Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

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Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:51 am

Weezy wrote:I felt good for Nash for one game, on his birthday. Now I'm at the point where it's like really man, come on. I'm annoyed at him, I'm becoming less of a fan, and I'm losing respect for the guy. Is that a bit much, sure, but he's delusional right now if he thinks he can still play in the NBA, his body is not complying.



me too man..this is beyond stubborn...he needs to let it go
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:11 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:Well, he is now over the 10 game-mark so cap-relief this offseason is out of the question. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him medically retire after this season is done. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakers DO NOT stretch provision him. Unless LBJ is coming to town, it is actually better NOT to stretch him. Having Nash on the books for 9 million next year is better than sacrificing that 3 million in space for the next three seasons. Say we go after Stephenson for 11 million.

Kobe – 24
Stephenson – 11
Nash – 9
Rookie – 5

That’s 49 million. We get our mid-tier FA and our (hopefully) rookie stud and we toil in the 7-10 range for a season. Then in 2015 we have:

Kobe – 24
Stephenson – 12.5
Rookie – 5
Love – 17

That’s 59 million. If we stretch provision Nash, we’d be at 62 and dangerously close to the cap.

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby khmrP on Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:34 pm

IMO if Nash can let it be known pre-trade he'll retire after the season is over a team would be willing to give up some assets like picks to dump a half decent player on a bad contract, maybe a year or two remaining. Maybe say Boozer/Cha pick for Nash or something. Just wishful thinking but thats something that would benefit both team.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:39 pm

khmrP wrote:IMO if Nash can let it be known pre-trade he'll retire after the season is over a team would be willing to give up some assets like picks to dump a half decent player on a bad contract, maybe a year or two remaining. Maybe say Boozer/Cha pick for Nash or something. Just wishful thinking but thats something that would benefit both team.


Nash won't retire outright and forgo his salary. Would you? He has played over 10 games so the medical retirement situation and cap relief THIS offseason is off the table for us or anyone who trades for him. So essentially someone would be getting a 9 million dollar cap number for next season. No team wants that, and we certainly aren't going to take on a long term deal to get rid of him. Nash is stuck in LA for the remainder of his career, however long that may be.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:19 pm

I think he retires after the season. 30 games left, we're not going anywhere, he'll stick it out for essentially 2 more month then decide to retire, IMO.
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Postby TSpence26 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:31 pm

IF he decides to retire, do we still owe him his 9 million next year even though he is retired?
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:35 pm

If he retires voluntarily I believe the cash is gone completely. Not just from our pay roll, but he doesn't get any of it either.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:18 pm

TSpence26 wrote:IF he decides to retire, do we still owe him his 9 million next year even though he is retired?


If it's a medical retirement, yes. If not, then no. That's why there's a chance we watch Nash try to do this same thing next year.
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Postby Punk-101 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:22 pm

The ultimate thing for Nash to do would be to give the Lakers FO and team he's traded to a wink/nod that he'll convince doctors to approve medical retirement at the end of the year, so he'll be a 9 mil expiring trade piece as khmrP alluded.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:48 pm

Punk-101 wrote:The ultimate thing for Nash to do would be to give the Lakers FO and team he's traded to a wink/nod that he'll convince doctors to approve medical retirement at the end of the year, so he'll be a 9 mil expiring trade piece as khmrP alluded.


The number will still count against their cap next year. That's why it was such a big deal when he played in his 10th game because it eliminated the chance that we could get cap relief THIS summer with a medical retirement. He will still be an expiring contract next season for whoever we traded him to, but I'm not sure how much value those have. It would probably require Nash and whoever we pick in the draft to get an impact player.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:02 pm

I can't post links on this phone, but Nash has an interview with CBS 2 tonight and says he plans on continuning to play next year. If anyone could post it, please do.
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Postby karacha on Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:59 pm

Of course he does.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:14 pm

If Nash doesn't retire, plays next year, 'Antoni is still our coach, and we don't make some major strides this offseason, I'm not sure I have the stomach to watch next season. I mean get freaking real, Nash has played in parts of all of 10 games this season, is currently hurt again, but plans to play next season? F*** that, I'm starting to reach the levels of dislike I had back when he beat us as a Sun in the playoffs and stole an MVP award from Kobe.

Also, this quote Nash gave back during 2012 free agency is proving true

Nash also said, "For me, it would be hard to put on a Lakers jersey.


It is hard for him to put on a Lakers jersey when he's in a suit most of the time.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby dj vitus on Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:26 pm

Weezy wrote:If Nash doesn't retire, plays next year, 'Antoni is still our coach, and we don't make some major strides this offseason, I'm not sure I have the stomach to watch next season.

Somehow I feel like this is gonna happen. Oh well, you could always wander over to Chavez Ravine. :jam2:
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Postby revgen on Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:41 pm

Steve Nash finally made it back to the Lakers and has told a few friends this is going to be it, even though he has one season to go on his contract, at $9.7 million. Nash, who turned 40 Friday, doesn’t expect to help much, but that’s been the story of his injury-plagued Laker career. He really missed the camaraderie with his teammates when he was out for three months with a nerve injury in his back, and says he wants to experience that for at least the last part of this season before he calls it a career.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-all-star-weekend-players-fight-tennessee-tax-article-1.1607126

If true, then not acquiring the Medical Retirement doesn't bother me too much.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:47 pm

revgen wrote:
Steve Nash finally made it back to the Lakers and has told a few friends this is going to be it, even though he has one season to go on his contract, at $9.7 million. Nash, who turned 40 Friday, doesn’t expect to help much, but that’s been the story of his injury-plagued Laker career. He really missed the camaraderie with his teammates when he was out for three months with a nerve injury in his back, and says he wants to experience that for at least the last part of this season before he calls it a career.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-all-star-weekend-players-fight-tennessee-tax-article-1.1607126

If true, then not acquiring the Medical Retirement doesn't bother me too much.


This is sort of old news, Nash and his representatives have already shot down this report and said it isn't true.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby khmrP on Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:08 am

something will click in Nash thought process eventually...one day he'll be at home merely walking around when his kids will run at him and bump knees and his leg will feel like its about to fall off. Maybe then he'll realize his quality of life isn't worth it for the risk he'll be taking on the court.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby havoc33 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:15 am

therealdeal wrote:At what point is this delusion?

I know there was a sentiment recently that we all felt bad for him. He's a good guy who has done this his whole life. He doesn't know what life is like without playing basketball at the highest level and he doesn't want it to end on a sour note. He wants to make Laker fans proud and he wants to earn the paycheck we gave him.

But when does all that stop being enough? When can we boo this guy for NOT being a team player? Isn't it time now for him to sit down and let the younger guys get some time? You know, the younger guys like... Steve Blake. Steve Blake who at nearly 7 years younger than Nash is ALSO falling apart physically? When does Nash see the light and realize that he's not just hurting our production on the court, he's hurting the development of Kendall Marshall, and now he's hurt the organization's bottom line?

Are you kidding me? How many times do you have to irritate your nerve damaged leg before you f***ing get it through your damn skull old man? It's over. You're done. And now you screwed the franchise out of 3 million dollars in space we could have used to sign someone who can actually help us. If he retires he still gets his money, so it's not about that. It's about his own damn ego.

Get out Nash. It's over.


I couldn't agree more. Having Nash coming in and out of the lineup like this is very disruptive for the whole team. He really needs to call it quits.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:52 am

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:58 am

Very cool Behind the Scenes Series of Steve trying to get back to playing. Honestly, it's sad and hard to watch this first episode at times because when he and Kobe got drafted together in 1996 is when I really started following basketball so I sort of feel I've watched Steve play a ton throughout his career even if most of it was on a rival team of my Lakers.



Its hard to say this but You know its time to retire, when you start to make mini series about your recovery
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:12 pm

That was a great video, we get to see what he's gone through for the very first time, and hear in his own words how retirement feels for a pro athlete, and it sounds brutal. That said, the time has still come, and he does have whatever he's paid this season and 9 mil next season to comfort him. :man1: Along with, you know, spending all the time he wants with his kids or whatever. :man12:
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:03 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby escobar8 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:19 pm

Saw that video today on the grantland...its great and it proved what i think about him...

its not about the money (even tho 9mil doesnt hurt) its about the love,passion...basketball is realy his life and it is realy hard to let it go... you just cant question his will to play,the guy poped back his own nose,he played with broken nose...he is warrior, and wariors just dont quit...they die on battlefield...
and i have nothing than mad respect for nash...i hope he comes back and finish this season and then retire next year...
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Ras Algethi on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:57 pm

Watching that video above lead me to a few thoughts.

It endeared me to Nash a bit he has to face reality, he is done.

Its too bad we are struggling so bad, we do have a group of good, likable guys.

Baron Davis? What does he do now? Steve practice buddy? LOL
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:10 pm

Wait that WAS Baron Davis? I was watching that part wondering "who's the fat guy who looks a lot like Baron Davis training with Nash?". :man10:
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