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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:34 pm

therealdeal wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.

i made that opinion after he came back from his first injury and sucked & couldn't even deal with ball pressure causing the overload on kobe which he & MDA are responsible for ( 2 phx suns has beens). it wasn't hindsight it was in the moment i said he wasn't gonna deliver. one thing i will admit i am wrong on was thinking we should explore trading D12 i was wrong about that because he has gotten healthier and shown he is the future. Nash on the other hand i was right months ago the guy is shot. i admit when i am wrong others should too.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:38 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:59 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby TIME on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:09 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:20 pm

TIME wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


The cheese is old and moldy, can I go to the bathroom?


I don't even know what this means but I did :man10:


It's from Encino Man, IIRC.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:24 pm

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JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:26 pm

a day after our playoffs start, it took an Encino Man quote to finally make me crack a smile
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:07 pm

JGC wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.


Jrue Holiday is bad. Just an inefficient chucker that was gifted an All-star appearance because of that

And this hollywood clown doesn't know anything
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:33 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.

i made that opinion after he came back from his first injury and sucked & couldn't even deal with ball pressure causing the overload on kobe which he & MDA are responsible for ( 2 phx suns has beens). it wasn't hindsight it was in the moment i said he wasn't gonna deliver. one thing i will admit i am wrong on was thinking we should explore trading D12 i was wrong about that because he has gotten healthier and shown he is the future. Nash on the other hand i was right months ago the guy is shot. i admit when i am wrong others should too.


He has dealt with injuries off and on this year. The first and worst was freak. Where in the hell does that not figure into your performance evaluation?? Younger players don't get injured too? Stephen Curry, Rajon Rondo and pick one or two more young guards hurt this year, saying hello. Guess they suck too. :bang: You give the impression of someone more happy to be right in your head than whether or not it impacts the team in negative way. Props! :disagree:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:17 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
JGC wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.


Jrue Holiday is bad. Just an inefficient chucker that was gifted an All-star appearance because of that

And this hollywood clown doesn't know anything


So.... Holiday is Kobe 2.0 to you.....

As for your assessment of Hollywood...... Takes a clown to know a clown.....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:43 pm

Can you just put me on ignore already, your garbage posts are getting old
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:28 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Can you just put me on ignore already, your garbage posts are getting old


What?...... And deprive myself of wisdom like this

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:The Lakers are a top 5 defensive team without Kobe. It's UNREAL
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:35 pm

Why would you quote an accurate statement in an attempt to make me look bad? You're only making yourself look foolish
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:32 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Why would you quote an accurate statement in an attempt to make me look bad? You're only making yourself look foolish

The accuracy is surely debatable but that's not why I chose this one out of the many similar attempts.....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:03 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lotus on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:16 pm

He's 40yrs old and your body can easily fail, and more importantly, not return at that age. That should have been factored in. But, with a 3 yr contract, it looks like jimmy was too focused on "7 seconds or less" redux to notice.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:23 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.

i made that opinion after he came back from his first injury and sucked & couldn't even deal with ball pressure causing the overload on kobe which he & MDA are responsible for ( 2 phx suns has beens). it wasn't hindsight it was in the moment i said he wasn't gonna deliver. one thing i will admit i am wrong on was thinking we should explore trading D12 i was wrong about that because he has gotten healthier and shown he is the future. Nash on the other hand i was right months ago the guy is shot. i admit when i am wrong others should too.


He has dealt with injuries off and on this year. The first and worst was freak. Where in the hell does that not figure into your performance evaluation?? Younger players don't get injured too? Stephen Curry, Rajon Rondo and pick one or two more young guards hurt this year, saying hello. Guess they suck too. :bang: You give the impression of someone more happy to be right in your head than whether or not it impacts the team in negative way. Props! :disagree:

Yes i like being right like 99.9% of all human beings. the point is when your old you can't recover as fast and the odds of you getting injured again are greater. Look at nash he is now hobbled with something completely different than his early season injuries. Steph curry & rajon rondo don't play for the Lakers so who cares but to bust your point steph is back already and playing at a high high level. Nash is so old we don't even know the origin of his current injuries he is just hurting from and old man hamstring and hip i believe.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:28 pm

dj vitus wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?

yes because nash has missed almost 40 games...... yes 40 games....... thats virtually half the season. like they say the most important part of a players game is being available. if he can't play he is USELESS.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:01 am

What a cynical outlook as a fan. Derrick Rose sucks too then. He's been cleared. Nash is risking the hammy (not same level of injury granted) to give them what he has. His first game back as mentioned, he hits just a couple more of the looks he got and it would have been a great return. He plays well on Wed and further into the series, let's hope, with the corner you've painted yourself into..... I hope you will be happy about it rather than look for ways to discount it anyways. Whatever.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:22 am

If your assessment of him was that he was a failure when he came back from injury, I would say that's both fair and unfair.

Fair because he wasn't doing very well when he came back (although he became our best shooter). But unfair because injuries dictated his play, not necessarily the fact that he's a bad basketball player now.

You're right, the combination of age/injury hasn't done him any favors this season. And without Kobe, Nash becomes a liability in a lot of ways.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:33 am

therealdeal wrote:If your assessment of him was that he was a failure when he came back from injury, I would say that's both fair and unfair.

Fair because he wasn't doing very well when he came back (although he became our best shooter). But unfair because injuries dictated his play, not necessarily the fact that he's a bad basketball player now.

You're right, the combination of age/injury hasn't done him any favors this season. And without Kobe, Nash becomes a liability in a lot of ways.


Why are people taking what i say about nash personal? nash is supposed to be a future HOF'er he should be able to take the heat. Kobe gets slammed all the time for what he does wrong even when it is right. nash should be held to the fire just the same as 24 & pau. people need to admit that the steve nash experiment has been a tremendous failure this season period. he has not delivered whether it's due to injury or being old as dirt or both. I hate to say it if we keep him and depend on him to deliver next year the same thing will happen he will get nagging injuries all year again.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:03 am

dj vitus wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?


His shooting has been pretty good, I'll give him that. But let's not give him a pat on the back for the reduced TO shall we? His turnovers are down by about 1, because his assists are down by about 4 or 5, not because he's been taking better care of the ball. In fact, his AST:TO ratio might be one of his worst ever.

As underwhelming as Nash has been, I still can't seem to wrap my head around why he wouldn't still be light years of improvement over Derek Fisher who we had for most of the season last year. (And when I say improvement, I mean, impact to the team). We have Dwight and Nash and Kobe had to arguably work HARDER this year than last year. Makes no sense.

Here's a link to a thread back in January about which point guards one would take over Nash. Having the same discussion just a few months later, would be interesting. Nash is the same point guard in January as he is in April so....

lakers-discussion/dwight-kobe-t136889-150.html?hilit=jrue#p3786526
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:57 am

hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:If your assessment of him was that he was a failure when he came back from injury, I would say that's both fair and unfair.

Fair because he wasn't doing very well when he came back (although he became our best shooter). But unfair because injuries dictated his play, not necessarily the fact that he's a bad basketball player now.

You're right, the combination of age/injury hasn't done him any favors this season. And without Kobe, Nash becomes a liability in a lot of ways.


Why are people taking what i say about nash personal? nash is supposed to be a future HOF'er he should be able to take the heat. Kobe gets slammed all the time for what he does wrong even when it is right. nash should be held to the fire just the same as 24 & pau. people need to admit that the steve nash experiment has been a tremendous failure this season period. he has not delivered whether it's due to injury or being old as dirt or both. I hate to say it if we keep him and depend on him to deliver next year the same thing will happen he will get nagging injuries all year again.

Because you're bagging on a guy that's had probably the worst luck of his career. People will naturally defend him. I tend to agree with your assessment.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:47 am

JGC wrote:
dj vitus wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?


His shooting has been pretty good, I'll give him that. But let's not give him a pat on the back for the reduced TO shall we? His turnovers are down by about 1, because his assists are down by about 4 or 5, not because he's been taking better care of the ball. In fact, his AST:TO ratio might be one of his worst ever.

As underwhelming as Nash has been, I still can't seem to wrap my head around why he wouldn't still be light years of improvement over Derek Fisher who we had for most of the season last year. (And when I say improvement, I mean, impact to the team). We have Dwight and Nash and Kobe had to arguably work HARDER this year than last year. Makes no sense.

Here's a link to a thread back in January about which point guards one would take over Nash. Having the same discussion just a few months later, would be interesting. Nash is the same point guard in January as he is in April so....

lakers-discussion/dwight-kobe-t136889-150.html?hilit=jrue#p3786526


WTH?? Wat? Here....I bet you never thought of this.....let me help then in the friendly spirit of CL. He has been..... wait for it.... HURT most of the season. With guys like he's never played with before who don't move much or shoot well.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:14 am

LTLakerFan wrote:
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dj vitus wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?


His shooting has been pretty good, I'll give him that. But let's not give him a pat on the back for the reduced TO shall we? His turnovers are down by about 1, because his assists are down by about 4 or 5, not because he's been taking better care of the ball. In fact, his AST:TO ratio might be one of his worst ever.

As underwhelming as Nash has been, I still can't seem to wrap my head around why he wouldn't still be light years of improvement over Derek Fisher who we had for most of the season last year. (And when I say improvement, I mean, impact to the team). We have Dwight and Nash and Kobe had to arguably work HARDER this year than last year. Makes no sense.

Here's a link to a thread back in January about which point guards one would take over Nash. Having the same discussion just a few months later, would be interesting. Nash is the same point guard in January as he is in April so....

lakers-discussion/dwight-kobe-t136889-150.html?hilit=jrue#p3786526


WTH?? Wat? Here....I bet you never thought of this.....let me help then in the friendly spirit of CL. He has been..... wait for it.... HURT most of the season. With guys like he's never played with before who don't move much or shoot well.


Shouldn't a hurt Steve Nash still make the team better than a Derek Fisher?

I mean, are you really saying he's played as good as you expected him to play, given the circumstances?
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