Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:36 pm

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Steve Nash is still dealing with nerve damage stemming from the fractured left leg that sabotaged his first season with the Los Angeles Lakers, the 39-year-old point guard told reporters Monday.

"I'm still extremely optimistic," Nash said, coming off a win against the Atlanta Hawks in which he contributed 13 points, 6 assists and 0 turnovers in 29 minutes. "I just think maybe the level of health is different. It is going to be a day to day struggle for me and that's something I'm up for though, and I'm optimistic that if I don't have any freak situations again I can try to get on top on all of these things.

"Really, I'm still fighting things that happened because of the broken leg, with all of the nerve issues. So, it is what it is. I'm optimistic still that I can get to the highest level I can get at this stage. I think if [Sunday] night is an indication if I can get up another level or two, I'm going to be pretty effective."

When asked if the nerves cause him to feel "tingling" or "hurt," Nash said "both, in different scenarios."

Nash missed 32 games during the regular season last year and had to sit out the final two games of the Lakers' first-round sweep against the San Antonio Spurs after receiving several epidurals as a last-ditch effort to try to alleviate some of the pain in his hip and groin, stemming from the leg injury, that prevented him to even be able to sprint last spring.

"I still feel that almost every day all over," Nash said of the nerve discomfort. "It's not just in that spot [in his left leg]. It's like the nerve system and nerve roots are on guard. So the whole system in a way is different now. It's just a little more sensitive and you face different things because of it. So, freaky, freaky thing, but I can't complain. I'm still playing basketball and I'm still effective and I can get better physically and my game will come around the more I play."

Nash was limited by a sore left ankle and stiff neck during the preseason, averaging 4.0 points and 3.6 assists against 1.7 turnovers in 18.4 minutes per game while shooting 42.3 percent from the field.

He has improved slightly in the regular season, averaging 7.0 points and 5.3 assists against 1.7 turnovers in 24.3 minutes per game, but he is shooting just 29.2 percent overall. He also only played in three of the Lakers' four games so far, with coach Mike D'Antoni choosing to sit him out when the team played the second night of a back-to-back against the Golden State Warriors.

The 18-year veteran said he is working daily with Judy Seto, the Lakers' head physical therapist, in order to try to get his body right for the long haul.

"She's tremendous," Nash said. "She relieves as much of the issues I'm facing as [she] can and the rest is just recovery time and doing everything I can to prepare to do the best I can."


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Sirron on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:42 pm

white guys and their excessive whining

don't ever hear Kobe whine

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:36 pm

Doc Brown wrote:The only bad contracts the Raptors have are Landry Fields and Novak.

Fields at 6.5 million next year
Novak at 3.5 million for the next two - Or the same cost to stretch Nash's contract if we went that route

Otherwise if they want to give up Lowry, Gay, Derozan, Johnson , Ill take those guys in a heartbeat over Nash. We should send them Pau as well and try to get as much young talent from the Raps to be honest.

Agreed completely.. I just don't see why they'd trade for Nash without value added to him. I don't think they're taking on Nash unless they can unload Gay.. & if they get rid of Gay I would assume they'll hold onto Derozan & Ross.. Leaves us with Lowry & Amir as attractive pieces to get thrown in with Rudy.. I think I'd have to give up Pau & Nash for Rudy/Lowry/Amir. We become better on both sides of the ball. Love to see Denver get involved.. They have a bunch of good players but need a 1A or B to go with Lawson.. Get them to take on Rudy & send Gallo or Chandler to Toronto to get us Derozan & Faried. Lowry/DeRozan/24/Faried/Kaveman with Young/X/Farmar/Hill/Williams off the bench.. Right back in the hunt.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Barnstable on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:50 pm

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Please let this happen.

I'd only do it with Steve's blessing. If that's something he would be willing to do for us and for himself, then I'd do it.

Call me naive, but I've got a real sense of honor about these things. Steve came here for us so he could contribute to a championship team. He wanted to help us so badly. Things didn't work out that way, but I'd like to honor him the way he honored us by asking to come here.

That being said... it's not working out. I'd definitely ask him if he'd be willing or if that's something he wants to do. I know that he also wanted to play in Toronto for his country. We could make that happen and that could be his contribution here. We'd still appreciate his effort and heart here.

I wouldn't trade him though without his input.


+1 on this. Lakers should be classy and of course check with him. But I'm also down for this move. Nash may be open to it because he had talked with Toronto before he signed with us. Of course now his family is in LA so it may be a no go.


You're remembering that glorious time. The pre-Jimmy years of legend, where we had a man at the helm that respected the game and made solid decisions.

Nowadays, I would be surprised... but not too surprised... if Nash got done like Caron Butler and he hears he got traded through Sports Center.

But +2 for doing the right thing by Nash, and respecting the wishes of an all time great.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby jlkr on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:19 pm

Really think it's pipe to trade two old farts for a bunch of young guns, even they are flawed in their own way. What the heck would Leiweke be thinking of Ujiri if Ujiri took that trade? Remember Leiweke's been around the Lakers and Mitch...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:05 pm

Sirron wrote:white guys and their excessive whining

don't ever hear Kobe whine

suck it up


dude really? :man3:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby NewDynasty on Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:50 am

Sirron wrote:white guys and their excessive whining

don't ever hear Kobe whine

suck it up

Derrick rose and wade are early white. Good point!

To compare anyone to Kobe in current NBA regarding playing through injures is a travesty
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby DuddlyDoRight on Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:23 am

Juronimo wrote:
Sirron wrote:white guys and their excessive whining

don't ever hear Kobe whine

suck it up


dude really? :man3:
not funny.


Lighten up,

besides, at the rec, the black guys are the ones who always cry foul when they are losing :)
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:29 am

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:45 am

Yeah... let's cool it with that guys.

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby XXIV on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:48 pm

Magic Skywalker wrote:This thread is racist!


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:13 am

0-15 from mid-range ... TERRIBLE whether the floor is white or black
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby raviator on Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:57 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:0-15 from mid-range


I think it's time for him to either sit for a spell or just come off the bench in favor of younger more energetic legs. I was hoping a summer of rest would work. I'm no doctor but if he's still suffering from nerve damage, then that sounds like something that's not going to go away anytime soon. I respect Nash, always have always will, but it's been stated again and again, father time is undefeated and Nash is loosing this battle badly.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:12 am

Free up Jordan Farmar for time and development.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:23 am

Free up Jordan Farmar for time and development.


I agree with therealdeal.

It might be time to sit him down for a while. We're not going anywhere anyway and it's painfully obvious he can't even come close to doing what he was able to do in the past. Start Jordan and make Blake the backup 2.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:14 pm

I love Nash; but 15-18 minutes a game, max...he's putting us in a bind out there. He's not great defensively and not effecting the game on the offensive level at all...I'm actually excited for the NO Game seeing as that is a back to back, and he won't be playing...it's that bad when he's out there on BOTH ends...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:40 pm

Just watching him move these days is not fun. He is obviously effected by that nerve damage and when he doesn't' have the ball he just stops and stands there. On defense he is fully erect and isn't even bending his knees anymore.

Physically he's shot..... he's taking time from players that may be useful in the future if they can get time on the floor and he's not playing worth a damn when he does play.

Mid season retirement is my guess.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dj vitus on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:08 pm

I'll wait a few games, but if this continues, it would be best to start Blake (at his natural PG position for once) or Farmar and just bench Nash.

He still had some game last season, though very much declined from the season before... But this year I'm just not seeing anything in him anymore. :man5:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby SK8 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:21 pm

Of course...

This might sound repetitive but Steve Nash is not on the practice court today.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:57 pm

Our only hope of getting rid of Nash at this point is him wanting to retire in Phx or Toronto.. Other than that.. The only silver lining is that he'll retire after this season & hopefully agree to a buyout. Leaving us with the entire cap to spend minus a couple cheap contracts like Sacre/Johnson/Young if he opts in.. That'd be pretty crazy to see.. I think the last time a top team had almost their entire cap free was when we got rid of everyone to sign Shaq.. Only this time we have Kobe to bring back at a discount after :man12:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:11 pm

We need to use the Stretch provision if he decides not to retire after this season. Forget the fork, its time to grab the knife and excise this ridiculously written contract....3 years...Seriously?

Hey it wouldn't be the first time management throws money at a mistake only to throw more money at it to go away.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:52 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:We need to use the Stretch provision if he decides not to retire after this season. Forget the fork, its time to grab the knife and excise this ridiculously written contract....3 years...Seriously?

Hey it wouldn't be the first time management throws money at a mistake only to throw more money at it to go away.

If Howard isn't a jerk and Nash doesn't break the 2nd game of the year, we might compete for a ring. The Lakers last season did a great job of piling talent on a roster.

If we win a ring last season then Nash for 3 years is irrelevant. We've won a ring.

Obviously in retrospect it looks bad, but that's no reason to be upset at the front office. Hell, at the time of the signing Nash looked fine. Clearly near the end of his career, but still alright. No one knew he'd fall off this badly.

I agree though that Nash needs to retire. The sooner the better. He's clearly done and someone needs to tell him that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:18 pm

At the time, I thought 3 guaranteed years was excessive.

I guess what really soured me on Nash is that it opened the doors for MDA to arrive. :hurl:

I respect your opinion Real and I know many fans have the same feeling as you....however, I do not share the bravado you have for our FO. Things have headed south since Dr. Buss fell ill, yet we stayed afloat.... and then they completely capsized once he departed.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:32 pm

I'm not blind to their problems, but I'm not nearly as sure that the Laker FO is completely inept now.
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