have a chance to beat the Spurs, despite their 0-1 series deficit, and wants to contribute to overcoming the challenge.

"I love to play and I love this team," Nash said. "I want to fight for these guys and be a part of this team having some happy times. We've had a lot of down days and we've stuck with it. . . . We've had a lot of ups and downs and a lot of tough nights, so I want to turn that around and be a part of helping these guys enjoy this."


Well he wont be walking away from all that money soo either we need to find another PG who can reduce his minutes and have him play maybe only 60 gms or we need to trade him. He cant get thru an 82 game season again + playoffs. Fat chance
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:00 am

LTLakerFan wrote:What a
cynical outlook
as a fan.
Derrick Rose sucks too then
. He's been cleared. Nash is risking the hammy (not same level of injury granted) to give them what he has. His first game back as mentioned, he hits just a couple more of the looks he got and it would have been a great return. He plays well on Wed and further into the series, let's hope, with
the corner you've painted yourself into
..... I hope you will be happy about it rather than look for ways to discount it anyways. Whatever.


i am not cynical i am a realist. Nash is what he is and thats done & not primetime anymore. Also pleeeeeeeeeeeeese don't ever mention steve freaking nash in the same sentence as D. Rose a "true beast" of a pg. i didn't paint myself into a corner nash did that to himself when he wanted and asked for a 3 year deal. no way in hell that grandpa can last 3 more seasons in this league. he shoulda just retired and went and babysat his kids since that was his main focus.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby XXIV on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:08 am

dj vitus wrote:Our bench was exposed in large part because of all our injures. I still think it is pretty decent with Blake, Clark, Jamison, and Jordan Hill.

A dedicated 2/3 backup would be nice--if only Meeks can hit his shots.

That said, if we can stay relatively healthy and develop more chemistry, we can definitely be contenders next year.


Staying healthy is a big if, but I still feel we need more help off the bench. I feel someone in the mold of a Jamal Crawford is needed.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:30 am

XXIV wrote:
dj vitus wrote:Our bench was exposed in large part because of all our injures. I still think it is pretty decent with Blake, Clark, Jamison, and Jordan Hill.

A dedicated 2/3 backup would be nice--if only Meeks can hit his shots.

That said, if we can stay relatively healthy and develop more chemistry, we can definitely be contenders next year.


Staying healthy is a big if, but I still feel we need more help off the bench. I feel someone in the mold of a Jamal Crawford is needed.

Yeah, definitely a spark plug off the bench would be great a la Crawford or Lamar Odom. Or a Tony Allen type. Even though Memphis lost, the dude was everywhere disrupting passes and making plays when Memphis couldn't get things going. Too bad Meeks just isn't cutting it. :man5:

We could put Pau back on the bench since we won a bunch of games that way. Plus, it'll keep his minutes down and keep him fresh. I really hope MDA doesn't run him into the ground again.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby XXIV on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:29 pm

dj vitus wrote:
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dj vitus wrote:Our bench was exposed in large part because of all our injures. I still think it is pretty decent with Blake, Clark, Jamison, and Jordan Hill.

A dedicated 2/3 backup would be nice--if only Meeks can hit his shots.

That said, if we can stay relatively healthy and develop more chemistry, we can definitely be contenders next year.


Staying healthy is a big if, but I still feel we need more help off the bench. I feel someone in the mold of a Jamal Crawford is needed.

Yeah, definitely a spark plug off the bench would be great a la Crawford or Lamar Odom. Or a Tony Allen type. Even though Memphis lost, the dude was everywhere disrupting passes and making plays when Memphis couldn't get things going. Too bad Meeks just isn't cutting it. :man5:

We could put Pau back on the bench since we won a bunch of games that way. Plus, it'll keep his minutes down and keep him fresh. I really hope MDA doesn't run him into the ground again.


I hope you mean Lakers LO, not the current one. :man12: One player I would like us to go after is Nick Young. He reminds me of a lite version of Crawford, but man when he's on he's really fun to watch. Him being with a veteran team could help him improve his shot selection and how to play better without the ball, but he's a type of player we could use as a spark.

The main issue with Pau coming off the bench is the worry he might check out mentally again. He made it known that he was unhappy with not starting and I'm not sure it'll suit him next season, if we were to keep him.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:47 pm

I hope nash proves me wrong tonight & balls out because we need this game if we wanna make any possible noise in playoffs.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JSM on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:19 pm

He could barely get up and down the court towards the end. Not looking good. He had a few nice assists that were throw backs to his days with the Suns and hit some shots that weren't falling for him in game 1.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:21 pm

Just shut him down for the rest of the series before he really injures himself. He shouldn't even be playing with two epidurals anyways.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:22 pm

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby The Rock on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:23 pm

Hes trying hard as hell his body is not responding. Really sad to watch the little guy compete with so much spirit
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:23 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Just shut him down for the rest of the series before he really injures himself. He shouldn't even be playing with two epidurals anyways.


Agreed. Don't want to see another Kobe-like disaster out there with an already wounded guy.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:26 pm

I admire the effort Steve. But don't do this to yourself for a series which we have no chance of winning either way.
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