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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:14 pm

I love Nash; but 15-18 minutes a game, max...he's putting us in a bind out there. He's not great defensively and not effecting the game on the offensive level at all...I'm actually excited for the NO Game seeing as that is a back to back, and he won't be playing...it's that bad when he's out there on BOTH ends...
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:40 pm

Just watching him move these days is not fun. He is obviously effected by that nerve damage and when he doesn't' have the ball he just stops and stands there. On defense he is fully erect and isn't even bending his knees anymore.

Physically he's shot..... he's taking time from players that may be useful in the future if they can get time on the floor and he's not playing worth a damn when he does play.

Mid season retirement is my guess.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dj vitus on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:08 pm

I'll wait a few games, but if this continues, it would be best to start Blake (at his natural PG position for once) or Farmar and just bench Nash.

He still had some game last season, though very much declined from the season before... But this year I'm just not seeing anything in him anymore. :man5:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby SK8 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:21 pm

Of course...

This might sound repetitive but Steve Nash is not on the practice court today.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:57 pm

Our only hope of getting rid of Nash at this point is him wanting to retire in Phx or Toronto.. Other than that.. The only silver lining is that he'll retire after this season & hopefully agree to a buyout. Leaving us with the entire cap to spend minus a couple cheap contracts like Sacre/Johnson/Young if he opts in.. That'd be pretty crazy to see.. I think the last time a top team had almost their entire cap free was when we got rid of everyone to sign Shaq.. Only this time we have Kobe to bring back at a discount after :man12:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:11 pm

We need to use the Stretch provision if he decides not to retire after this season. Forget the fork, its time to grab the knife and excise this ridiculously written contract....3 years...Seriously?

Hey it wouldn't be the first time management throws money at a mistake only to throw more money at it to go away.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:52 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:We need to use the Stretch provision if he decides not to retire after this season. Forget the fork, its time to grab the knife and excise this ridiculously written contract....3 years...Seriously?

Hey it wouldn't be the first time management throws money at a mistake only to throw more money at it to go away.

If Howard isn't a jerk and Nash doesn't break the 2nd game of the year, we might compete for a ring. The Lakers last season did a great job of piling talent on a roster.

If we win a ring last season then Nash for 3 years is irrelevant. We've won a ring.

Obviously in retrospect it looks bad, but that's no reason to be upset at the front office. Hell, at the time of the signing Nash looked fine. Clearly near the end of his career, but still alright. No one knew he'd fall off this badly.

I agree though that Nash needs to retire. The sooner the better. He's clearly done and someone needs to tell him that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:18 pm

At the time, I thought 3 guaranteed years was excessive.

I guess what really soured me on Nash is that it opened the doors for MDA to arrive. :hurl:

I respect your opinion Real and I know many fans have the same feeling as you....however, I do not share the bravado you have for our FO. Things have headed south since Dr. Buss fell ill, yet we stayed afloat.... and then they completely capsized once he departed.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:32 pm

I'm not blind to their problems, but I'm not nearly as sure that the Laker FO is completely inept now.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby DarthRekal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:35 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:41 pm

Dare we say, he had shades of the real Nash at times tonight. Not most of the time, but some of the time.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby The Original 81 on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:44 pm

Yeah he defintely looked better tonight, had a few shots rim in abd out, hopefully he starts to look like this more often.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:56 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Dare we say, he had shades of the real Nash at times tonight. Not most of the time, but some of the time.

I saw it too,there were times he was playing with a hop in his step. It looked good. Hit a few of those jumpers that rolled out and he has a strong game. A couple of uncharacteristic TO's but it'll get better
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:59 pm

This is the ceiling for him though. And if that's the case, we need a lot more minutes for Farmar. Farmar is the only guy on our team who is proficient passing the ball AND attacking the basket.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:15 am

Speaking of Farmar solid game IMO. 11 points 7 assists, 5 rebounds. Not a perfect game shooting or taking care of the ball but you can't really ask for more on the road. He needs more minutes.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:24 am

Lin isn't exactly fast & Beverly just isn't that good.. I think we just saw a crafty vet take advantage of 1 of the rare easy games at the PG position. Farmar & Blake also looked good.. Houston's defense isn't great unless you're attacking the rim.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby borri on Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:04 am

LOL, Nash got away with a bear hug on Lin to free up Blake. They replayed on TNT a couple times and i was laughing my arse off.

Nash you wiley old vet. He was sooooooo discreet about it too. No way a ref would have seen it unless they were specifically looking for it.

Stu always says, Nash sets the best screens in the NBA. Now i know why. :bow:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Ras Algethi on Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:28 am

borri wrote:LOL, Nash got away with a bear hug on Lin to free up Blake. They replayed on TNT a couple times and i was laughing my arse off.

Nash you wiley old vet. He was sooooooo discreet about it too. No way a ref would have seen it unless they were specifically looking for it.

Stu always says, Nash sets the best screens in the NBA. Now i know why. :bow:


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:09 am

hopefully he gets healthier and finds his shot. but his IQ will never go away and he'll find ways to help the team win like the HOF player he is.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:01 am

Nash is a solid screener ... the screen on Lin was very John Stockton-esque
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:16 am

That was a great illegal screen on Nash.... with all the whistles last night that was the one infraction that was ignored all night. Parsons and Pau were doing walking screens all night. Good to see the consistency in officiating at the end.... :jam2:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby charvin on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:17 am

Rooscooter wrote:That was a great illegal screen on Nash.... with all the whistles last night that was the one infraction that was ignored all night. Parsons and Pau were doing walking screens all night. Good to see the consistency in officiating at the end.... :jam2:


That officiating was terrible throughout. It slowed the game down so much, but yes, thankfully they didn't call squat on that at the end.

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Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:51 am

Credit where due: Nash had a solid first half and did a great job running the point last night.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:04 am

Steve Nash has seen it all during his 18-year NBA career, but nothing as daunting as what he is facing now.

He's facing the inevitable, the way they all do. He's facing the end.

At 39, Nash is coming off an injury-ravaged season that saw him miss 32 games with physical ailments ranging from his hip/hamstring to chronic back pain to a fractured leg that cost him 24 of those games – an injury that continues to cause lingering pain due to nerve damage.

It's a daily struggle for Nash, a two-time MVP and eight-time All-Star, just to get his body ready to play as the Lakers try to avoid a lost season with Dwight Howard in Houston and Kobe Bryant trying to return from a ruptured Achilles' tendon. There are hours of rehab and physical therapy, rest and ice, as well as the mental challenges that come with all of the above. Ask Nash how he's feeling these days, and he'll shrug and say, “Same old. With the emphasis on old.”

He faces the struggle with the same determination that has made him one of the most overmatched physical specimens ever to reach NBA greatness – a first-ballot Hall of Famer and one of the best point guards ever to play. But even the ever-optimistic Nash can see the horizon – the finish line.

He has this season and next left on his contract with the Lakers, and despite the pain, Nash fully intends to see it through. In a series of conversations this week during the Lakers' trip to Texas – first in a small-group setting after LA's loss in Dallas on Tuesday night and then in a sitdown with CBSSports.com on Thursday in Houston -- Nash opened up about rebuilding at this stage of his career, the physical challenges he's facing and a word he's not ready to think about yet: retirement.

Q: Is it enjoyable at this stage to look forward to this type of process?

A: Yeah, if I can get the body to improve a little bit more, I can really enjoy it. I really want to play. I really want to be healthy enough to be effective. I'm just on that verge of trying to get over the hump physically. If I can do that, I'll really enjoy it

Q: With the team, what about just having patience?

A: We have no choice. I think the biggest thing for us is we knew that coming in with so many new faces … no Kobe or Dwight, that's just such a big difference from last year. We know that this is going to be a team that's going to continue to improve, hopefully, and find an identity, but it's going to take a lot of time. That's not something that just happens overnight.

Q: How difficult is it to be patient with the physical challenges you're going through right now?

A: It can be difficult some days, but you get a good night's sleep and you come back at it tomorrow. You've got to try to be as resilient as possible and hope all the work pays off.

Q: How do you measure progress with that?

A: It's a feel. Obviously, just being able to do to the things that I'm accustomed to doing and doing them with comfort and ease and repetition -- it's gotten better throughout camp, but it's still not there.

Q: You've been able to address the health issues and the age factor with humor. But at some point does it become a legitimate, serious discussion you have to have with yourself about how much longer you can do this?

A: Yeah, and I've got 18 months. So we'll see. Hopefully, I can get through 18 months and contribute and produce.

Q: You're talking about this season and next season?

A: Yeah, think about it, right? That's about 18 months. So I've got to find a way to get through that and prove to myself every day that I can contribute.

Q: Do you envision any set of circumstances that would cause you to say, ‘You know what? Next season is not going to happen? I'm not going to be able to be the player I want to be?'

A: I don't think so. I'm already not the player I want to be and just [have] a different body. My body's different. I'm still trying to adjust and adapt and get my body to accept a certain amount of the pounding and forces and be able to adjust my game and still be productive. I still feel like I've got a lot of life left without basketball so I'm going to try to enjoy it and make the most of these last 18-20 months, whatever it is.

Q: Can you give people some insight into exactly what it is you're going through just to get yourself ready to play – as far as therapy and treatments?

A: It's OK. I've accepted it and enjoy it and embrace it as a process. It's been educational and it definitely takes a lot of will power, but I don't mind making the sacrifice. The energy and effort and commitment is something that I enjoy. But going through the pain some days? Going through the pain combined with not being able to do what you want to do out there? That's the inevitable equation that everyone faces at the end of their career – or a lot of people face at the end of their career. That's something you have to deal with, but right now I still enjoy being a part of the team and trying to fight to give my team something.

Q: So in your mind, retirement is not a word that you …

A: No. I'm not there yet. No.


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken ... inevitable

Interesting Q&A with Nash; From Ken Berger
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:13 pm

Damn. Sounds like he has no intention of retiring right now...

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise? Maybe then we free up money in 2015? I don't know...
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