Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby XXIV on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:42 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:Would be nice if he retired after next year....then we'll have a boat load of cash to spend....with or without Howard we'll have either 40M or 60M to spend....Nash really has been a colossal waste since we got him so I really hope he makes up for it next year by playing all 82 games and being the point guard we all expected him to be....


Expecting him to play all 82 is a bit absurd considering the type of season he just had. I feel anywhere around the 60 range would be fine with me.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Weezy on Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:54 am

I keep forgetting he's on our team, he had such a forgettable season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:56 am

Nash hasn't played all 82 since 2002-2003. Since 2009-2010 he's missed games every year. 81, 75, 62 (lockout year out of 66 games), 50.

To think he will play all 82 is wishful thinking.

That's why I keep saying we need a better backup PG than Blake who can play consistently for all 82 because Nash isn't going to playing all 82 at 30 mins a night. Realistically we should be looking at 65 at 28 minutes a night. And that is frustrating when we are paying 9 million dollars for that type of production.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby karacha on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:00 am

Hopefully, he can play close to 70. 65-70 could be realistic if he gets healthy this summer.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby XXIV on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:08 am

Having a reliable backup point guard will definitely help Nash in being healthy throughout the season. While Blake played like how most of us expected him to when we first signed him, he's proven to be injury prone and we can't have our starting and back up guards be out again for most of the season similar to last season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby karacha on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:40 am

Unfortunately, most PGs are injury prone. Just like centers.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:02 am

Nash on the mend

By Nick Borges | ESPN.com

Steve Nash was hindered for most of 2012-13 and after being knocked out of the playoffs in the first round he's been able to concentrate on getting healthy for next season. So far his recovery is going well.

"I'm fighting every day to get back to 100 percent and I think I'll be able to play in both events," Nash told the Los Angeles Daily News regarding his two charity soccer games. "Most important, by the time season comes around I'll be 100 percent and be in a great position to have a great year. I'm still rehabbing now, but I should be good to go and plan on playing in both."

Nash will be listed as the starting point guard when training camp begins, however it could be his last if he has health issues again in 2013-14. He is signed through 2014-15, but could be released next summer to open up more salary cap room in 2014.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:10 am

He can be released next summer? I thought his contract was guaranteed?

Anyway, it's good to hear he's healing up. A healthy Nash would have been nice last season... We didn't have one all year besides the first 6 quarters of the season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby XXIV on Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:08 pm

^ His contract is guaranteed it must be a mistake on the writers part.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:37 am

Nash to play limited minutes?

By Nick Borges | ESPN.com

Steve Nash was hindered for most of this past season due to various injuries. Lakers head trainer Garry Vitti wants Nash to be healthy in 2013-14 and he's likely to put a limit on how many minutes the aging point guard should average per game.

"I think he's going to come back in great shape, and then it's all about how he's used. You don't want to beat him up in practice. Save it for the game, figure out the appropriate minutes that put him in a successful situation," Vitti told Lakers.com. "The example I use is Robert Horry, where we played him a lot of minutes, and it was difficult for him to recover and be productive at his age. But he goes to San Antonio, plays 18 minutes a game, and the guy was an unbelievable force off the bench for them. I think if we figure out how best to use Steve, he can be the same way."

Nash has spent the offseason working with his long-time therapist and he expects to be fully fit by the time training camp begins in the fall. The Lakers clearly need Steve Blake to play better next season, so Nash doesn't have to play big minutes. Blake's contract expires in 2014 and one of the Lakers' priorities is to find a young point guard that can take the big minutes moving forward.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Weezy on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:48 am

That's just how it's going to have to be, he's old. It's going to have to be the same for Kobe too, less minutes per game than he had averaged in a long, long time. I hope 'Antoni can get our players to do it and doesn't run them into the ground again to save himself. Hopefully we get a better back up PG, I don't trust Blake to stay healthy and he's not exactly young either.
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Re: Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:55 pm

Apparently Nash is having an interview today on 710, see Doc's post below for the quotes

I find the bit about Dwight being uninterested in playing pick n roll very telling, most of the season you could see that Dwight was uninterested in everything. Also, I've read conflicting reports on Metta today, that the lakers haven't decided if they will amnesty him, and that he's as good as gone. I don't know if Nash is going off what the interviewers asked or if he knows Metta is gone.

I didn't know he was going to be on, so I didn't hear the interview, but I'm sure there will be a link for it later or a recap we can steal from LG or somewhere.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:07 pm

I heard the first part of it. The part where Dwight was uninterested in the pick and roll. It's funny because he brought up immediately how the Rockets run pick and roll sets so... Yeah good luck with that. :man10:

I didn't hear what he had to say about Metta though. I heard that John Black said the Lakers are still making that decision, so I don't think he's amnestied just yet.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:27 pm

I have no idea why my post will not show up in the quote format, I apologize for the ugly layout due to that. If anyone can figure it out feel free to let me know what the deal is.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Phil XI on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:29 pm

They can't pull the amnesty trigger until tomorrow anyway. Maybe Kobe's got them rethinking it?
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:29 pm

@DuranSports: Steve Nash "didnt think Dwight was comfortable here...wish him best and we move on"


@janiscarr: Nash: "He (Dwight) never quite felt comfortable ... and I don't think that was anybody's fault."


@LakersReporter: Here's @SteveNash on @DwightHoward (on @ESPNLA710): "Ultimately I think Dwight wasn't comfortable (in L.A.) and didn't want to be here."


@LakersReporter: Nash said a big part of the problem last season was that he, @paugasol and Howard weren't themselves - all season - due to injuries.


@LakersReporter: A consistent problem Nash mentioned all season/reiterated on @ESPNLA710 was Howard's being unwilling/uninterested in running pick and roll.


@janiscarr: Nash on D'Antoni: "I think he's a very bright coach. He's not w/o flaws, but none of us are."


@LakersReporter: Nash on D'Antoni: "I think he's a very bright coach … we all should be judged by the fans, it's their team, and we have a lot to prove."


@janiscarr: Nash: "We cant blame Mike for everything."
Dang.


@janiscarr: Nash on Metta: "One of the coolest guys, nice people....this is a world class guy.
"It was a pleasure to play with him."


@janiscarr: Nash on waiving Metta "Its tough to lose a guy like that. ... You don't like to see a guy like that go." Called Metta "hard-nosed."


@LakersReporter: Nash said he plans on being "100%" healthy heading into next season. Was very disappointing for him that he couldn't get there last year.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:32 pm

Phil XI wrote:They can't pull the amnesty trigger until tomorrow anyway. Maybe Kobe's got them rethinking it?

Probably.

I mean they have to think about what's out there and available. I know they want to save the money on a team that's not likely to do well anyway but... you still need to field a team and there's really not enough out there in our price range to make a full team...

If he's gone we'll be seeing a lot of some scrub guys out there.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Ludachris on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:33 pm

therealdeal wrote:I heard the first part of it. The part where Dwight was uninterested in the pick and roll. It's funny because he brought up immediately how the Rockets run pick and roll sets so... Yeah good luck with that. :man10:

I didn't hear what he had to say about Metta though. I heard that John Black said the Lakers are still making that decision, so I don't think he's amnestied just yet.

Yeah, but since Dwight chose Houston he'll run what they ask him to run - whether it be pick and rolls, whatever.... until he's unhappy again. Then he'll sulk up and down the court and demand the offense be run through him in the low post. And when they don't do everything he wants, he'll put out vague messages in interviews about how they need to work more on their chemistry, while sources close to Howard tell the media he's not comfortable with the system. The same song and dance that has gone on with him the past 3 seasons now. He's a nice enough guy, but nice guys can be just as cancerous as those with terrible attitudes.

Love how Nash put that out there. It was obvious to everyone that the pick and roll was what would work here, and yet, Howard really didn't want to do it. Don't understand it. His way or no way.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:34 pm

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therealdeal wrote:I heard the first part of it. The part where Dwight was uninterested in the pick and roll. It's funny because he brought up immediately how the Rockets run pick and roll sets so... Yeah good luck with that. :man10:

I didn't hear what he had to say about Metta though. I heard that John Black said the Lakers are still making that decision, so I don't think he's amnestied just yet.

Yeah, but since Dwight chose Houston he'll run what they ask him to run - whether it be pick and rolls, whatever.... until he's unhappy again. Then he'll sulk up and down the court and demand the offense be run through him in the low post. And when they don't do everything he wants, he'll put out vague messages in interviews about how they need to work more on their chemistry, while sources close to Howard tell the media he's not comfortable with the system. The same song and dance that has gone on with him the past 3 seasons now. He's a nice enough guy, but nice guys can be just as cancerous as those with terrible attitudes.

Love how Nash put that out there. It was obvious to everyone that the pick and roll was what would work here, and yet, Howard really didn't want to do it. Don't understand it. His way or no way.

I agree with everything you said. He'll try harder in Houston because it's the place he chose. Finally.

But he'll never change who he is: a whiny child.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:37 pm

Thanks for that Doc, I didn't want to do the work of separating each quote on my phone, and it was working at first as all one quote until I added one of those quotes in there that must have messed it up, just couldn't figure out which one.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby gcclaker on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:44 pm

Ludachris wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I heard the first part of it. The part where Dwight was uninterested in the pick and roll. It's funny because he brought up immediately how the Rockets run pick and roll sets so... Yeah good luck with that. :man10:

I didn't hear what he had to say about Metta though. I heard that John Black said the Lakers are still making that decision, so I don't think he's amnestied just yet.

Yeah, but since Dwight chose Houston he'll run what they ask him to run - whether it be pick and rolls, whatever.... until he's unhappy again. Then he'll sulk up and down the court and demand the offense be run through him in the low post. And when they don't do everything he wants, he'll put out vague messages in interviews about how they need to work more on their chemistry, while sources close to Howard tell the media he's not comfortable with the system. The same song and dance that has gone on with him the past 3 seasons now. He's a nice enough guy, but nice guys can be just as cancerous as those with terrible attitudes.

Love how Nash put that out there. It was obvious to everyone that the pick and roll was what would work here, and yet, Howard really didn't want to do it. Don't understand it. His way or no way.

They never did mesh. I still see their argument on the court during one particular game where Howard was pointing up while Nash was telling the latter to hold his hands out ready for a catch.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Ludachris on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:24 pm

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therealdeal wrote:I heard the first part of it. The part where Dwight was uninterested in the pick and roll. It's funny because he brought up immediately how the Rockets run pick and roll sets so... Yeah good luck with that. :man10:

I didn't hear what he had to say about Metta though. I heard that John Black said the Lakers are still making that decision, so I don't think he's amnestied just yet.

Yeah, but since Dwight chose Houston he'll run what they ask him to run - whether it be pick and rolls, whatever.... until he's unhappy again. Then he'll sulk up and down the court and demand the offense be run through him in the low post. And when they don't do everything he wants, he'll put out vague messages in interviews about how they need to work more on their chemistry, while sources close to Howard tell the media he's not comfortable with the system. The same song and dance that has gone on with him the past 3 seasons now. He's a nice enough guy, but nice guys can be just as cancerous as those with terrible attitudes.

Love how Nash put that out there. It was obvious to everyone that the pick and roll was what would work here, and yet, Howard really didn't want to do it. Don't understand it. His way or no way.

They never did mesh. I still see their argument on the court during one particular game where Howard was pointing up while Nash was telling the latter to hold his hands out ready for a catch.

Not that they really had much time to mesh given all the injuries. It would have taken a full season realistically. This season would have been where they really clicked, if they were going to. But I don't know that Howard really ever had his heart in it with this team. Body language says a lot and his body language told more than his play or his interviews combined.

I know not many people are big on Odom, and neither am I right now to be honest. But if Odom could get back in shape it would be really fun to see him play with Nash... even at this stage of his career. I just don't know if he has anything left, or if Nash can stay healthy. But those two passers would be pretty entertaining (on the offensive side at least).
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby borri on Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:58 pm

LOL Coward was unwilling to play pick n roll. Good lord what a primadona.

So glad now that he's gone. To put it into perspective, Lebron, Wade, Bosh...KG, PP and Allen...ALL changed their games for the benefit of the team.

I think it's safe to say that Coward IS the biggest crybaby primadona in the entire league.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby LOSLAKERS on Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:15 pm

borri wrote:LOL Coward was unwilling to play pick n roll. Good lord what a primadona.

So glad now that he's gone. To put it into perspective, Lebron, Wade, Bosh...KG, PP and Allen...ALL changed their games for the benefit of the team.

I think it's safe to say that Coward IS the biggest crybaby primadona in the entire league.


perfect example of a guy that wants and to some extent expects a championship to just be given to him on a good team. doesnt want to put in any effort.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:31 pm

LOSLAKERS wrote:
borri wrote:LOL Coward was unwilling to play pick n roll. Good lord what a primadona.

So glad now that he's gone. To put it into perspective, Lebron, Wade, Bosh...KG, PP and Allen...ALL changed their games for the benefit of the team.

I think it's safe to say that Coward IS the biggest crybaby primadona in the entire league.


perfect example of a guy that wants and to some extent expects a championship to just be given to him on a good team. doesnt want to put in any effort.

The saddest part of it all, well, for Dwight & the Rockets anyway.. Is that he went to the team that sold him the most on being able to win with him just being him.. Just show up & be Dwight Howard & we can win championships.. Perfect recipe to never win anything. The comment by Kobe about how Dwight should be a better version of Tyson Chandler & all of his other comments about adjustments Dwight needed to make were right on track. He needs to focus on defense & rebounding, & forget about touches if he ever wants to win a championship..

But obviously that isn't what he wanted to hear.. He wanted to hear that he's good enough to be the man & lead a team to a title right now, & that's exactly what Houston sold him on.. Better them than us.
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