Really?JGC wrote:First off, I'm not sure how many times I have to say it, but I'm not an anti-Kobe anything. Kobe is my favorite player and the reason I became a Laker fan. You can look back through my entire post history. Never have I ever said Kobe sucks, or that I don't like Kobe, or anything disparaging about Kobe as a person or a player.
We'll just have to ask Doc Brown about that, that's his specialty on this site.
JGC wrote:That's the problem around here. You cannot criticize the guy without being a "hater".
That's patently false. Rooscooter and I disagree about almost everything to do with the Lakers. He's frequently down on guys like Ebanks or Jordan Hill and while I call him surly or a downer, I don't call him a "hater" because he's clearly not. He is concerned for the team and he sees potential weakness where I see potential strength. Call me an optimist (I mean you'd have to since I'm responding to this right?).
The point is, if you disagree on this site but do it with concise thoughts that aren't disparaging to a poster or to the site, you're welcome here. Unfortunately, you are not Rooscooter. You excel at making snide comments, baiting people (your favorite is making wide sweeping comments that you know will upset certain posters), and at saying things you know will make the forum disagree with you. Rooscooter disagrees with much of the board, but he is respectful, tactful, and presents clear arguments about the position and not about the people making the point. Something you could learn from.
KB24 is the biggest Kobe fan in the world as far as I know and he is openly critical of Kobe constantly, but he also gives him the respect that he's earned. KB24 is also around when Kobe has a great game and says something about it. He's here whether Kobe is playing well or whether Kobe has an off game. If you're going to be critical of Kobe, that's fine. Many posters here are critical when he's struggling.JGC wrote: I will freely admit that I criticize Kobe however. And I will freely admit that I am more critical of Kobe than I am of any other Laker or NBA player. But that's precisely because he's my favorite player and my expectations for him are higher than they are for anyone else. I am more likely to shrug off a bad game from Steve Blake, than I am from Kobe Bryant.
But when Kobe plays well you're not around to say anything about it. You're not here when Kobe drops 40 points or when he has a 25-8-8 game. You wait until he has a 12 point game and shoots inefficiently and then you decide to post something. Not exactly someone I would say is as great a fan of Kobe as you indicate.
JGC wrote:When the Lakers lose, and Kobe has a bad game, I will generally be one of the first to imply that the loss was primarily (not entirely) on Kobe's shoulders. Meanwhile, most of this board is looking to blame any Laker not named Kobe. To me, that doesn't make any sense. If you're the best player on the team, and you're the leader of the team, and you're the captain, and you're the highest paid player on the team and in the league, then why shouldn't you be held accountable more than any other player on your team when the team loses? That's just how I am. Believe me, when Kobe is gone and D12 is leading the team and if he plays poorly and we lose, I will be doing the same thing with him. I'm sure everyone will gasp and call me a D12-hater too.
Well at least you admitted my previous point. Unfortunately you forgot the next part where you're rarely around to say what a great job Kobe did or anything constructive. You're right, when Kobe plays poorly you're definitely the first one posting. Of that we're all well aware.
JGC wrote:Go look at some of the threads about clutch play. Everyone and their mother in here has a million and one excuses as to why Kobe wasn't clutch last season. Too many minutes. He's tired. Bad finger. Blah blah blah. Has everyone forgotten the very definition of clutch? Rising above ALL obstacles to get the job done. That's clutch. Since when has being tired been an excuse for not being clutch? Wow. I don't care if you're Kobe, Lebron, MJ or Horry, if you don't get the job done in the clutch, then it wasn't clutch. Period. It doesn't matter why. It doesn't matter who. Clutch doesn't care why or who.
Blah blah blah... That is something of a theme with you it seems.
Excuses? Maybe. But it's not as if any of those things are wrong. He WAS tired. Was he clutch last season? He was better than most people give him credit for (I mean he IS Kobe Bryant), but overall he was sub-par by his standards. However, in games like the last one versus Oklahoma he DID come up clutch even though he was tired, so I don't quite see your point. No one is going to make every late shot, not Jordan, not Kareem, not Kobe. Last season he was asked to do too much which made him tired, which lead him to struggle mightily in the 4th quarter of most games. The statistics support that statement. 38 minutes a game, he started off games shooting 46% and ended games shooting 42% or something like that. I think tired fits that mold.
JGC wrote:I find it annoying and unfortunate, that most people in here, including seasoned posters with many posts under their belt, appear to give Kobe a free pass when he doesn't perform but are quick to bash on role players making 10% of what Kobe makes for not performing. To me, that makes no sense. When we win and he plays well, Kobe should get most (not all) but most of the credit. But the same needs to be true when we lose and he plays poorly and it just isn't around here.
I find it annoying and unfortunate that some people in here, including posters that haven't been here very long and have a poor reputation already, appear to give Kobe a hard time every single time he doesn't perform up to some ridiculous expectation and are quick to bash him at every single opportunity. To me, that makes no sense. When we win and he plays well, they don't come around much to give Kobe any credit. But when he plays poorly you bet your bottom dollar they're here, and it just shouldn't be that way.