Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

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Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:39 pm

The only value I see in Nash moving forward is teaching our rookie a few things about the League. That's really it. He's not going to play much. He's not going to do a lot for the team. He's openly holding us up to the flames and he doesn't care.

The Lakers are the most stand-up organization in the League. If Nash retired, the Lakers would find ways to get him the money. It's not a question that they'd give him his contract amount. Nash just wants the spotlight.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:16 pm

He WAS a hell of a pro and an athlete. I will never discredit him for that or even knock him on how candid he was about wanting to get paid...I mean afterall, we're the ones that offered that albatross of a contract.

One thing I can't get over is, had Nash not been signed, would MDA even be a coaching candidate for us after we axed Brown?

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:42 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:He WAS a hell of a pro and an athlete. I will never discredit him for that or even knock him on how candid he was about wanting to get paid...I mean afterall, we're the ones that offered that albatross of a contract.

One thing I can't get over is, had Nash not been signed, would MDA even be a coaching candidate for us after we axed Brown?

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If it wasn't Nash I think it would have been another PG.. Maybe just bringing Sessions back matching the Bobcats offer or a bigger name.. But it seemed like after the CP3 + Dwight plan fell apart they were determined to get another PG to pair with Dwight.. D'antoni's rep for increasing PG production isn't exclusive to Nash so I think he would have been on their list regardless, maybe not ranked quite as high without the Nash connection.. But we'll never know.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:53 am

Nash said he expects to be healthy in about three to four weeks. He said he had fun when he played this season and wants to continue to play, though he's also fine with a lesser role mentoring young guards. He expects next season to be his last. "They can't rely on me, frankly," Nash said. "Hopefully, I come back and play 82 games next year and the sky is the limit. But they can't rely on me if they don't know what I'm going to bring, so they got to evaluate those guys for next season." Yahoo! Sports - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.U2Yqm0QF.dpuf


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Postby 432J on Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:42 pm

82 games next year?

i'd be shocked if he plays 82 minutes next year. it's sad seeing him fall this far after all those years of watching him dominate in phoenix, and it's clear he's still got the smarts and high basketball IQ that he's had for so long but his body is completely done. at this point he's just a waste of roster space and lots of money
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:01 pm

Wow.... in two sentences he says his team (who's paying him 9 Million) can't count on him and then hopes to play 82 games.... :disagree:

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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:09 pm

Jackson, in particular, found fault with giving Nash a three-year, $28-million contract and trading two first-round draft picks to acquire him in 2012 from Phoenix. Nash, 40, appeared in only 15 games this season because of chronic back pain.

"They took a flier on Nash that looked like it was going to be a really good thing," Jackson said. "Unfortunately, they didn't check with someone who had done therapy with the guy for the last 10 years, Alex McKechnie."

McKechnie was a physical therapist with the Lakers whose contract was not renewed in 2011. He now works for the Toronto Raptors and has conducted individual workouts with Nash and other NBA players in past off-seasons.

"They had cut ties with Alex, obviously, but still, Alex would have been a resource," Jackson said. "Steve has been hampered ever since that time and they kind of built the team around the way Steve plays."


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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:25 pm

interesting.....

The writing was clearly on the wall then :bang:
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:43 pm

So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby Armani on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:12 am

Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


Yeah, this is bizarre. Had they invested in the proper medical training, healthy Nash would've been worth the money he's making.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:14 am

Two words for the day.....

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Postby revgen on Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:38 am

Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:08 am

In hindsight, the Nash deal was horrible; no team option on the 3rd year, giving up 4 picks that hampered our flexibility/assets to help us with a rebuild, and now dealing with a physically washed-up Nash taking up 9 million dollars and a roster spot.

Nevertheless, when the deal first transpired, I was excited about the possibility of having him; back issues have always been a problem with Nash even in Phoenix...the last season we traded for him he played a total of 62 games at about 31 minutes a game. Not to say he wasn't already physically declining, but the mere fact that his leg was broken the first game of the season ruined any chance of seeing Steve remotely close to what he was in Phoenix. It's a hard lesson to learn, but given the circumstances at the time, the decline in health to Jerry Buss, Kobe's career coming near to an end, we swung for it and missed badly.
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Postby kenzo on Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:15 am

Nash, Howard, Pau and Kobe looked good for the last title push. The FO knew they had a short window with Dr Buss ilness and Kobe's age.
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Postby XXIV on Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:18 am

kenzo wrote:Nash, Howard, Pau and Kobe looked good for the last title push. The FO knew they had a short window with Dr Buss ilness and Kobe's age.


It sure did, but we were banking on them being healthy which was a mistake. We had no depth to help offset the number of injuries we suffered.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:37 am

Vasashi17 wrote:He WAS a hell of a pro and an athlete. I will never discredit him for that or even knock him on how candid he was about wanting to get paid...I mean afterall, we're the ones that offered that albatross of a contract.

One thing I can't get over is, had Nash not been signed, would MDA even be a coaching candidate for us after we axed Brown?

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This is too frustrating to think about.

Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?

It's almost like PJ, a guy who was with the organization for eleven years, might know things and ways to help the franchise that a guy with no relationship to the franchise (I mean MDA here) didn't know. Who'da thunk?
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:27 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.


Maybe,...... But you still don't make the call or you do and don't act on the info? Mitch is the GM and he negotiates the deals that people above him want.

Buss may have wanted Nash but Mitch executed the trade.
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Postby revgen on Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:30 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.


Maybe,...... But you still don't make the call or you do and don't act on the info? Mitch is the GM and he negotiates the deals that people above him want.

Buss may have wanted Nash but Mitch executed the trade.


So Mitch's boss tells him to get Nash, and Mitch is supposed to do what? Threaten to resign?

If it was Jim that was pushing for it, then I don't blame Mitch one bit.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:04 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.


Maybe,...... But you still don't make the call or you do and don't act on the info? Mitch is the GM and he negotiates the deals that people above him want.

Buss may have wanted Nash but Mitch executed the trade.


So Mitch's boss tells him to get Nash, and Mitch is supposed to do what? Threaten to resign?

If it was Jim that was pushing for it, then I don't blame Mitch one bit.


You make sound as if you were in the office hearing this... If Mitch was told to go get Nash I'd hope to god he's also trying to find out if he's healthy by any and all means necessary. If not then he needs to resign IMHO.... that's his freaking job. If he had found that out and then went back to Jimmy with it we may not have this stone albatross around our neck.

Man.... there is no stink that can stick to Mitch it seems.... he's truly teflon on all bad decisions and everything that goes right is all him....

If everyone thinks Jimmy is such an idiot then he wouldn't know how to form a trade right?..... then who did decide that giving a 38 year old with a significant and long injury history a freaking guaranteed contract for 3 years? How many people have played at a 9 M level at the age of 40 in this league? Why no team option? Why not put Nash on the injury list so he can't play 10 games?

..... it's all his "boss" I guess.
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Postby revgen on Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:23 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:So.... Mitch pulls the trigger on a huge gamble while knowing that there is a trainer who's worked with Nash and didn't call him?


At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.


Maybe,...... But you still don't make the call or you do and don't act on the info? Mitch is the GM and he negotiates the deals that people above him want.

Buss may have wanted Nash but Mitch executed the trade.


So Mitch's boss tells him to get Nash, and Mitch is supposed to do what? Threaten to resign?

If it was Jim that was pushing for it, then I don't blame Mitch one bit.


You make sound as if you were in the office hearing this... If Mitch was told to go get Nash I'd hope to god he's also trying to find out if he's healthy by any and all means necessary. If not then he needs to resign IMHO.... that's his freaking job. If he had found that out and then went back to Jimmy with it we may not have this stone albatross around our neck.

Man.... there is no stink that can stick to Mitch it seems.... he's truly teflon on all bad decisions and everything that goes right is all him....

If everyone thinks Jimmy is such an idiot then he wouldn't know how to form a trade right?..... then who did decide that giving a 38 year old with a significant and long injury history a freaking guaranteed contract for 3 years? How many people have played at a 9 M level at the age of 40 in this league? Why no team option? Why not put Nash on the injury list so he can't play 10 games?

..... it's all his "boss" I guess.


That depends upon how hard Jim "pushed" Mitch to get the deal done. Did Mitch find clues that Nash was having health issues, told Jim, but Jim still pushed for the trade? I don't know. All I know is that there was talk about Jim Buss pushing Mitch to get the Nash trade done. If that's true, then you can't just point the finger at Mitch and claim it was his fault.

As far as the D12 trade, I think you can point the blame in his direction as well as Jim, so I wouldn't exactly call Mitch teflon.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:13 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
At the time that Nash was signed, there were reports that Jim Buss pushed for the deal more than Mitch did.


Maybe,...... But you still don't make the call or you do and don't act on the info? Mitch is the GM and he negotiates the deals that people above him want.

Buss may have wanted Nash but Mitch executed the trade.


So Mitch's boss tells him to get Nash, and Mitch is supposed to do what? Threaten to resign?

If it was Jim that was pushing for it, then I don't blame Mitch one bit.


You make sound as if you were in the office hearing this... If Mitch was told to go get Nash I'd hope to god he's also trying to find out if he's healthy by any and all means necessary. If not then he needs to resign IMHO.... that's his freaking job. If he had found that out and then went back to Jimmy with it we may not have this stone albatross around our neck.

Man.... there is no stink that can stick to Mitch it seems.... he's truly teflon on all bad decisions and everything that goes right is all him....

If everyone thinks Jimmy is such an idiot then he wouldn't know how to form a trade right?..... then who did decide that giving a 38 year old with a significant and long injury history a freaking guaranteed contract for 3 years? How many people have played at a 9 M level at the age of 40 in this league? Why no team option? Why not put Nash on the injury list so he can't play 10 games?

..... it's all his "boss" I guess.


That depends upon how hard Jim "pushed" Mitch to get the deal done. Did Mitch find clues that Nash was having health issues, told Jim, but Jim still pushed for the trade? I don't know. All I know is that there was talk about Jim Buss pushing Mitch to get the Nash trade done. If that's true, then you can't just point the finger at Mitch and claim it was his fault.

As far as the D12 trade, I think you can point the blame in his direction as well as Jim, so I wouldn't exactly call Mitch teflon.
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby revgen on Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:22 pm

LakersN4 wrote:I thought they probably rushed the deal due to the fact that the trade exception was going to expire, but the deal was made as soon as free agency started in July, & the trade exception didn't expire until December 11.. Honestly have no clue as to why they rushed the trade without doing the most basic of research like reaching out to a trainer that had worked closely with Nash for a decade & knew exactly what his physical state was.. No excuse for that.


Nobody is excusing the lack of research. But I am questioning whether Mitch should bare most of the blame for it. Especially if it was Jim pushing him to do the trade.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Thu May 01, 2014 4:30 pm

so now since his coach is gone, what do we do about this guy?
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Re: Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Postby jlkr on Thu May 01, 2014 5:09 pm

No one's going to take him without sticking the Lakers with a worse contract.

Lakers are not really counting on signing the max guy this summer, there is precious little available along those lines. So he'll be carried in full next season and then all his salary comes off the cap next year. Yeah the whole thing was a disaster, not much to do for it now, don't even think anyone would give the Lakers a 2nd round pick for him. So Lakers don't get rid of him without taking a worse contract. The way it really works is the Lakers would have to have a good resource to throw into the trade to get someone to take him off their hands without taking back a bad contract. Would really rather not do that.

At this point, it sucks, but the team should just eat it. Path of least resistance clears the books next summer.
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu May 01, 2014 6:58 pm

jlkr wrote:No one's going to take him without sticking the Lakers with a worse contract.

Lakers are not really counting on signing the max guy this summer, there is precious little available along those lines. So he'll be carried in full next season and then all his salary comes off the cap next year. Yeah the whole thing was a disaster, not much to do for it now, don't even think anyone would give the Lakers a 2nd round pick for him. So Lakers don't get rid of him without taking a worse contract. The way it really works is the Lakers would have to have a good resource to throw into the trade to get someone to take him off their hands without taking back a bad contract. Would really rather not do that.

At this point, it sucks, but the team should just eat it. Path of least resistance clears the books next summer.

They might if they're also getting our lottery pick.. I could see him being packaged with our pick for Kyrie or Love. Especially if the team we're trading with really likes the player available at 6 (or wherever we end up)
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