Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Chillbongo on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:07 pm

^ He doesn't want to take the "easy" way out. He's a professional and wants to contribute. He's getting paid big bucks to do so.

Unfortunately he doesn't look at it like we do. Sooner or later he'll realize what he needs to do. It may just take longer than we want it to.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:08 pm

Yeah, I hope when he visits the back specialist tomorrow he has that realization finally and decides to shut it down for good and hopefully retire.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:11 pm

The easy way out is playing 10-15 minutes twice every week. The hardest part is admitting to yourself that you are done and can't play the game anymore.

Nash needs to make that decision. He thinks the back pain and nerve problems are bad now? 20 years from now.....
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby noobiew on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:32 pm

Its time for him to hang it up and join the Lakers coaching staff.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:32 pm

retire please.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:43 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 pm

Doc Brown wrote:

One of the toughest players to play this game.

As for Nash... the writing on the wall is right in that video.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 pm

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Wow. This might be it.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 pm

What the hell….. the narrator in the video above mentions "2 ruptured achilles tendons" in addition to his back. When did that / those happen?? For real? How much time did he miss or is that a whack bit of information?
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:07 pm

I feel bad for him. He really wanted one more try at getting a ring. Last season was probably his best bet but things went terribly wrong. I know it's depressing for him as it is for us as fans watching.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby XXIV on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:12 pm

It's actually amazing he's lasted this long especially with that back injury. He's one of the great point guards to ever play this game, but when you're done it's best to just retire.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:35 pm

The back injury is pretty serious. Doesn't look good for Nash.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:49 pm

One of the worst trades in Lakers history
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby John3:16 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:07 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the worst trades in Lakers history


I was thinking the same thing. Especially with how bad we're gonna be and Phoenix is gonna reap the benefit of it. We use to be on the receiving end of those type of trades.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Ras Algethi on Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:14 am

A great guy and hof'er but he's done. Needs to hang it up.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby lakersyunowin on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:16 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the worst trades in Lakers history

too much of a gamble egged on by the cp3 fiasco. blew up in our faces big time. hindsight 20/20 and all that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:30 am

Time to retire. I hope he recovers and has a healthy second half of his life.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:51 am

John3:16 wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the worst trades in Lakers history


I was thinking the same thing. Especially with how bad we're gonna be and Phoenix is gonna reap the benefit of it. We use to be on the receiving end of those type of trades.


Not necessarily, we have our pick this season which is likely when we'll be at our worst

So we should reap the benefits
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:49 am

The only thing bad about the trade at the time was giving Nash a 3 year contract. It should have been a year by year deal.

The worst trade was not trading Pau after the CP3 fiasco. We never lose our picks if we would have traded him to Houston for Dragic/Martin/Scola because we would have already had a PG.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby GNC on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:22 am

Doc Brown wrote:The only thing bad about the trade at the time was giving Nash a 3 year contract. It should have been a year by year deal.

The worst trade was not trading Pau after the CP3 fiasco. We never lose our picks if we would have traded him to Houston for Dragic/Martin/Scola because we would have already had a PG.


The cp3 bit still blows.. But why we never turned around and shipped pau to Houston is beyond me. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was obvious Pau was on the decline... even then.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:28 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Q: So in your mind, retirement is not a word that you …

A: No. I'm not there yet. No.


How about now? :man1:
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:35 am

It's hard for any professional athlete to admit the end is here...I feel for him. He's doing himself more harm than good right now though playing on those damaged nerves...I'm hoping someone from the organization or close to him can talk some sense into him...I hate to see him out there struggling every night.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:56 am

LOS ANGELES -- Someday, it might be appropriate to look back at the past four days of the Los Angeles Lakers' existence -- from playing Dwight Howard as an opponent Thursday to seeing Steve Nash being shut down because of back problems Sunday -- as the official death of the dream hatched in the summer of 2012 to get back to being a championship contender before Kobe Bryant's career came to a close.

But today is not that day.

Now is the time to simply appreciate what Nash -- a surefire, first-ballot Hall of Famer, the greatest basketball player ever to come out of his home country of Canada, a man who ranks No. 1 in career free throw percentage, No. 4 in total assists and No. 8 in 3-point accuracy in NBA history -- is going through as he sees the light at the end of the tunnel of his splendid career coming at him like a freight train going full speed.


And it's also time to realize the impact of what Nash's struggle has meant to his teammates who see Nash, the league's most-senior statesman at 39 years old, push himself on the daily to try to stay relevant in a game filled with budding stars who are, in some cases, literally half his age.

Nash tried the best he could Sunday in the Lakers' 113-90 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves. He added three assists in 13 minutes of play to that impressive career total of his. He made both free throws he attempted, a subtle reminder of his status above Mark Price atop the charity stripe list. He pointed to Pau Gasol in recognition of the big man's pass that found Nash in rhythm behind the 3-point arc on a fast break, and, even though he missed the shot, he chose to acknowledge the virtue of the feed of a teammate rather than wallow in the result of his own failed attempt.

But it wasn't working. Nash couldn't move the way he is supposed to. He couldn't get his body to cut as fast as his mind was seeing the seams in the defense he has been exploiting for the past 18 seasons. He couldn't help the Lakers stop the Wolves and their 23-year-old floor general, Ricky Rubio -- who was en route to a 12-point, 10-rebound, 14-assist, 5-steal triple-double -- looking like the type of all-around team player Nash was when he won back-to-back MVPs.

Mike D'Antoni, like a corner man who couldn't bear to see his fighter take another punch, put a stop to it. D'Antoni, who has coached the point guard off and on for the past decade since Nash was a 29-year old in his prime with the Phoenix Suns, just had to look at Nash and he knew.

"I'm concerned," D'Antoni said. "He was struggling physically tonight. You could just see it on his face. That's why I took him out and we shut him down, more or less.

"I just see his face. I've known him forever, and when he looks like that, he's trying to battle through something and just couldn't do it."

Nash, always putting the team first, didn't want to concede to his injuries because there was still a game to be played. The competitor in him wasn't ready to give up.

"That was probably foolish on my part that I didn’t [ask out]," Nash said. "But you don’t want to leave a game when you’re getting it handed to you. You want to try to stick [it through]."

Nash walked out of the arena on Sunday night knowing he has an appointment to see a back specialist Monday but having no idea when the next time he'll get to lace up his sneakers for a game again, or, if he does, if he'll ever get to feel some semblance of the player he once was.

"I’m a little emotional," Nash said. "It’s hard. I really want to play and I really want to play the way I am accustomed to playing. To be so limited is frustrating and also to not know where kind of a cleanish bill of health is [coming from] is a little daunting, too."

No matter that Nash is only averaging 6.7 points and 4.8 assists this season. The thought of not having him out there is daunting for his teammates, too.

"I appreciate his effort and his determination to play through the pain," said Steve Blake, who will be called on to pick up the slack at the point in Nash's absence. "So I love him for it."

Said Gasol: "It’s upsetting that he’s going through this type of injury again. I’m concerned because he’s my teammate. He’s a guy that can really help us because we need guys that can create shots for other people and make it easy for other guys. He’s a great playmaker, but, unfortunately, if you’re not healthy, no matter who you are, you’re not going to be able to do what you do."

Perhaps the most sobering reaction came from Jodie Meeks, who started the second half in place of Nash in the backcourt.

"Steve’s a professional," Meeks said. "He’s had a great career ..."

Meeks was speaking in the past perfect tense.

They'll all hate the day they have to start talking about Nash's career as something that is fully in the past.


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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Toklat on Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:52 am

I wish someone would take the "is he forked" out of the title line. It sounds very disrespectful for any player, especially so for what Nash is going through and how hard he is trying.
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Re: Nash Discussion: Is he forked? (167)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:02 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:It's hard for any professional athlete to admit the end is here...I feel for him. He's doing himself more harm than good right now though playing on those damaged nerves...I'm hoping someone from the organization or close to him can talk some sense into him...I hate to see him out there struggling every night.


I agree with you. He could be dealing with issues that have long term implications. I don't know what "nerve issues" are as I'm not in the medical field but it sounds bad.

He's had a hell of a career and I have the utmost respect for how hard he has worked to get to the level he played at. Unfortunately he just can't do what he used to.

Hopefully he'll make the wise decision regarding his health.
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