#NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:20 pm

Frank Dux wrote:#6 is pretty fair considering how inefficient he was last season.

LOL you make it seem like it was his fault. It's his retarded coach's stupid offensive system and also his teammates for giving him the ball at the end of the shot clock.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:43 pm

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Frank Dux wrote:#6 is pretty fair considering how inefficient he was last season.

LOL you make it seem like it was his fault. It's his retarded coach's stupid offensive system and also his teammates for giving him the ball at the end of the shot clock.

LOL that doesn't account for everything. While part of the issue was that he was stuck in a bad situation, he still took a lot of ill-advised shots as well. He shot a lower percentage and considering the source of this ranking, it's surprising that he should get a higher ranking than he had last season.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby raviator on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:07 pm

KB24 wrote:I didn't expect so much common sense in this thread. I must admit, I'm surprised...

even the biggest Laker fans are getting used to the idea that Kobe isn't head and shoulders above everyone else.

Even though with him on my team...I kind of never get rid of that feeling that he can still win any game by himself alone on a given night. I still expect amazing things from Kobe and I still have the confidence to trash talk and feel confident in close games etc...I still expect him to score on a pull up J whenever we desperately need a basket...


ahhhh....I could cry when I think he is probably retiring in 2 years. I have never followed someone from his baby steps into his retirement with such passion and joy....extreme ups (championships, scoring sprees, clutch shots) and extreme downs (trade demands, finals losses, denver issue)...its going to such so hard for me...I will be devestated, I truly will.

When I sometimes here people talk passionately about someone from the 70s, 80s then I think...yawn. Having gone through this now...I fully expect to have the same issue in 30 years when I tell people how AMAZING this dude was that was named after a japanese steak.

I need to mentally prepare myself and that process has begun...I hope I can get in there in time for 2014.


Ditto. I was able to catch the very tail end of Magic's career. But I was stoked when Kobe was traded here and it has been a fun ride.
But I really do feel he should have been ranked higher, maybe 3rd or 4th at least, especially after being 2nd in the league in scoring by mere TENTHS of a point, not to mention being injured TWICE, and still being able to be effective. How many guys shut it down after tearing a ligament in their shooting hand? Or still able to maintain high scoring after having their nose broke? Oh did I mention 2nd in the league in scoring? I mean he's basically ranked lower than 2 players who couldn't finish the season due to injuries. I mean...oh wait, it's BSPN? oh that explains it...nevermind.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby v1n5anity on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:17 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:#6 is pretty fair considering how inefficient he was last season.

LOL you make it seem like it was his fault. It's his retarded coach's stupid offensive system and also his teammates for giving him the ball at the end of the shot clock.


I don't even know if you're serious :bang:
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby dj vitus on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:13 pm

Age is irrelevant, since it only determines how much longer they will be in the league. If I'm just as good as you at 38 while you're 24, we should still be ranked the same since the list is about the PRESENT year.

Anyways, Kobe continually ranks higher in MVP voting every year (to the best of my knowledge), so being #7 and #6 are complete jokes.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby shaq_hater on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:14 pm

why is derrick rose in the top 5? :man3:
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:33 pm

LeBron
Durant
Howard
Paul or Kobe

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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:11 pm

I honestly thought Bron & Durant were the only players you could make a solid argument for being better than Kobe last season. Some other guys had strong numbers but they weren't better players.. I honestly don't feel Durant was even clearly a better player. Hopefully having a stronger cast around him will bring Kobe back to the #1 debate.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby noobiew on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:19 pm

I actually have Kobe in #5 on my list, 1) Lebron 2) Durant 3) Dwight 4) Paul 5) Kobe, but Kobe at #6 sounds about right for me also.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:43 pm

What is the purpose of the ranking?.... fan popularity? Media popularity? ..... or maybe just maybe propaganda to hype the next round of up and coming stars..... ESPN is a "Partner" of the NBA in all honesty and they are complicit in marketing the game to it's fullest because they stand to make more money the more controversy they stir up..... Be clear..... they are not "Press" in the classical sense..... to be honest there is no "Press" in the classical sense anywhere.... The have no "objectivism" at all and it's pretty transparent who the staff meetings have focused on regardless of real on the court performances..... It was Paul and the Clippers rammed down everyone's throats last year.......

If you are talking about the most valuable player on a team that has a real chance and that player could make the biggest difference I'd say he's in the top 3 of Bron, Durant and Kobe with a pretty wide gap to number 4....
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:46 pm

This is their "criteria" for ranking the players....

How did we rank the players?
We asked 104 experts to rate each player on a 0-to-10 scale, in terms of "the current quality of each player.


The difference in that averaged number between 6 and 10 is .19.....

Kobe at 8.88 and Deron at 8.69

Not that big of a difference and all it really takes is for a handful of guys voting to have a chubby for the player they are grading and it skews the ranking because it's based on their preference and not "current quality of each player".
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:48 pm

^^define "expert"......
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:50 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^define "expert"......


This link shows all the people who voted....

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/id/8270141/2012-nba-player-rankings-contributors

Henry Abbott is on there, probably gave Kobe a 1. :man10:

I'd prefer the ranking be done by former players. They played against these guys, they know the game better then most of these pencil pushers, they know who's good and who is not.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Azndude2190 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:53 pm

Rooscooter wrote:What is the purpose of the ranking?.... fan popularity? Media popularity? ..... or maybe just maybe propaganda to hype the next round of up and coming stars..... ESPN is a "Partner" of the NBA in all honesty and they are complicit in marketing the game to it's fullest because they stand to make more money the more controversy they stir up..... Be clear..... they are not "Press" in the classical sense..... to be honest there is no "Press" in the classical sense anywhere.... The have no "objectivism" at all and it's pretty transparent who the staff meetings have focused on regardless of real on the court performances..... It was Paul and the Clippers rammed down everyone's throats last year.......

If you are talking about the most valuable player on a team that has a real chance and that player could make the biggest difference I'd say he's in the top 3 of Bron, Durant and Kobe with a pretty wide gap to number 4....


Dude it's just an online ranking, does everything have to be some kind of conspiracy?
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:08 pm

^^No.... it's a ranking by a business partner of the NBA....... No conspiracy.... that's the point. ESPN and TNT have a largely vested interest in propping up the players/teams that will be nationally televised this season..... by this time of year they know the schedule "in-house" and are marketing appropriately... creating buzz now will help in selling Ad time and raise the prices if the ratings for X player/team are higher than a player and team that isn't getting on the networks as much.... pretty simple if you look at if from the business side of it.... and hey!.... you know what? ESPN, TNT and the NBA are businesses......

I thought you understood economics far better than I and you can't see this?........... Dude.... :man10:
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Azndude2190 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:35 pm

I understand there is a business aspect, but I think your looking into it way too much.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:50 pm

Rooscooter wrote:What is the purpose of the ranking?.... fan popularity? Media popularity? ..... or maybe just maybe propaganda to hype the next round of up and coming stars..... ESPN is a "Partner" of the NBA in all honesty and they are complicit in marketing the game to it's fullest because they stand to make more money the more controversy they stir up..... Be clear..... they are not "Press" in the classical sense..... to be honest there is no "Press" in the classical sense anywhere.... The have no "objectivism" at all and it's pretty transparent who the staff meetings have focused on regardless of real on the court performances..... It was Paul and the Clippers rammed down everyone's throats last year.......

If you are talking about the most valuable player on a team that has a real chance and that player could make the biggest difference I'd say he's in the top 3 of Bron, Durant and Kobe with a pretty wide gap to number 4....

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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:58 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:I understand there is a business aspect, but I think your looking into it way too much.


Maybe..... but it's about every other week they seem to do the same.... or nearly the same ranking either by going to experts..... or "beat writers" or past players or to fan polling or what ever.... It's buzz for the season.... I guess I'm just point it out for what it is.....

The whole "who's the best" discussion is so broadly defined and biased it's not funny. Even the supposed end of the year awards that are voted on by some of the best so called experts are way out of line. How can you have any confidence in any of this when you have Shaq and Kobe..... arguably two of the all time greats who had numerous dominant seasons only win 2 MVP's COMBINED...... While I like Nash as a player but can anyone with a straight face justify how he has as many as Kobe an Shaq all by himself?.... That's supposed to be the "Canon" of NBA lists.... it goes downhill quickly from there....
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:15 pm

yay it's not 7 :man10:
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:15 pm

An improvement at his 17th season. Inconceivable!
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Finwë on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:28 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^define "expert"......


This link shows all the people who voted....

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/id/8270141/2012-nba-player-rankings-contributors

Henry Abbott is on there, probably gave Kobe a 1. :man10:

I'd prefer the ranking be done by former players. They played against these guys, they know the game better then most of these pencil pushers, they know who's good and who is not.

Agreed. ESPN's "experts" are a joke. They have 104 experts they talked to? LOL I don't believe I could think of 5 true "experts" that write for ESPN.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby dj vitus on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:35 pm

Doc Brown wrote:This is their "criteria" for ranking the players....

How did we rank the players?
We asked 104 experts to rate each player on a 0-to-10 scale, in terms of "the current quality of each player.


The difference in that averaged number between 6 and 10 is .19.....

Kobe at 8.88 and Deron at 8.69

Not that big of a difference and all it really takes is for a handful of guys voting to have a chubby for the player they are grading and it skews the ranking because it's based on their preference and not "current quality of each player".

I wonder if they thought about taking out each players' top 10 and bottom 10 scores and then finding the mean or median of the rest of the scores like most surveys... Probably not.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby LOL on Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:47 am

i dont know if you guys watch football, but this guy is exactly like drogba. that aura, that clutchness, that stare he has in his eyes. ice run through their veins. they are feared and respected. they always perform when the team needs them. time and time again people will say some one is better, faster, stronger. but regardless of age they always come through to prove they are the best. not because of physicality, but mentality.
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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby Zibi on Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:40 am

KB24 wrote:I didn't expect so much common sense in this thread. I must admit, I'm surprised...

even the biggest Laker fans are getting used to the idea that Kobe isn't head and shoulders above everyone else.

Even though with him on my team...I kind of never get rid of that feeling that he can still win any game by himself alone on a given night. I still expect amazing things from Kobe and I still have the confidence to trash talk and feel confident in close games etc...I still expect him to score on a pull up J whenever we desperately need a basket...


ahhhh....I could cry when I think he is probably retiring in 2 years. I have never followed someone from his baby steps into his retirement with such passion and joy....extreme ups (championships, scoring sprees, clutch shots) and extreme downs (trade demands, finals losses, denver issue)...its going to such so hard for me...I will be devestated, I truly will.

When I sometimes here people talk passionately about someone from the 70s, 80s then I think...yawn. Having gone through this now...I fully expect to have the same issue in 30 years when I tell people how AMAZING this dude was that was named after a japanese steak.

I need to mentally prepare myself and that process has begun...I hope I can get in there in time for 2014.


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Re: #NBArank 6: Kobe Bryant

Postby lakersStan24 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:42 am

My Top 10 Are, 1. Kevin Durant 2. Lebron James 3. Kobe Bryant 4. Derrick Rose 5. Dwayne Wade 6. Dwight Howard 7. Carmelo Anthony 8. Chris Paul 9. Dirk Nowitzki 10. Blake Griffin
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