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Re: If Nick Young wasn't on the Lakers....

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:41 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:I know everyone is in full on "half full" mode right now but Jamal Crawford=Nick Young... :man3:

One is a near all star, consistent and plays the game with both his talent and his mind.... the other is very talented but not that cerebral.... The Market set the value of both of these guys and Young was available for a reason. If he was anywhere near Crawford's value he'd be pulling in 5 Million per on a 4 year deal right now for a contender.

I like Young's ability... not sold on his capacity to play within a system however.

As for his attitude. He's had issues with coaches and teammates in the past. He's been run for getting into it with fans and has gotten his share of taunting T's. Call is "swag" if you want.... it's not really part of what the Laker's have been about over the years. If he can control it and play his role he will be a tremendous help.... if not the he will still most likely be better than the guys he's replaced.



^^ Fair enough Roos. You're absolutely right, Nick Young is not as good as Jamal Crawford. For my point I just meant that he should play that kind of role for us - scorer off the bench from the wing spot.

At any rate, I think he's the kind of player in that regard that we've been looking to get for some time. But yes, the realism is he is not at the level of Crawford, agreed.


Oh... I agree. I think I'd rate him as our second most important off season pick up behind Farmer. He is capable of 30 every night and we've had few of those guys on this team. What we'll have to put up with for that explosiveness remains to be seen.

If he ever learns to play under control and with any consistency he could be very good.
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Re: If Nick Young wasn't on the Lakers....

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:43 pm

Punk-101 wrote:He's J.R. Crawford. Is that better, Roos?


Who's that?

Is he better than Broderick Crawford?
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Re: If Nick Young wasn't on the Lakers....

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:46 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:He's J.R. Crawford. Is that better, Roos?


Who's that?

Is he better than Broderick Crawford?


JR Smith/Jamal Crawford hybrid. I could have went with Jamal Smith.

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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby SK8 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:09 pm

I am really cheering for Young i always loved his game, but i hated him when he play against us, because he is always dropping 30 on us no matter who is guarding him :man1:
I hope he will be starter at small forward position when Kobe is back, i don't know how you guys think he and Kobe won't coexist when we didn't even saw one game with those two together.
I know that he like to shoot a lot just like Kobe, but if you think that is problem, how the hell do you expect Kobe-Carmelo duo to coexcist, Melo is even shooting more than Kobe, this could be like "mini test" :D
I also think that Young will calm down when Kobe is back, because our first two options are Kobe then Pau and THAN maybe him and Nash, so that's how i see it.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:56 pm

Young is what he is and exactly what we need; I'm afraid though he's better served coming off the bench then being a spark plug in the role of a Jamal Crawford or JR Smith rather than playing with the starters. Nevertheless, unless we develop another SF that is better which is not the case right now, so he'll be starting.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby LOSLAKERS on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:12 pm

I think Kobe would put Young in check as the season goes on.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Center Court on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:28 pm

Young is a capable starter when he's at the 2 and have a playmaking SF like LeBron who's combo of size and speed can free him up. Otherwise, he's the perfect 6th man scorer like Crawford.

Not sure how he'll fit in once Kobe returns but until then, I'd like to see Pau/Hill/Henry/Young/Nash
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:17 am

I haven't seen enough of him, after only two games, but I have mixed feelings. Granted he can score, but he seems like a knucklehead. A 6th man IMO.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:27 am

playing with kobe at the 3 might be a hard thing to work. but if we get some good ball movement it could work. feel like starting jonhson next to kobe would be smarter and letting young go ham off the bench with farmar and blake next to him
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby ShowTime_IR on Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:01 am

it's a no brainer thats Young have to be our 6th man off the bench.
Johnson will finish better with feeds from Nash and Kobe.
Young can make his own shot and lead the second unit. he's our JR Smith.

I would like a second unit that comes with the most energy.
with Farmer/Blake, Henry, Young, Hill and Kaman.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:50 am

ShowTime_IR wrote:it's a no brainer thats Young have to be our 6th man off the bench.
Johnson will finish better with feeds from Nash and Kobe.
Young can make his own shot and lead the second unit. he's our JR Smith.

I would like a second unit that comes with the most energy.
with Farmer/Blake, Henry, Young, Hill and Kaman.

Closest thing we had to a JR Smith in the Kobe era was Shannon.. The only way I see Young getting enough minutes to be a good 6th man is if he or Kobe plays alot of SF. If Young only sees 20mpg I'll be very disappointed.. We sold him on the opportunity to fill the shoes of Dwight leaving, Earl Clark, Ron Ron.. We all heard him talking about the production we lost making this a good fit for him to come show what he's capable of so he gets a respectable contract next summer.. If he gets 25+ mpg I think we'll see a better outcome for both sides.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:11 am

lakersin4 wrote:The only way I see Young getting enough minutes to be a good 6th man is if he or Kobe plays alot of SF.


Young should play SF and mostly SF. There is no reason for him to play any other position.

You have Kobe, Henry, Blake and Meeks already getting minutes at the 2 anyway. Wes and Young are playing the 3. And if someone gets hurt, X can step in and play the SF as well.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Sirron on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:27 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I haven't seen enough of him, after only two games, but I have mixed feelings. Granted he can score, but he seems like a knucklehead. A 6th man IMO.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Toklat on Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:40 am

I think he is at the perfect age to learn from kobe and nash. He could learn some practice habits that really take him to the next level. He has the talent to make people look bad.. I like that..
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:21 am

karacha wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:The only way I see Young getting enough minutes to be a good 6th man is if he or Kobe plays alot of SF.


Young should play SF and mostly SF. There is no reason for him to play any other position.

You have Kobe, Henry, Blake and Meeks already getting minutes at the 2 anyway. Wes and Young are playing the 3. And if someone gets hurt, X can step in and play the SF as well.

He gets killed on D by sf's but I think that's just something we have to accept.. He'll see minutes at both wing positions until Kobe returns, but I'm wondering if Kobe coming off a serious injury would be better suited to guard slower SF's & keep Young at SG. So many teams are running small lineups.. I'd rather run Young into the ground chasing smaller guards than Kobe.. He'll have issues dealing with their strength & size but so will Young, I think Kobe will adapt better than Young. I'd like to see Young getting 35 mpg as our 6th man coming in at SG to slide Kobe over to SF. Blake can still play enough minutes at SG to give Farmar minutes aslong as Kobe spends most of his time at SF.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:27 pm

He'd get equally killed on D by good shooting guards in the NBA. That does not matter at this point. He's a 3. And even if Kobe switches to full-time SF (where he is also going to get killed by younger athletic small forwards, because it's not like Kobe plays much D at this point in his career), Young will still get the same amount of minutes at the 2; so his situation does not change at all. He'll get minutes.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:27 pm

^^ Young shouldn't be a starter when Kobe comes back largely because of what you point out, Karacha. The defense would be absolutely atrocious. On top of that, as I mentioned earlier - Young is just much better cut out to be a scoring option off the bench. He is too much of a ball stopper to fit with the starters. Couple that with the lack of D and you've got a recipe for disaster if he's with the starters. On the other hand, the bench needs a fearless scorer, even if he's a bit of a black hole. That role is tailor made for Young who scores in bunches. And I think he'll fit really well with an uptempo squad spearheaded by Farmar. I don't care if he plays 2 or 3 with the bench - either way is fine.

Of course, until Kobe does return Young should be a starter to fill that scoring void. There he should be playing the 2.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:33 pm

Lakerjones wrote:^^ Young shouldn't be a starter when Kobe comes back largely because of what you point out, Karacha. The defense would be absolutely atrocious. On top of that, as I mentioned earlier - Young is just much better cut out to be a scoring option off the bench. He is too much of a ball stopper to fit with the starters. Couple that with the lack of D and you've got a recipe for disaster if he's with the starters. On the other hand, the bench needs a fearless scorer, even if he's a bit of a black hole. That role is tailor made for Young who scores in bunches. And I think he'll fit really well with an uptempo squad spearheaded by Farmar. I don't care if he plays 2 or 3 with the bench - either way is fine.

Of course, until Kobe does return Young should be a starter to fill that scoring void. There he should be playing the 2.

Henry and Young off the bench should be a good one-two punch. They're both ball-stoppers, but out in transition they should work really well together. Farmar/Henry/Young/Hill/Kaman should get the job done.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:38 pm

^^ I hear you real, but I've got say, thus far I'd rather see Henry start at 3 than Johnson. We'll see what happens. I also want to see what Harris is capable of at 3. The three spot is really up for grabs right now.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:42 pm

Lakerjones wrote:^^ I hear you real, but I've got say, thus far I'd rather see Henry start at 3 than Johnson. We'll see what happens. I also want to see what Harris is capable of at 3. The three spot is really up for grabs right now.

You run into the same problem with Henry that you do with Young. They're going to stop the ball and stall the offensive flow of more important guys like Gasol and Kobe. It's not their fault necessarily, but they shouldn't be in those situations. Wesley hasn't been impressive so far, but he's the best fit at the 3 for the starters: catch and shoot mostly, play defense, get to the basket.

Henry and Young fit better off the bench where they can have free reign to control the ball.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:04 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:^^ I hear you real, but I've got say, thus far I'd rather see Henry start at 3 than Johnson. We'll see what happens. I also want to see what Harris is capable of at 3. The three spot is really up for grabs right now.

You run into the same problem with Henry that you do with Young. They're going to stop the ball and stall the offensive flow of more important guys like Gasol and Kobe. It's not their fault necessarily, but they shouldn't be in those situations. Wesley hasn't been impressive so far, but he's the best fit at the 3 for the starters: catch and shoot mostly, play defense, get to the basket.

Henry and Young fit better off the bench where they can have free reign to control the ball.


Yeah, I'm not impressed with Johnson so far at all. The staff obviously has time to work this out, and the players have time to determine where they are going to be able to play effectively. But I'm seeing Johnson kind of as Rooscooter has - I'm not seeing the IQ out there to know where to go or what to do. Maybe he'll prove me wrong. But right now he'd be a third stringer in my system, nowhere near starting material.

I vastly prefer Henry as a starter to Young at the 3 just because he seems to actually care a little bit about defense and has the body to get into people. Young doesn't and won't, period. And while Young is ingrained as a black hole scorer, Henry at 22 can be developed and maybe taught something different.

Nonetheless, you may be right and Johnson might get the starting role . . . or maybe even Harris will get it. He might be more of a natural there than the others. We just haven't seen him play much yet this pre-season. Hopefully he'll get some burn at the 3 and we can see how he works there.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:46 pm

Here's the problem: when Kobe has the ball and is creating his own shot while Henry hangs out on the perimeter, is he going to be able to catch it and shoot it? I doubt it. Wesley Johnson has a better shot at that while still providing rangy defense on that end. Henry is better suited being able to control the ball from time to time so that he can get to the rim and finish. That's his strength.

Young we're agreed on. He doesn't play defense. In fact I've watched him often just wander aimlessly in these last two games on that end. He just doesn't get it. Offensively he's great. He has the ability to score and score in bunches. I can see him lighting up for 40 a couple times with the encouragement of Kobe. But he'll never be a playmaker. That much is certain.

I have no idea where this thought is coming from that Wesley is a dumb kid out there. I don't see that at all. He's been underwhelming sure, but I don't know why people think he's got a low IQ. I don't see that.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:21 pm

^^ Hmm. Personally, I'm not saying Wes is dumb - I don't know him or his game at all. But he just does not seem to know where to be on either side of the ball, offense or D. Perhaps that's just getting accustomed to his new teammates and coach. Again, I am not familiar with his game. But thus far I've seen him look straight up lost out there on D and that's supposedly his strength. He's got a good range-y body type for a 3, long arms, and he's got athleticism. Guess we just have to see how it all pans out. The good news is they have time to figure this stuff out. Regular season's still three weeks away and even after that it will take some time to settle in on rotations.

I'm not ruling Johnson out completely, but I'm not sold on him either. Time will tell. But right now I like Henry a lot. I just see more to work with there. Agree with you all the way on Young. Bench scorer? Sure.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:29 pm

I do agree that Young should play heavy minutes, but as a 6th man. That's exactly what the bench needs.

When Kobe comes back, I see Young strictly as a 3. Until then, it really doesn't matter much. But a bench mob of

Farmar/X/Young/Hill and Kaman should be pretty solid. You have speed and athleticism, and you have shooters too. Of course, they will usually play in some combination with one or two starters, which makes it better. For example:

Farmar/Kobe/Wes/Shawne/Pau or
Nash/X or Blake/Young/Hill/Kaman.

That looks solid, and MDA's rotations are usually very good once he figures out who gets minutes and who does not. But Kobe/Young probably won't work. Kobe would get pissed at Young not passing the ball. And he's not going to be passing it much. Nor should he, for that matter. He's paid to chuck shots, and he's pretty good at it.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:59 pm

karacha wrote:I do agree that Young should play heavy minutes, but as a 6th man. That's exactly what the bench needs.

When Kobe comes back, I see Young strictly as a 3. Until then, it really doesn't matter much. But a bench mob of

Farmar/X/Young/Hill and Kaman should be pretty solid. You have speed and athleticism, and you have shooters too. Of course, they will usually play in some combination with one or two starters, which makes it better. For example:

Farmar/Kobe/Wes/Shawne/Pau or
Nash/X or Blake/Young/Hill/Kaman.

That looks solid, and MDA's rotations are usually very good once he figures out who gets minutes and who does not. But Kobe/Young probably won't work. Kobe would get pissed at Young not passing the ball. And he's not going to be passing it much. Nor should he, for that matter. He's paid to chuck shots, and he's pretty good at it.


^^ Agreed.
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