Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

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Postby MadMax on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:36 am

This season, NBA fans have been treated to the rare sight of seeing the Los Angeles Lakers flounder. The most consistently successful franchise in the history of the league has only missed out on the playoffs five times (one of which happened when they still played in Minneapolis). With a 21-40 record, a sidelined Kobe Bryant, and a questionably talented roster, it figures that this season will mark the sixth such occurrence.

Yet there is hope that the team's lottery stay will be brief. Kobe, ever the competitor, has said that the turnaround will be a quick one. In more concrete terms, it's been argued that the Lakers will obtain one of this summer's high-profile free agents to remake their roster for the future. They believed that the future will be bright, in part because the Lakers remain a marquee franchise and attractive destination.

It now appears that the front office is adjusting that plan to reload in free agency this summer. With Kobe agreeing to his massive two-year extension in November, the Lakers' offseason flexibility has been dependent on their releasing aging and injury-addled Steve Nash via the collective bargaining agreement's stretch provision. Nash has been open and honest about this potential turn of events (and the subsequent end of his career), so it's not as if it's a mere rumor.

However, the Lakers seem to have told Nash that he's likely to stay with the team for the final year of his contract. As such, they're probably not going to shell out for a big name this summer. From Kevin Ding of Bleacher Report (via PBT):

The Lakers would rather be done with the entirety of Nash’s $9.7 million salary next year if they’re not planning on spending much next season, as opposed to stretching that money across the next three seasons if they waive him and suffer future burdens.
That decision by the Lakers would give Nash one last season to get his body as right as possible, control the nerve-root irritation sapping his back and legs, and try to go out on something close to his terms.
“Yeah,” Nash said Tuesday night about the Lakers letting him play it out next season. “It sounds like it.” [...]
For the Lakers’ purposes, Nash being able to contribute next season would lessen the bust of his acquisition only slightly. The losing hedges with Dwight Howard and Nash are severely limiting the Lakers’ rebuilding options now, and as Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said last month, the one thing the franchise cannot afford is to gamble again and lose.
To Kupchak, paying maximum dollars to star players who the Lakers are not certain can deliver championship performances would be bad business—and is, in fact, exactly what has happened in New York with the Knicks struggling despite having Carmelo Anthony. So don’t expect to see Anthony or Chris Bosh—if he opts out of his Miami Heat contract—getting epic offers from the Lakers.
The implication here is that the Lakers think that 2015 free agents such as Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Rajon Rondo are the kinds of players, who can win championships. That point is arguable, but the practical outcome is that the Lakers would only pursue LeBron James (who would be a 2015 target anyway if he doesn't opt out) among this summer's potential max-level free agents. Otherwise, they'll keep Nash, pay him his salary over one season, and hope for the best.
Given that James is a long shot to team up with Bryant this summer (this is educated speculation only), it figures that the Lakers will have much the same team next year. Although Kobe figures to be healthier, he turns 36 in August and cannot be expected to return to his full abilities after such a lengthy term on the sidelines. As even the most optimistic projections for Nash do not expect much and big man Pau Gasol seems uncertain to re-up with Los Angeles, it's not crazy to see the Lakers as a lottery team again next season.

That would be an odd sight, to say the least. The Lakers have missed out on the playoffs in consecutive seasons just one time in their history (1974-75 and 1975-76), and fans expect to see a championship contender in every season. Going two seasons without a playoff appearance won't necessarily change those expectations, and it figures that Laker Nation would expect a major splash in 2015 free agency.

There's no special reason to think that splash won't be made, if only because two years in the doldrums aren't going to rob the franchise of their full aura. However, it's worth considering how deferring the team's reloading process could change their image and long-term expectations. While the Lakers have developed championship contenders in part because they've waited for the right players, they've also reached those heights through a great amount of luck. In banking on the 2015 free agent class, the front office has essentially made a big bet on a set of players who, for all their abilities, are not on the same level as the LeBrons and Durants of the NBA. This plan carries with it a hope of obtaining a similar player through the draft, but that's a gamble, as well. This path is not a sure thing, no matter how much planning the Lakers do.

The point here is not the Lakers are doomed to failure. It's just that, as their appraisal of available players stretches on, they look more like any other franchise attempting to create a championship team. The Lakers' history and market size certainly helps in that pursuit, but, as they learned with Dwight Howard in July, free agents usually assess current realities over all else. A rich history looks less impressive the more it recedes into the past.

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:40 am

Thanks Steve!

As a fan this is hard to see but the franchise is making the right decision with this. Forcing an All-time great out the door? That's not going to look good to potential Big Names.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:20 am

therealdeal wrote:Thanks Steve!

As a fan this is hard to see but the franchise is making the right decision with this. Forcing an All-time great out the door? That's not going to look good to potential Big Names.


I really wish he had tried the Medical retirement since it seems virtually impossible for him to come back next year. But I'm glad that they aren't going for the stretch provision and will just let him come off the books after next season. Better for our future and the ability to sign a FA.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:32 am

He can start rehab now and on the last day of the season, he can play the last game for the entire 48 minutes if he can make it.

Otherwise, there is no point playing a washed up injury prone PG over anyone on our roster. The playing 3 games, sitting out 30, playing 2 games, sitting out 10 crap is old. He can have his money, but he shouldn't be allowed to play and hinder the development of other guys.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:48 am

If Nash is staying, MDA is probably staying too. :bang:
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:50 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Thanks Steve!

As a fan this is hard to see but the franchise is making the right decision with this. Forcing an All-time great out the door? That's not going to look good to potential Big Names.


I really wish he had tried the Medical retirement since it seems virtually impossible for him to come back next year. But I'm glad that they aren't going for the stretch provision and will just let him come off the books after next season. Better for our future and the ability to sign a FA.

Oh definitely this is a good move by the FO all things considered. It's the right thing to do and the most prudent to our future, but WOW what a jerk move by Nash. To play in that 10th game fresh off of an injury scare and only make it to half time? It's a slap in the face. It really is.

Once Nash is gone, the Lakers really ought to wipe their hands of him. Try to forget he ever was a Laker because his last moments here were an absolute nightmare.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:24 pm

Reading the Kevin Ding Article, basically stating that Nash is coming back next year, it's the right move, IMO. The FO bit themselves in the foot not giving themselves at least a 'Team Option' in his contract. You think a team taking a chance on somebody that old in NBA years would have included that; either way, let him play out the last year of his contract, get him off the books and move on.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:11 am

Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 38m
Mike D'Antoni officially closes the door on Steve Nash returning this season for the Lakers. "He's not going to play."
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Take your time Steve, you came in at as close to 100% as you could get this season and played 10 games. You are going to have such a big impact on next season when you get an extra 2 months of rehab this time around. That should translate into playing another 10 games next season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:04 am



6:20 mark of the video.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Weezy on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:19 am

^^^ Yup, it's honest alright. It also instantly makes me not a fan in the least anymore, and feel no sympathy for him despite the violins playing in the background. :man11: Thanks for helping to screw my favorite team, Steve, enjoy all that money while you don't play and we continue to suck and be handicapped by your deal. I would use the stretch provision on him after seeing that just to get him outta here. Here's your money, enjoy it from home, you "love the game", well you screwed us so you don't get to play anymore.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:46 am

:man10: What a joke...either way, pay him this year, then get him off the books completely for next year heading into the 2014/15 Summer....
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:56 am

Child support....knows its his last payday...I honestly can't get mad at that.

How did he get that guaranteed money in the first place?

Its funny how I keep hoping management will do something, only for it to completely go by the wayside....but our 1st round pick and Nash's expiring deal make for an interesting package on draft night. Management HAS to explore that option.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:58 am

^Very Interesting, Vash...I like that thought A LOT.
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Postby SK8 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:19 pm

I am so disappointed, i mean it's not his fault that our front office threw 10$ mili at him, but than again i never expected Steve to screw us like this, especially when we are in bad situation like this.
We just got Stev'ED .
He is gone after this, i am 100% sure he is gone.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:25 pm

He can use the love of the game and all that other politically correct crap, but I bet anything if he was getting paid vet. min he wouldn't be coming back next season.

10 million dollar meal ticket from our incompetent FO, why the hell wouldn't he stick on for that? And this just confirms to me that his goal was to play 10 games this season and be done with it.

There is no use playing him next season, there is no use for him to even be around, write him his check and tell him to stay at home. We need to build towards the future, not let a guy hang on for 10 million and decide every 15 games he wants to try and play 2 games.

He can't play back to backs, he can't play over 20 minutes, he can't play more than 2 games in a week. He's just a road block right now.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Barnstable on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:29 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Child support....knows its his last payday...I honestly can't get mad at that.

How did he get that guaranteed money in the first place?

Its funny how I keep hoping management will do something, only for it to completely go by the wayside....but our 1st round pick and Nash's expiring deal make for an interesting package on draft night. Management HAS to explore that option.


The following is pipe...

I would love a situation where we traded our 1st rounder, Nash and/or Pau for Love and Rondo.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby SK8 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:41 pm

We all knew here that his target was to play 10 games this season to secure his money way before this video.
Don't let sad music in background fool you, Nash isn't Laker anymore, he is just milking us like cow, and that's reality.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:52 pm

It's all crap. If he accepts medical retirement he can still get the money he needs for child support, he just doesn't hurt our franchise any more. And if he loves the game that much, I'm sure we'd hire him back (or someone would) as a player development coach right away. He's too smart not to do something like that.

But this? This is bull****. He's just a selfish guy that doesn't give two rips about what's going on with this team and this company.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:57 pm

Doc Brown wrote:He can use the love of the game and all that other politically correct crap, but I bet anything if he was getting paid vet. min he wouldn't be coming back next season.

10 million dollar meal ticket from our incompetent FO, why the hell wouldn't he stick on for that? And this just confirms to me that his goal was to play 10 games this season and be done with it.

There is no use playing him next season, there is no use for him to even be around, write him his check and tell him to stay at home. We need to build towards the future, not let a guy hang on for 10 million and decide every 15 games he wants to try and play 2 games.

He can't play back to backs, he can't play over 20 minutes, he can't play more than 2 games in a week. He's just a road block right now.


^^ This.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:02 pm

[Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] this guy .. He was never a true Laker to begin with .
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby laakers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:48 pm

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So, that happened. Plus for D'antoni?
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Postby trodgers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:51 pm

laakers wrote:
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So, that happened. Plus for D'antoni?

MDA don' curr. He's on the way out.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Weezy on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:51 pm

I guess 'Antoni and Nash don't speak much or something.

@janiscarr: So Nash thinks he can play this season, but D'Antoni says he's done. Interesting...
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby trodgers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:53 pm

therealdeal wrote:It's all crap. If he accepts medical retirement he can still get the money he needs for child support, he just doesn't hurt our franchise any more. And if he loves the game that much, I'm sure we'd hire him back (or someone would) as a player development coach right away. He's too smart not to do something like that.

But this? This is bull****. He's just a selfish guy that doesn't give two rips about what's going on with this team and this company.

Rumor has it Nash has a new agent: Latrell Sprewell.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:02 pm

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