Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Since when did PER become relevant?

Henry has a 9.7 PER and he's been arguably one of our best players.

Blake has a 9.9 PER and he's been arguably one of our worst players.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:11 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Since when did PER become relevant?

Henry has a 9.7 PER and he's been arguably one of our best players.

Blake has a 9.9 PER and he's been arguably one of our worst players.


It's always been relevant. There is a LOT about why Blake has a higher PER than Henry (mainly shooting percentage) Henry is not exactly playing like an MVP, but his youth, energy and athleticism are causing openings for others, which (unless he gets the assists himself) won't alter his PER.

Blake, on the other hand, isn't really even giving the value (and I use that term VERY loosely) that his PER suggests most of the time, because most of his shots (which count the same in the equation regardless of how they affect mood and momentum) are missing in the biggest moments of the game.

Stats are a good way to prop up something that is already evident...they aren't a hard and fast way to make decisions about people...in the case of Henry, his PER isn't really representative of his value to this team...in the case of the Steves, their PER is accurately reflecting their lack of value in games thus far this season...and Gasol has been the ONLY consistently reliable go to option for us...though I would also like to see Hill and Kaman get at least 10 more minutes per game apiece as well, so it just depends on a person's perspective I guess...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:18 pm

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Steve Nash is another vet who may be traded this year. I've heard Toronto as a possible landing spot for Nash from multiple league sources.
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Please let this happen.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:23 pm

I'd be nice.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:31 pm

I'm honestly sorry for Nash, I think he's a GREAT guy, but please, please make this happen.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby charvin on Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:40 pm

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Please let this happen.


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Sirron on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:37 pm

Seems to be playing a bit better today.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby GoldenKnight on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:41 pm

Glad Nash is doing better at least for this game, I wouldn't mind this for the rest of the season that would be more than good actually considering his first 3 games...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:01 pm

i kinda got worried when he asked to be taken out of the game and went back to the locker room but much better game today
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Weezy on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:07 pm

He looked better, but imo it's just fools gold and he will get hurt in time. If he can be traded to Toronto I jump on that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:17 pm

Gotta give it to him here. Good game for Steve.

I also still have my doubts he can play like this consistently, but I'm honestly happy for him because he finally had a good game.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:45 pm

Sirron wrote:Seems to be playing a bit better today.


Agreed. Nice to see.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby XXIV on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:00 pm

He played better today, his shots were actually going in. It was also good to see him playing in crunch time as he set up Pau for a couple of good looks.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Snake Eyes on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:30 pm

I am curious to see how he looks 20 games in. I don't get to see many Lakers games without cable, but I do know we've only played 3 games. Regardless, if we want to have a full salary cap to spend next season, it may be best to trade Nash.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby jlkr on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:11 am

Nash will not be traded this season. Given Nash's condition, only teams that would consider taking him would absolutely positively insist that the Lakers take back some of their trash. As in bad contracts that could act as a spoiler to future FA plans. Best thing right now would be for Nash to attempt to play out this season, then next summer either (1), Mitch successfully trades him to a team needing cap relief in exchange for something Mitch likes; or (2), I consider this more likely, Nash gets a buyout in which the Lakers get to spread his final year out over the next 3 seasons to minimize the luxury tax exposure. Very highly doubt the Lakers can do better than that in a trade this season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby juninho on Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:10 am

If they are willing to trade Amir Johnson then why not? Amir's contract has team option next year so we can just dump him. Also he fits our biggest need right now as a stretch pf. Also since Amir is from LA he is coming back to home like Nash does.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:27 am

The only bad contracts the Raptors have are Landry Fields and Novak.

Fields at 6.5 million next year
Novak at 3.5 million for the next two - Or the same cost to stretch Nash's contract if we went that route

Otherwise if they want to give up Lowry, Gay, Derozan, Johnson , Ill take those guys in a heartbeat over Nash. We should send them Pau as well and try to get as much young talent from the Raps to be honest.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:01 am

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Please let this happen.

I'd only do it with Steve's blessing. If that's something he would be willing to do for us and for himself, then I'd do it.

Call me naive, but I've got a real sense of honor about these things. Steve came here for us so he could contribute to a championship team. He wanted to help us so badly. Things didn't work out that way, but I'd like to honor him the way he honored us by asking to come here.

That being said... it's not working out. I'd definitely ask him if he'd be willing or if that's something he wants to do. I know that he also wanted to play in Toronto for his country. We could make that happen and that could be his contribution here. We'd still appreciate his effort and heart here.

I wouldn't trade him though without his input.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:07 am

I think Nash would be fine with ending his career in Canada. Neither team is winning a title, but they have players that could help us, and Nash would get to finish his career where fans would probably be happy just having him on the team even if he's not what he was. I do agree the Lakers would need to clear it with Nash first though, you gotta treat an all time great with class and respect or it's a really bad look.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:08 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
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Steve Nash is another vet who may be traded this year. I've heard Toronto as a possible landing spot for Nash from multiple league sources.
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Please let this happen.

I'd only do it with Steve's blessing. If that's something he would be willing to do for us and for himself, then I'd do it.

Call me naive, but I've got a real sense of honor about these things. Steve came here for us so he could contribute to a championship team. He wanted to help us so badly. Things didn't work out that way, but I'd like to honor him the way he honored us by asking to come here.

That being said... it's not working out. I'd definitely ask him if he'd be willing or if that's something he wants to do. I know that he also wanted to play in Toronto for his country. We could make that happen and that could be his contribution here. We'd still appreciate his effort and heart here.

I wouldn't trade him though without his input.


+1 on this. Lakers should be classy and of course check with him. But I'm also down for this move. Nash may be open to it because he had talked with Toronto before he signed with us. Of course now his family is in LA so it may be a no go.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:14 am

^ Precisely... It's the family issue. Half the reason he came here was for his kids and now we might be banishing him to Toronto? Seems harsh. That's why I'd ask for his thoughts first. It'd be for half a season basically and we'd hopefully get some young piece(s) back for him...

What would you guys say to a Derozan/Nash swap? I'm not super high on the kid and I know he's got a long contract now, but that's something I think they'd consider. He's a young guy with high upside who's kind of hit a lull but they can get out of that contract. We get a young guy with high upside...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:33 am

If we could get a 18-20 ppg young player making 9.5 million for Steve Nash who is retiring in the immediate future. You take it and you run.

We would be paying 13-15 million for a 24 year old that does what Demar does. It's a steal.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:35 am

Doc Brown wrote:If we could get a 18-20 ppg young player making 9.5 million for Steve Nash who is retiring in the immediate future. You take it and you run.

We would be paying 13-15 million for a 24 year old that does what Demar does. It's a steal.

Demar is not so dissimilar from Gay though. He does a lot on the court, but he's also pretty inefficient because they count on him to put up points...

He's a younger, slightly smaller version of Gay.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:38 am

Where else do we upgrade then? FA is banking on pipe dreams to come true and even then we are going to be paying premium for those players.

If you can get a player like that for Nash, you have to do it.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:42 am

True. I'm not arguing against it at all, just playing devil's advocate. I don't want Gay anymore so getting a player so similar to him would be strange, but he's also much cheaper and younger to boot.

I'd make that move.
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