Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:02 pm

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina 15m
Nash on being reevaluated after Jan. trip:"If it doesn't work this time, I really put the season in jeopardy. I'm really back to square one"
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I know it's bad, but I hope it does fail. It's just going to fail later anyway.

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Steve Nash: "I feel confident I have the chance to play again. It’s just a matter of how lucky am I, how strong can I get"
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Sounds like a man, realizing he's on the brink of retirement.

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina 19m
Steve Nash says he hoped to return during Lakers' long trip this month, but Lakers trainer Gary Vitti advised him he's not ready
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Nash: "I know I can get healthy. It's a matter of can I sustain it ... It's a matter of how strong I can get (to protect the nerve roots)."
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You have nerve damage. Getting muscle strength doesn't repair the damage that was done to the actual nerves.

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Nash spoke to a few beat writers for 12 min. or so. He's battling very hard to return, but acknowledged the season could be in jeopardy.
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2 week injury. :man10:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:53 pm

save him for post allstar closer to playoffs...if we even get to the playoffs which i doubt
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby 432J on Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:01 pm

and we all know if he was to come back, he'd make absolutely no difference anyways and would probably get hurt just as quick
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby nduri on Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:36 pm

lukewaltonsdad wrote:It don't matter anymore...he's done. If he comes back, he's not helping us at all...he's old, slow, and can't defend...actually, we might possibly get worse.


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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby LooN3y on Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:07 pm

dude needs to be crossing or faking guys out like crazy, because with his reduced speed, dude cant move any where with a ball without a screener 24/7.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby kblo247 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:31 pm

We tried to deal Nash for Turk - http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... s/4309517/

I'm not sure if our interest lied anywhere besides the fact getting rid of Nash salary with his deal and Paus with Bynum would be huge. He couldn't offer less than Shawne Williams though on some night
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby karacha on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:36 pm

No ,there's no other interest except getting rid of their salaries, and if we get lucky, we might get a pick or a young prospect. That's about it. And necessary if you ask me. If we got rid of those two contracts, I'd be ecstatic.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby kblo247 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:40 pm

I'd trade Nash for a half of an In and Out Burger. I understand he's not worth the fries, drink, or dressing
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:25 pm

He has become such a burden, it's almost like having Luke back on the team. Check that, it is like having Luke back on the team. How worthless has Nash become in his short time here?

His contract is toxic and if he's not playing there is no way we can trade that. Just stupid giving him a 3 year deal.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:36 pm

Glad to see that we were attempting to trade him for Hedo.. That would have been a much better trade & waive deal to get us out of the tax this season than the Gasol for Bynum deal. I think most fans have no expectations of Nash ever contributing to this team again.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:47 am

Lakers should push him to apply for the "career injury ending" retirement .

As he played less than 10 games , his salary wouldn't count against the cap and we would get under the tax apron

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There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion beginning:

If the player played 10 or more games1 in the current season, on the one-year anniversary of the player's last game.
If the player played fewer than 10 games1 in the current season, 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:00 am

Nash won't take a career ending injury this season. He's getting paid and might wonder if he can come back...so it makes no sense. "Pushing" a player to do that would probably be illegal.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby nduri on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:39 am

Well, Kendall Marshall needs a backup. So I guess Nash coming back isn't all bad. :man10:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby nduri on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:39 am

Well, Kendall Marshall needs a backup. So I guess Nash coming back isn't all bad. :man10:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:42 am

^^^Yea it is actually bad. If he comes back and plays more than 10 games, we can't get out of salary via medical retirement.

I'm rooting for Nash to never play another game in a Laker uniform. His contract and his play are a detriment to this team going forward.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:30 am

trodgers wrote:Nash won't take a career ending injury this season. He's getting paid and might wonder if he can come back...so it makes no sense. "Pushing" a player to do that would probably be illegal.


He would still get paid ... this money wouldn't count towards the salary cap though

He's done playing pro Ball so yeah it makes sense ... "try to convince" him if you prefer ...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:57 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
trodgers wrote:Nash won't take a career ending injury this season. He's getting paid and might wonder if he can come back...so it makes no sense. "Pushing" a player to do that would probably be illegal.


He would still get paid ... this money wouldn't count towards the salary cap though

He's done playing pro Ball so yeah it makes sense ... "try to convince" him if you prefer ...

I totes misunderstood you. Trying to convince someone to take a medical retirement is definitely different from forcing someone to retire. My bad.

BTW, didn't Cuttino Mobley sue a team for "trying to convince" him to take a Medical Retirement? It's still risky business.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:33 pm

trodgers wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:
trodgers wrote:Nash won't take a career ending injury this season. He's getting paid and might wonder if he can come back...so it makes no sense. "Pushing" a player to do that would probably be illegal.


He would still get paid ... this money wouldn't count towards the salary cap though

He's done playing pro Ball so yeah it makes sense ... "try to convince" him if you prefer ...

I totes misunderstood you. Trying to convince someone to take a medical retirement is definitely different from forcing someone to retire. My bad.

BTW, didn't Cuttino Mobley sue a team for "trying to convince" him to take a Medical Retirement? It's still risky business.


I honestly don't think they'd ever ask him to. I think Nash, if he couldn't make it back, would do it voluntarily. He's a stand up guy and it doesn't cost him anything.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:01 pm

Plan B is still the stretch provision, but I agree with the Doc on this one. We're at 6 games...

It was a great career, but its time to call it, Steve.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby KB24 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Can any player be more useless? I can't remember a Laker in the past decade stealing money like Nash. Not even Luke or Gump were this garbage. I don't even care about him at this point. He is a waste of time and oxygen at this point. Just go away asap.

He is like our Divac signing or McKie...just garbage but he gets paid a lot more.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:20 pm

Damn, you guys are harsh ...

Dude's hurt and trying to fight back because he loves playing the game. He's a consummate professional and he's always laid everything on the line for his franchise. Yes, in this case, he's done and it would probably be best for us if he retired. But when you're one of the greatest to ever play the game, it's difficult to look at the situation objectively and realize that. In Nash's eyes, retiring now would be quitting on his team. He still thinks he can contribute if he can just figure out a way to get healthy. (And although you guys have a weird memory about this, he WAS able to contribute when he was healthy last year. He was shooting efficiently and able to be an effective playmaker ... until he was neutered because Coward didn't wanna play P&R.) Now we all know that realistically he won't be able to find a clean bill of health again. If you've listened to his recent interviews, you'd know that Nash is slowly coming to terms with that fact as well. I'm confident he'll help the franchise out and retire at the end of the season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no extra benefit for our cap situation if he retires now or waits till the seasons over. You guys are just being impatient and letting your frustration with this mess of a season boil over into hatred for one of the classiest guys in the NBA.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:53 pm

Just in case any members here didnt know but if we do use the stretch provision Nash's salary would be $3 million on our books next year instead of $9 million.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:10 am

Helljumper wrote:Damn, you guys are harsh ...

Dude's hurt and trying to fight back because he loves playing the game. He's a consummate professional and he's always laid everything on the line for his franchise. Yes, in this case, he's done and it would probably be best for us if he retired. But when you're one of the greatest to ever play the game, it's difficult to look at the situation objectively and realize that. In Nash's eyes, retiring now would be quitting on his team. He still thinks he can contribute if he can just figure out a way to get healthy. (And although you guys have a weird memory about this, he WAS able to contribute when he was healthy last year. He was shooting efficiently and able to be an effective playmaker ... until he was neutered because Coward didn't wanna play P&R.) Now we all know that realistically he won't be able to find a clean bill of health again. If you've listened to his recent interviews, you'd know that Nash is slowly coming to terms with that fact as well. I'm confident he'll help the franchise out and retire at the end of the season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no extra benefit for our cap situation if he retires now or waits till the seasons over. You guys are just being impatient and letting your frustration with this mess of a season boil over into hatred for one of the classiest guys in the NBA.


Of course , there is ... his salary wouldn't count towards the cap if he retires for a "ending career injury" reason during the season... if he waits until the regular season is over , his salary would count ...

Unloading Pau or Nash , the two main ways we have to go under the tax apron ... which is key for the mid-term future ( I explained it in the Pau thread).

As for Nash contribution to our franchise , the negative outweighs the positive by a good margin ...

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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby earvinfr on Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:19 am

If Nash retires on career ending injury, does he still get his money through insurance ? If so, I really don't understand why he's still trying to come back !!
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Re: Nash Discussion: Forced to Consid- oh nevermind (180)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:05 am

Helljumper wrote:Damn, you guys are harsh ...

Dude's hurt and trying to fight back because he loves playing the game. He's a consummate professional and he's always laid everything on the line for his franchise. Yes, in this case, he's done and it would probably be best for us if he retired. But when you're one of the greatest to ever play the game, it's difficult to look at the situation objectively and realize that. In Nash's eyes, retiring now would be quitting on his team. He still thinks he can contribute if he can just figure out a way to get healthy. (And although you guys have a weird memory about this, he WAS able to contribute when he was healthy last year. He was shooting efficiently and able to be an effective playmaker ... until he was neutered because Coward didn't wanna play P&R.) Now we all know that realistically he won't be able to find a clean bill of health again. If you've listened to his recent interviews, you'd know that Nash is slowly coming to terms with that fact as well. I'm confident he'll help the franchise out and retire at the end of the season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no extra benefit for our cap situation if he retires now or waits till the seasons over. You guys are just being impatient and letting your frustration with this mess of a season boil over into hatred for one of the classiest guys in the NBA.


If he just retires at the end of the season that 9 million he is owed is still on the books. If he plays over 10 games this season we can't get a medical retirement for him and his money is still on the books.

If Nash wasn't making 9 million dollars + and Kobe didn't sign for 23.5 million next season it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

I want the Lakers to rebuild and contend as fast as possible, preferably before Kobe retires. Nash is a HUGE hindrance to that if he doesn't take a medical retirement. I want to win, more than I care about Nash coming back and seeing him play.

Nash might be a consummate pro and all that, but he's not a Laker to me, he's been here for less than 2 years and has given us nothing but frustration. I can respect that he's working hard and wants to see his last days as a pro out and on the court, but when it comes to his contract roadblocking the team from being able to assemble a winner.....

It's time to go. If medical retirement is a way to get out of that, so be it. I want rings, not farewell tours for players that made a living killing the Lakers during their career and came here in their twilight years and are struggling to hang on at that expense of the Lakers moving forward and building a winner.
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