Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:43 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby revgen on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:35 pm

"It's just a reality. I'm not going to retire because, well, I want the money."



Nash's new nickname. Greedy Stevie.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:20 pm

eff this guy seriously. get out of LA asap.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby jlkr on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:34 pm

Let there be pipe!!!

Seriously, it's unfortunate what's happened to Nash starting with that collision with Damon Lillard that opened last season. He was okay up until then, but since then, it's been unrelentingly bad. It's a good move, actually works for the Lakers since Lebron isn't leaving Miami and there's really no other FA worth a big deal other than Melo and his value is debatable. So Gasol is gone, they can afford some signings and still stay under the cap.

May as well go for the playoffs next year as the team has already traded away its 2015 first round pick.
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Postby XXIV on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:24 pm

Of course he wants the money, who wouldn't want $9 million? Best scenario now is that we can field a pretty good team for next season and he can contribute.
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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:39 pm

“@MarkG_Medina: @KamBrothers @AnthonyVEvans FWIW, I asked Nash about Kobe's comments. Said Nash: "I won't touch that."”
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Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:03 am

Nash with an assist to himself...disgusting
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Postby TheOp on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:08 pm

I find it very hard to blame Nash. Instead I would rather blame our idiotic front office. Nash collecting 9 million next year for nothing will show everyone who isnt familiar with the Lakers just how stupid the people running this organization now are.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:11 pm



Haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure some interesting stuff is said during the nearly 90 minute interview.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby HighlyFavored on Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:23 pm

I hate Nash.
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Postby showtime mamba on Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:58 am

Nobody likes somebody doing no work and helping himself to pie. Nash is helping himself to ten million dollars worth of Laker pie, and there is a salary cap on this pie. Go procreate with yourself as part of your rehab.I am now going to watch the Steve Ca$h interview and watch inception. Hopefully one of these two things will make sense by the end.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby 432J on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:56 am

we all know nash just wants to collect his check, even if it means playing on one leg

but the FO is out of their minds for allowing this to happen in the first place
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Postby Helljumper on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:45 pm

Not sure how true all this is, but from that latest interview Nash was saying that he probably wouldn't even be eligible for the medical retirement anyways. That's for players who suffer a career-ending injury and can't return. Apparently the NBA has committees and investigators who look into that kind of stuff. Nash made it sound like he'd probably be ineligible since he was playing well a few games before Game 10, and technically his latest injury was more of a minor setback which he's being held out for as more of a precaution and the FO's desire to examine the younger prospects. He said he didn't even know about the 10 game rule until an interviewer asked him about it on the day of his 10th game and so he went to talk to Vitti about it but Vitti said that ethically the team can't have that conversation with him.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby halekulani on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:08 pm

we gave him a contract and ya'll are crying bc he wants to play it through?

calling him greedy and selfish is hilarious. if you could play through your contract, you would. would you walk away from your job just because someone else can do it better? does neurosurgeon A think to himself, well, this new young guy neurosurgeon B is really effing good, let me step down? you have to be kidding me.

where is the sense of personal responsibility? accept his situation and move on to other ways the lakers can improve. to focus on blaming X person as responsible for a lack of success is a loser's mentality and immature. it makes little sense to call a guy selfish for trying to fulfill his obligation to the organization that signed him. it is selfish on the org's part, especially one associated with success, to expect one of their own to just quit. you didn't hire a guy because he could quit easily. the "no quit" mentality is why you hired him in the first place.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:54 pm

What an awful example. I'd hope to God a neurosurgeon would step down if he knew he wasn't performing his job as well as he could. That's a matter of extreme precision. Why would he keep doing his job long after he knew someone else could do it better? In fact, why did he get to that point? He should have been promoted at that age.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby halekulani on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:13 am

you missed the point
these guys are competitors
if nash can physically play through his contract he will.
if nash can compete he will.
nash, nor anyone else in the nba, backs down because someone is currently playing better than them. they play to prove to themselves that they can beat them.

kobe didn't look at his teammates of kwame, smush, and luke walton, and go, damn i might as well not play today. steve is injured, but he's not ready to hang up his laces yet.
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Postby Weezy on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:23 am

I don't like that example either. Yeah it's the FO's fault for giving him the contract and wanting to get out of it, but Nash is no better than they are. He played his 10 games this season so he couldn't be forced to medically retire. He's talked about in these Grantland videos the doubt he has if he can still compete in the NBA. He knows damn well after killing himself to make it though 10 games this season that next season won't be any better and he won't offer any real on court contributions. He's hanging on to get paid and screwing us in the process. It's not about the team, it's not about his teammates who are out there playing hard on the court, it's not about this franchise or love of the game, it's about the money, he said it himself.

Would everyone do the same thing in his shoes like he says, I don't know, it's possible. Unless I'm mistaken though, medical retirement still would have gotten him his money without screwing us, so I'm not sure most people wouldn't have done that. He's getting paid $9 mil to most likely not play next season, he's taking up a roster spot from someone who could actually deserve it, the whole thing is incredibly selfish to me, no matter how honest he was. And I disagree, Nash isn't injured, he's ancient, and he's done, his body can't do it anymore.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:56 am

The part that really bothers me it's what's on the second paragraph Weezy wrote. As a guy who's actually pretty much studied the CBA, I can assure you that he would still get his money if the Lakers had applied for a medical retirement for 10 or fewer games. So no, you're most definitely not mistaken.

Nash is just being stubborn as hell, trying to extend his career when it's definitely over (and he pretty much knows this). Of course, in his impossible task he's completely screwing the Lakers, and honestly, he's probably screwing himself also.

I know I would certainy want those $9.7M. We made a mistake there, but he has a right to that money, and I can't blame him for wanting it. I won't be the false guy who says "I shouldn't take it because he's earned a lot of money and he doesn't deserve those $10M". I'm sorry but no. That's a lot of money of anyone.

But trying to deny the fact that he just can't compete on NBA level anymore, and stepping on a whole team (and a VERY large fanbase) that's another story. That's what makes me angry about this guy. And it's a shame, cause I did respect him. Now I really regret to have bought a Nash jersey... that's really sad I think.

I was never a complete Nash fan in terms of game. I always thought he was kinda overrated as a point guard. I always rather had Billups, Kidd or even Marbury, back in the day. Of course, I didn't like that his Suns eliminated us two years, but this went from way back. Even before he won his MVPs. I do think he's one of the best passers this league has ever seen... just not that great of a point guard (its totally different being a great passer from being a great point guard. A great example of excellent passer and not-so-good point guard would be Jason Williams). But that said, I did respect the guy and I did have fun watching him play. So for me, his career couldn't end on a worse note.

Right now, while I think it's probably not the best choice, I almost want the team to stretch him, just because that implies waiving him and getting him out of the Lakers.

In his 10th game, it was ridiculous, it was clear the guy was in no condition to play. It was plain obvious. I hate that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Helljumper on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:17 am

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The waiting period depends on the number games in which the player played in the season:

If the player played 10 or more games in a season, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last game.
If the player played fewer than 10 in a season, the team can apply 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.


This is arguable. It's not clear that Nash would have been eligible for medical retirement.
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Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:34 am

No, it's certainly not. But I'd rather have him take those exams. I don't think he's in any condition to play at a professional level anymore. He had a hard time surviving through 10 games, and I believe he injured himself in at least half of those ten games.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:22 pm

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Amazing. Thanks D'Antoni for making this possible. He probably knows he's going to be fired so he told Nash to play just 5 minutes in one more game to f over the Lakers.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby John3:16 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:01 pm

As a fan, I'm highly disappointed, but can any of us say we wouldn't do the same thing?
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby revgen on Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:09 pm

John3:16 wrote:As a fan, I'm highly disappointed, but can any of us say we wouldn't do the same thing?


No. I'd take the medical retirement. I'd still get paid.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby charvin on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:08 pm

revgen wrote:
John3:16 wrote:As a fan, I'm highly disappointed, but can any of us say we wouldn't do the same thing?


No. I'd take the medical retirement. I'd still get paid.


Exactly. Why is it such a hard concept to grasp that, if cleared for medical retirement by the league, you get paid as well for retiring? You get your money if you retire, not sure if Nash knows that though.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby John3:16 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:22 pm

Nash might wanna continue playing. He might believe he can get healthy and contribute.
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