JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I understand why you guys don't like my list and it would be foolish of me to expect a lot of people to agree with me since this is a Lakers forum, however I think a lot of you form your opinions of certain players by reading this website instead of finding more impartial sources and that ends up skewing your perspective. That's why my list looks so ridiculous to you guys because you don't expose yourselves to people who won't always think the same way.
I disagree with you completely.
The VAST majority of people in this thread rank Kobe fairly. At Kobe's age he is statstically keeping up with the young guns in the league. He lead an incomplete team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. He was almost the league's leading scorer, losing by mere tenths of points to Kevin Durant who is 10 years younger than him. You rank Westbrook, Love, Nowitzki, and Wade above him.
I'd love to know why. What does Westbrook do that makes him a better PLAYER than Kobe Bryant? Is it his talent at finding others with the ball? Because even as a PG he averages less than a full assist more than Kobe. Is it his rebounding? Kobe averages more than him. His FG%s are comparable even though he's young and explosive enough to get to the rim far easier than Kobe. He averages less points and the same number of turnovers. That's just statistically. Using the eye test, Westbrook holds the ball too long, he dribbles too much, takes at least as many ill-advised shots as Kobe (even moreso because every shot he takes means Durant takes one less), and even with his ability to get into the paint, he does an awful job of finding his teammates regularly for a PG.
What does Love do that makes him a better player than Kobe? Is it his impact on all of the games the Wolves won? Or is it just because he is a statistical anomaly? Love does two things great: shoot open threes and rebound the ball. He is a sub-par defender, an average post player, doesn’t take care of the ball very well, and he is not great at finding opportunities for others to score. Is he the best PF in the game right now? Maybe. That’s extremely debatable, but what about his game is BETTER than Kobe Bryant? What about his play IMPACTS a game more than Kobe Bryant? Just the numbers? Anything else?
What does Nowitzki do that makes him BETTER than Kobe Bryant? Does he carry his team better? He lead his team to the 3rd best record in his division with 5 more losses than the Lakers. He is maybe a better scorer at this point in his career, but he’s also a sub-par rebounder for his position and a putrid defender. Does Kobe give his all defensively every play like he used to? No. But he gives his all on some plays which is more than Dirk who hasn’t average more than 1 block a game in 2 years. For a seven footer that’s garbage.
What does Dwayne Wade do that makes him BETTER than Kobe Bryant? Statistically they are right there with each other. On a down shooting season Kobe still shot better than him from deep and from the line. Wade gets to the basket easier giving him a higher overall percentage, but he scores less points. Wade averages less rebounds and the exact same number of assists. Wade is a little younger and retains some of his athleticism better than Kobe, so he’s more mobile defensively (better for blocks and steals), but according to Synergy Sports they hold their respective counterparts to a similar PPP (.83 for Kobe and .79 for Wade). Then you talk about the eye test a little more. What does Wade do for his team that makes him better than Kobe? Does he give them heart like Kobe does? Does he frequently carry the team on a nightly basis? Or is that James doing those things? I think we both know the answer.
You come in here and you make the assumption that we aren’t educated. Just because we’re Laker fans doesn’t mean we don’t look at other sources of information. Just because we frequent this website doesn’t mean we don’t see others as well. Many posters here have RealGM accounts and many posters here are extremely knowledgeable about basketball and other teams. That’s part of the reason so many of us enjoy it here.
Your assertion that we don’t agree with your list BECAUSE we’re Laker fans is a fallacy. We don’t agree with your list because it’s backed up by zero evidence, you didn’t try to support it, and instead of doing those things you said “well other people on other sites say it is this way”. Are we supposed to say “Oh well if RealGM says it, then it must be better than what we’re saying, you’re right”? Of course not.
If you really truly believe all of those players are better than Kobe Bryant then support yourself on that. Let’s see your argument why instead of talking down to us because we’re Laker fans.