Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:00 pm

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Questions remain for creaky Nash, who said cryptically of his slow night: "Strange things happened to me"--and didn't want to elaborate.
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I saw him get kneed one time in thigh and go down and another he was holding his back on the Kaman dribble TO.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Ras Algethi on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:05 pm

He's done. He really doesn't contribute anything out there other than spot up shooting. He can't really create effectively anymore due his lack of mobility - he cant create space or penetrate to force the defense to adjust/shift.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:06 pm

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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:11 pm

It's sad, other than a couple assists, he's almost invisible out there. He's not running the offense, he can't play defense, he only brings the ball upcourt part of the time, he's just not Nash anymore. He's not having that Nash impact on the game, it's like he's going through the motions and trying to blend in.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby revgen on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:16 pm

Whatever the Phoenix medical staff did with him, we need to replicate here in LA. I'm not sure what Vitti and crew are doing, but I don't think it's what Phoenix was doing. Sure, Nash is old, but Cuban thought he was old 9 years ago and let him go. He obviously needs special attention in order to be effective. I'm not sure if we have the staff to do it.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:17 pm

He's a smart guy and he helped the little run to get back in the 3rd, but he's done. He's straight up done.

He needs to retire. Just retire so we can go sign Shannon or something and let Farmar play a majority of the game.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby thisbjgz on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:27 am

any updates? he's hurt forreal?
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:22 am

He's perpetually hurt. Everything on his body hurts because he's old as heck and needs to retire.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:24 am

therealdeal wrote:He's perpetually hurt. Everything on his body hurts because he's old as heck and needs to retire.


As long as he is able to play I'm fine with him doing so this year. But at the end of the season he absolutely needs to shut it down. It might happen during the season depending on health of course. But if he can go I'm cool with it until he can't. No more than this season though. He should not be playing next year, period.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Center Court on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:35 am

Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's perpetually hurt. Everything on his body hurts because he's old as heck and needs to retire.


As long as he is able to play I'm fine with him doing so this year. But at the end of the season he absolutely needs to shut it down. It might happen during the season depending on health of course. But if he can go I'm cool with it until he can't. No more than this season though. He should not be playing next year, period.


Not sure why he'd consider retiring mid-season nor why we would want that.

I agree he is staring retirement in the face but at the same time he's still a great voice and figure in the locker room,brings a lot to the table in terms of knowing this offense and basketball knowledge. He's almost like an assisstant coach in uniform and if he can just play 16-20 mins a game it's a big help.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:49 am

Center Court wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's perpetually hurt. Everything on his body hurts because he's old as heck and needs to retire.


As long as he is able to play I'm fine with him doing so this year. But at the end of the season he absolutely needs to shut it down. It might happen during the season depending on health of course. But if he can go I'm cool with it until he can't. No more than this season though. He should not be playing next year, period.


Not sure why he'd consider retiring mid-season nor why we would want that.

I agree he is staring retirement in the face but at the same time he's still a great voice and figure in the locker room,brings a lot to the table in terms of knowing this offense and basketball knowledge. He's almost like an assisstant coach in uniform and if he can just play 16-20 mins a game it's a big help.

If he retires, he can stay on the bench and help that way.

He could retire midseason because maybe it takes 40 games to realize that his body can't handle the rigors of the NBA anymore. That's not impossible. Hell I might go so far as to say it's not unlikely. The Lakers would want that because it means more minutes for the exciting Farmar and less minutes of Nash who is swiftly becoming a liability on the floor. It's not so different than when Fisher was here. Love his attitude, but hate his production.

I'm with you LJ. This season needs to be the end for him. Let the Lakers move on and let us use that salary to help build a new team. It's not that I don't appreciate his contributions. In fact, it's because I like him so much that I'd like to see him retire. I don't want to watch him play this way and have it be the way he's remembered by the Lakers.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:09 am

He's exacly looking like a 2nd part of last season Jason Kidd on the court ... he may be useful as a spot up shooter when Kobe is back ... still he's hurting us too much on D
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby MadMax on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:12 am

I think Nash still has a few good games/moments left in him, but this really is looking like his last season. He's dropped off significantly since leaving Phoenix.

I truly do believe he's got something more to give out there...but there isn't a whole lot left.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby gcclaker on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:24 am

Nash starts with Blake on spot duty then Farmar taking more than half of the minutes at the point. At this stage of his career, it is all about conserving him for the bigger moments.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby TheOp on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:26 am

I guess im the only one who sees his value. Having Nash play some great offense for 20 minutes a game is a boost to our team. He is pretty bad on D but in 20 minutes of play I think he should at least be able to give a good effort on that end, its not like wel be running him into the ground.

Farmar is easily starting PG material now. He has great skills on offense and hes not a bad defender either. Heres how Id like to see the minutes split up

Nash - 18
Farmar - 25
Blake - 5

That should keep each one of them fresh throughout the season.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:30 am

If he were playing great offense I would gladly take that for 20 mins, but he's not, he's having minimal impact out there. Hell, Blake seems to be playing more actual PG than him from the SG position. I think the only thing he is at the moment of value is what he will never stop being, a great teammate, great locker room guy, good leader and mentor, it's similar to Derek Fisher at the end of his time here IMO.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby TheOp on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:54 am

Weezy wrote:If he were playing great offense I would gladly take that for 20 mins, but he's not, he's having minimal impact out there. Hell, Blake seems to be playing more actual PG than him from the SG position.


Thats only one game. But he had 5 assists in 20 minutes. Cant really complain about that, hes still a great facilitator when hes out there.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Toklat on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:15 am

I agree Nash still has plenty of value to the team. As long as Farmar gets most of the minutes we are good. Keep in mind that Nash will slowly play his way back into some kind of form. He is great at helping develop Farmar and even Blake. Very humbly I would submit that we have a tendency to overreact here to some degree. My preference would be to see him get some good minutes with the second unit to see how that works. When you get late in the season and the playoffs you can't discount the experience Nash will bring.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:16 am

Nash looks done. If this is after an offseason of healing up and he cannot play back to back games we need to buy him out IMO. He's taking minutes from guys that can produce as much or more than him that have a chance at staying here for more than 1 year.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:00 pm

TheOp wrote:
Weezy wrote:If he were playing great offense I would gladly take that for 20 mins, but he's not, he's having minimal impact out there. Hell, Blake seems to be playing more actual PG than him from the SG position.


Thats only one game. But he had 5 assists in 20 minutes. Cant really complain about that, hes still a great facilitator when hes out there.


It's not one game only though, because I'm going off the whole preseason as well.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby John3:16 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:06 pm

Too early to stick a fork in him?
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby The Rock on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:08 pm

Hes a gametime decision for tonight.

I was praying and hoping he'd retire over the summer. Welp so much for that.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Kit on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:33 pm

He didn't play much last night. Should play a little. He is good for the first unit.
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:46 pm

John3:16 wrote:Too early to stick a fork in him?



whether he's done or not, it feels so much more comforting that we have Blake and Farmar instead of Duhon and Morris when Nash gimps on us
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Re: Nash Discussion: ESPN LA 710 radio interview (160)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:08 pm

John3:16 wrote:Too early to stick a fork in him?


Well.... this was his first regular season game after a summer in which he supposedly rested and healed up..... and he can't play in a back to back after taking most of the second half off?....

I'd say put him on the bench so as to not constantly be messing with the starting line ups.... if he can play/contribute that's great.... if not then it doesn't constantly push people in and out of the starting line up as such an important position.
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