Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: Epidural Nation

Postby JSM on Thu May 09, 2013 9:03 pm

Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:This is the third in a series grading the Lakers’ efforts on their 2012-13 season.

Player: Steve Nash, Lakers guard

How he performed: 12.7 points on 49.7 percent shooting and 6.7 assists through 50 games

The Good: When he was actually healthy, Nash showed plenty of remnants that makes him one of the best NBA point guards of his generation. His season averages (12.7 points on 49.7 percent shooting and 43.8 percent from three-point range, a 92.2 percent clip from the free throw line and 6.7 assists) are fairly similar to his last year in Phoenix where he averaged 12.5 points and 10.7 assists while shooting 53.2, 39 and 89.4 percent, respectively. Nash also decreases his turnovers with the Lakers (2.5) compared to his last season with the Suns (3.7). Add all those numbers up, and Nash managed to become the fifth player in NBA history to collect at least 10,000 assists.

The Lakers may have gone 5-11 in his 16 games sine his return from a fractured leg that kept him out of 24 games. But that had more to do with the team’s issues on defense than Nash, who posted 9.2 assists per game in that stretch. More importantly, Nash showed willingly adapted to any role, something that Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol showed more reluctance to do in Mike D’Antoni’s system. When the Lakers had an air-it-out meeting Jan. 23 prior to the their loss to the Memphis Grizzlies, Nash immediately embraced becoming an off-ball shooter in favor of Kobe Bryant playing the a facilitating role. That resulted in Nash posting double-digits in scoring in 27 of the next 31 contests.

The Bad: To think, the only challenges many believed Nash would encounter would involve shaky defense and perhaps some minor back issues. In what Nash described as his “most frustrating” season in his 16-year career, persistent injuries hardly allowed him to have the presence the Lakers envisioned after acquiring him last offseason. His 24-game absence after colliding Oct. 31 with Portland guard Damian Lillard hurt the Lakers’ fortunes in learning Mike Brown’s Princeton-based offense as well as adapting to Mike D’Antoni’s more up-tempo system.

Nash’s right hip injury caused even more problems after sidelining him for the last eight regular season games. Persistent discomfort in his nerves prompted Nash to receive a couple of epidural shots in his back and a cortisone shot in his right hip. But it hardly helped Nash overcome his injuries. Nash averaged 12.5 points on 43.5 percent shooting and 4.5 assists in the Lakers’ first two playoff losses against the Spurs, showing discomfort in both his rhythm and finding his shooting stroke. Increased discomfort in his hamstring then kept him out of the Lakers’ losses in Games 3 and 4 against San Antonio.

“I’m disappointed for him,” Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in his exit interview. “I’ve never seen a player struggle and be as involved in the rehabbing of an injury and to be as frustrated as he was.”

Yet, some of Nash’s issues went beyond injuries.

All accounts have described Nash as the consummate team player. But that left him in a dicey position where he tried accommodating to everyone’s concerns, ranging from following D’Antoni’s offense and finding enough shots for Bryant, Howard and Gasol. Nash’s team mindset helped reduce the self-interest that already plagued the Lakers. But his tentativeness also didn’t provide enough clarity on offense. During his eight-game absence to close out the season, the Lakers actually looked more comfortable on offense. Bryant put a more concerted effort in finding Gasol inside. Steve Blake showed also showed a better balance in mixing up pick-and-roll and post-up coverages.

Grade: C.

Injuries severely impacted Nash’s effectiveness. It also didn’t help that D’Antoni mistakenly believed Nash’s return would solve all of the Lakers chemistry issues, an unfair proposition considering the team had deeply rooted problems in playing at a fast paced and staying organized on defense. It seems uncertain whether Nash can fully overcome these injury issues. But no one can fault his attitude and intentions. On a team filled with competing agendas, Nash consistently showed interest in simply helping the team in any way he could.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: Epidural Nation

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 11:14 pm

If you're watching Ginobili, thats the kind of player we're stuck with when it comes to Nash

Someone who just cant get through a season healthy and has one nagging injury after another. Ginobli played 34 out of possible 66 last year, 60 out of a possible 82 this year. We simply have to reduce Nash's workload during season in hopes that he can stay healthy in playoffs...even then he can have an occasional elite performance here and there but cant do night and night out obviously at his age but is very valuable during clutch circumstances

And Ginobil plays around 23 to 25 mins a game and has alternatives who can step in for him who can produce just as much as him, we dont have anyone like that for Nash

Ginobili is a FA this summer will be very interesting how Spurs handle his situation
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: Epidural Nation

Postby Doc Brown on Mon May 20, 2013 10:20 am

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Steve Nash on the locker room: "I think there were times when our locker room wasn't in harmony."
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Nash on playing w/ KB: "I felt like I could've had a bigger impact & help take pressure off the team--it takes time to find that chemistry"
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Nash on persuading Dwight: "We all want him to come back--I think he knows that I want him back and wanna make up for what's a difficult yr"
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby The Rock on Mon May 20, 2013 10:38 am

Cowherd baited Nash into saying something bad about Kobe or the team but Nash wouldn't bite lol he said there were some frustrating times in the locker room but thats expected since guys are playing different roles now with a new set of teammates. He and Kobe have convos about sharing the rock all the time but he said Kobe should have the ball more and Nash is the one who joined Kobe's team. Said they barely ran D'Antoni's system mainly because of guys being injured and going in and out of the lineups and having no training camp

He thought he was never himself after the foot injury to start the season, it affected him the rest of the year
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 20, 2013 10:39 am

nothing shockingly said from Nash
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby gcclaker on Mon May 20, 2013 11:41 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:nothing shockingly said from Nash

Hated/respected him as an opponent but Nash is all class.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby borri on Mon May 20, 2013 11:44 am

Nash is WAY too smart to be baited by anybody, let alone Cowherd.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby karacha on Mon May 20, 2013 11:55 am

Nash is very classy. All right answers. No lies, but nothing that would cause problems. He's a great teammate. I like that he talked to Dwight and wants to "redeem" himself, so to speak.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 20, 2013 12:11 pm

gcclaker wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:nothing shockingly said from Nash

Hated/respected him as an opponent but Nash is all class.


Pretty much how I have always viewed him too. Nash is a great player, great teammate and all class like you said. I love the guy being in P&G personally.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Chillbongo on Fri May 24, 2013 10:48 am

Steve Nash's Ex-Wife: Banned from LA so He Can Avoid Paying Child Support?

Allegedly, Nash has asked her not to make the move because he believes he might be traded from the Lakers or have to retire from the game. Amarilla says this isn’t the case, and that the ballplayer is trying to avoid paying out for the huge child support settlement that could be imposed on him under California state law.

Nash’s ex-wife alleges that, under their current arrangement, Arizona state law doesn’t require him to pay a dime—something which Nash has taken advantage of, Amarilla says.

It’s a strange situation, considering Nash cited his need to be near his kids as his biggest factor for joining the Lakers in the first place. He made that plain and clear, stating they were the “No. 1 reason” he chose to move to Los Angeles instead of joining the Knicks in 2012.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1650566-steve-nashs-ex-wife-banned-from-la-so-he-can-avoid-paying-child-support

Nash deploying a smoke screen? Or does he really think he won't be in LA? Either way, if it's not about $$$ why bring it to court? Why does she decide to move now? Take this with a grain of salt.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby lakersin4 on Fri May 24, 2013 11:08 am

Hopefully Nash wants to go back to Phx where he doesn't have to worry about child support. Send Pau with him & get Dragic, Dudley, Beasley, Frye.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby bltkmt on Fri May 24, 2013 11:34 am

Uh...no way PHX wants Nash back.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Weezy on Fri May 24, 2013 12:19 pm

Is it wrong that I really want the report of him being traded or retiring to be true, like really, really want it to be true? I like Nash, but he's old as hell, I don't want to be stuck with an old, slow, breaking down PG for 2 more seasons at 9 mil per. If he lets is trade him I'd be pretty thrilled.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby OX1947 on Fri May 24, 2013 12:50 pm

Is there anything worse then a ex-wife who is a money grubbing parasite? The amount of child support money the courts allow the mother in these cases makes me sick. If you are going to make the guy pay that much, that money should go to a trust fund so the kid can get it after they are 18, after a reasonable amount is given during the time of adolescences. I don't understand why common sense and the court system is so effed up in this country. This is suppose to be a system that is fair right? That's why they say you have to prove someone is guilty? 50K a month in child support? Really? 10K a month, a house and vehicle paid for should be enough. Tell that (bleep) to get a job and pay her own nut.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Cleansed on Sat May 25, 2013 12:35 am

OX1947 wrote:Is there anything worse then a ex-wife who is a money grubbing parasite? The amount of child support money the courts allow the mother in these cases makes me sick. If you are going to make the guy pay that much, that money should go to a trust fund so the kid can get it after they are 18, after a reasonable amount is given during the time of adolescences. I don't understand why common sense and the court system is so effed up in this country. This is suppose to be a system that is fair right? That's why they say you have to prove someone is guilty? 50K a month in child support? Really? 10K a month, a house and vehicle paid for should be enough. Tell that (bleep) to get a job and pay her own nut.


Yes sir.


I dont blame Nash for trying to avoid being gouged . That ish' is ridiculous.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby JGC on Sat May 25, 2013 7:22 am

OX1947 wrote:Is there anything worse then a ex-wife who is a money grubbing parasite? The amount of child support money the courts allow the mother in these cases makes me sick. If you are going to make the guy pay that much, that money should go to a trust fund so the kid can get it after they are 18, after a reasonable amount is given during the time of adolescences. I don't understand why common sense and the court system is so effed up in this country. This is suppose to be a system that is fair right? That's why they say you have to prove someone is guilty? 50K a month in child support? Really? 10K a month, a house and vehicle paid for should be enough. Tell that (bleep) to get a job and pay her own nut.


I don't necessarily disagree with you, and this probably isn't the thread to discuss it, but I think these are difficult situations. What you think is fair, and what Nash's ex-wife thinks is fair, and what I think is fair, and what Sally the neighborhood dog walker thinks is fair, obviously, is very different. So while I get that the courts might seem effed up and in many ways they are, they're always going to be effed up to somebody.

And I think there are many things worse than an ex-wife who is a money grubbing parasite. I think a deadbeat Dad who has the means but provides nothing for his kids in terms of child support is worse. (Not saying Nash is, but just saying to me that is worse than a gold digger).
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 30, 2013 3:25 pm

Steve Nash battling ex-wife in court

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Steve Nash, the Suns former point guard, said Thursday morning on the witness stand in Maricopa County Superior Court that he expects to come back to the Valley after he ends his NBA career. Nash, who now plays for the Los Angeles Lakers and leases a home in Manhattan Beach, Calif., said he intends to keep his permanent residence in Paradise Valley, where he has made recent renovations.

His residency has become an issue in a two-day “relocation trial” regarding his ex-wife and three children, and whether he would be involved in their lives. Nash’s ex-wife, Alejandra Amarilla Menrath, wants Family Court Judge Thomas LeClaire to approve the relocation of their children from the Valley to Southern California.

Menrath has said she wants to move with the children to Southern California so the three kids can be closer to their father. She also has indicated the move may allow her to obtain child support from a California court.



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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby khmrP on Thu May 30, 2013 3:32 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Steve Nash battling ex-wife in court

Posted by Inside Hoops
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Steve Nash, the Suns former point guard, said Thursday morning on the witness stand in Maricopa County Superior Court that he expects to come back to the Valley after he ends his NBA career. Nash, who now plays for the Los Angeles Lakers and leases a home in Manhattan Beach, Calif., said he intends to keep his permanent residence in Paradise Valley, where he has made recent renovations.

His residency has become an issue in a two-day “relocation trial” regarding his ex-wife and three children, and whether he would be involved in their lives. Nash’s ex-wife, Alejandra Amarilla Menrath, wants Family Court Judge Thomas LeClaire to approve the relocation of their children from the Valley to Southern California.

Menrath has said she wants to move with the children to Southern California so the three kids can be closer to their father. She also has indicated the move may allow her to obtain child support from a California court.



Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=13379#ixzz2UokB4IxO
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby scheven on Thu May 30, 2013 3:56 pm

But she wasn't shooting with him in the gym :man11:
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 30, 2013 11:05 pm

scheven wrote:But she wasn't shooting with him in the gym :man11:

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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:28 pm

So I was trying to find out what will happen with Kidd's salary (3 million for the next 2 years), since he retired. I found this....

HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE SALARY CAP? It doesn't have much of an impact this summer. The Knicks are over the salary cap and will remain so, even with Kidd's $3.1 million salary off the books.

Assuming the Knicks re-sign J.R. Smith, they will likely still be taxpayers and over the tax apron. The apron is significant because a team can execute a sign-and-trade if its total salary is below the apron after the trade. (The numbers for next year's luxury tax level and salary cap have not been released yet.)

So with Kidd's contract for next season off the books, it makes it a little easier for the Knicks to get under the tax apron in executing a sign-and-trade.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/45385/rapid-reaction-jason-kidd-retires

So if Nash retires next season, does his salary come off the books (As in not counting against the salary cap)?

This article makes it seem like that is what is going down with Kidd's contract.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:52 pm

Doc Brown wrote:So I was trying to find out what will happen with Kidd's salary (3 million for the next 2 years), since he retired. I found this....

HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE SALARY CAP? It doesn't have much of an impact this summer. The Knicks are over the salary cap and will remain so, even with Kidd's $3.1 million salary off the books.

Assuming the Knicks re-sign J.R. Smith, they will likely still be taxpayers and over the tax apron. The apron is significant because a team can execute a sign-and-trade if its total salary is below the apron after the trade. (The numbers for next year's luxury tax level and salary cap have not been released yet.)

So with Kidd's contract for next season off the books, it makes it a little easier for the Knicks to get under the tax apron in executing a sign-and-trade.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/45385/rapid-reaction-jason-kidd-retires

So if Nash retires next season, does his salary come off the books (As in not counting against the salary cap)?

This article makes it seem like that is what is going down with Kidd's contract.

Interesting.. If that's the case, let Nash give it 1 more shot this season & if he doesn't come back at a high level, do the best thing for everyone involved & hang em up.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:58 pm

We still have to pay him, but it doesn't count towards the cap.

At least that's what I've always been lead to understand.

That's why I keep saying if this season goes badly again, he'll just retire and we'll have one hell of a blank slate. Even with Howard on board we'd have nearly 40 million to spend on free agents. We could get one more max slot and a whole slew of solid role players.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby bigdog2013 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:45 pm

Nash is still a great shooter and great teammate. I cant wait to see a healthy Nash next year. He probably our best shooter
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:53 pm

Would be nice if he retired after next year....then we'll have a boat load of cash to spend....with or without Howard we'll have either 40M or 60M to spend....Nash really has been a colossal waste since we got him so I really hope he makes up for it next year by playing all 82 games and being the point guard we all expected him to be....
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