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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:37 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Are we going to offer more than 1 year? Is he really valuable enough to take up 3 to 4 million of cap space for 3 to 4 years on a team that is essentially rebuilding from scratch? He's fun to watch but having a top bench scorer is only really important if you are a team on the brink…… which we are not.


Since we don't have any draft picks, the only way to build a team from our standpoint is to get guys in free agency.....

At the free market price. If we can get him on a home town deal at 4 million a year, heck yea you bring him back. We are just going to be paying for one later on anyway, probably at higher price to boot.

You have to start building a team somewhere. Bringing back Young/Hill/Kelly would at least give us a bench going into next season.


If it's a one year deal I think ownership would do it for 4M….. I don't think Young will however. I'm sure he came here with the idea of a one year tryout with a 4 year deal afterward. He'll get a multi-year offer elsewhere I'm sure.

I agree that we have to pay "retail" for players but I'm not sure Young is a guy that will be here for the full re-build and be part of anything meaningful for us other than a sometimes exciting scorer off the bench.

On the off chance we sign him for a decent multi-year contract he will be a tradable commodity however it seems that we never trade our players with value.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby karacha on Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:38 pm

I'd give him a decent multi-year contract actually. Nothing extravagant, but I'd definitely keep him. Fantastic scoring off the bench, can step in for a starter who is hurt, good locker room presence, enthusiastic, loves playing for the team. he is still 28, and is athletic. 3-year contract would be nice, I think.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Weezy on Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:45 pm

This is not Devean George, this is not Luke Walton, this is not Vlad Rad, and it's not Sasha Vujacic. I would give Young a 3 or 4 year deal for 4+ million per season in a second. How often have we had a bench player that puts up 17 regularly, 20 easily when called upon, and 30 or 40 on any given night? He's shown willingness to improve and work on defense, he's a great teammate, he loves the Lakers, and he's fun to watch. He's everything I love in a player, every player has faults and his are not big enough to bother me, I want him here, just my opinion.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:48 pm

Swaggy P is fun, there's no doubt, and he fills his role nicely, just as I'd hoped he would. We'll see how much he wants to hang around.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:17 pm

Really sucks that we finally get another great 6th man after Lamar & we don't have the core starters in place to make it worth paying him. Hopefully they can put together a plan to keep Swaggy around & add a couple solid starters to get us back where we belong. Being a contender with both Kobe & Swaggy available for big clutch shots would be extremely fun to see. Lamar had to be our 2nd best player for a while until we built the right team, unfortunately we don't have that many years of Kobe left to be as patient as we were.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:22 pm

Weezy wrote:This is not Devean George, this is not Luke Walton, this is not Vlad Rad, and it's not Sasha Vujacic. I would give Young a 3 or 4 year deal for 4+ million per season in a second. How often have we had a bench player that puts up 17 regularly, 20 easily when called upon, and 30 or 40 on any given night? He's shown willingness to improve and work on defense, he's a great teammate, he loves the Lakers, and he's fun to watch. He's everything I love in a player, every player has faults and his are not big enough to bother me, I want him here, just my opinion.


And it's the way he's able to score. Not just a spot up shooter. Not just a slasher. He creates. He can take players off the dribble. He can stop on a dime and pull up. He can draw the foul. A willing passer if someone is open.

These type of players don't come along our team everyday. On a contending team, he's a 6th man. A very good one.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:32 pm

rico swaggy

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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:54 pm

Even if they don't plan on spending big this offseason, bringing back Swaggy would at least keep the building electric every night with Kobe. Something the FO should think about if they plan on waiting for a star to come along.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:42 pm

I'm not quite as high on Young as others here.... he's not Crawford or Terry. To me he's closer to JR Smith without the off the court troubles. He can score in bunches be he can also shoot you out of games. If this was 2011/2012 I'd be all over it but as it stands I would only give him a multi-year deal if it were cheap and after we've explored all our other options.

If he would do a deal for us he would be a trade candidate at next years deadline. We need assets to get better long term.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:05 am

Except Crawford and Terry are just as notoriously streaky as Young was.

Terry had ONE good year. The championship year where he couldn't miss. Otherwise, he's another one of these volume scorer 6th men. Crawford is by far the most inconsistent and is limited to two things: jacking up a long range three or over dribbling his way to a jump shot.

JR Smith is much worse in his decision making and IQ. He forces shots, he's extremely emotional, and he's a terrible locker room guy.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Barnstable on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:03 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Except Crawford and Terry are just as notoriously streaky as Young was.

Terry had ONE good year. The championship year where he couldn't miss. Otherwise, he's another one of these volume scorer 6th men. Crawford is by far the most inconsistent and is limited to two things: jacking up a long range three or over dribbling his way to a jump shot.

JR Smith is much worse in his decision making and IQ. He forces shots, he's extremely emotional, and he's a terrible locker room guy.

Yeah, between the four choices of Young, Crawford, Terry, or Smith, I take Young all day if he can maintain a semblance of what he's done this year.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:58 am

^^Well…. we differ here. Terry, Crawford and Smith are much better players off the bench in meaningful games. Keep in mind I'm not talking about just stats here…. but when the stats come and what games they come in. Young will shoot you out of games just as much as into them. That's why he was available and didn't get any multi-year offers. That will probably change but my bet is that he's still the same guy he's been in the past more than a changed player. There is no pressure to win here. Those other guys are/were in situations where they were integral parts of their teams winning. That is a difference in my book.

Lakerfan2, Terry played huge in huge games. To say he had only one good year is a bit of a blind homer statement IMHO. Terry, at his peak, was a far superior player to Young in every way. The NBA seems to agree in that Terry was never available for a one year rental at 27 years old…. At that age he had just signed a 4 year deal with Dallas for 30 Million…. and was extended after that for another 40 Million. As for "volume" shooter…. his first year in Dallas he played in 80 games and shot 51% from the field. Yeah….. another chucker. Young, 2 seasons over 15ppg on crappy teams….. Terry 11 seasons over 15ppg on good teams…. Terry has a 16.5 playoff ppg average in 95 games.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:17 am

One thing I'll say about Nick Young....he takes PRIDE in being a Laker, something that I feel has been missing since Jim Buss came along. He WANTS to be here and he wants to WIN here. Now, i dont think we should give him 7M a year or something ridiculous...but a 3 year, 12M deal is more than fair. Swaggy went down for a good amount of time and he fought to come back when he saw how loaded we got on the wings. I want Swaggy, X, Hill, Kelly all back next year. Everyone else can piss off. Swaggy truly loves playing for us.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Center Court on Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:12 am

FabFourLakers wrote:One thing I'll say about Nick Young....he takes PRIDE in being a Laker, something that I feel has been missing since Jim Buss came along. He WANTS to be here and he wants to WIN here. Now, i dont think we should give him 7M a year or something ridiculous...but a 3 year, 12M deal is more than fair. Swaggy went down for a good amount of time and he fought to come back when he saw how loaded we got on the wings. I want Swaggy, X, Hill, Kelly all back next year. Everyone else can piss off. Swaggy truly loves playing for us.


This is very well said.

Add in Bazemore (really high on him), Kaman, and Farmar for me. Though I think Kaman is gone. I think the one bright spot this season is that we've found that we have the ingredients to a championship level bench (if they are not forced to become our load bearers due injury)
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby karacha on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:00 pm

Farmar needs his minutes reduced if we want him to stay on the floor.

Otherwise, I agree: Swaggy is a must off the bench if the price is right. Yes, prime Terry was a better player; other then that, Young is good, and if he is used strictly as a bench scorer, the chance of him shooting us out of games is slim -- because when he's not hot, he can go back to the bench. It's a "luxury" scoring option in a way. You can't do that with a starter whose primary role is to score.

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can be great, but he needs to stop trying to play like young Dwyane Wade; otherwise, he's in the same boat as Farmar.

I'm all for Hill staying, but that will cost us. He is a hard worker and a talented big man. But if he's not staying, I don't consider it a huge loss (although I'll be sorry if he is not re-signed).

Kelly should absolutely stay. Young guy, high IQ, tall, can stretch the floor and is willing to learn how to play D? Yes, please.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:39 pm

Nick Young “very confident” he will reach agreement to stay with Lakers
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Lakers forward Nick Young will likely opt out of his $1.22 million player option. But he said he is "very confident" he will reach an agreement to stay with the Lakers
Lakers forward Nick Young will likely opt out of his $1.22 million player option. But he said he is “very confident” he will reach an agreement to stay with the Lakers

A hefty offseason project awaits the Lakers, but it appears they may one measure of clarity surrounding at least one roster spot.

Lakers forward Nick Young said that he’s “very confident” that he will stay with the Lakers even though he plans to opt out of his $1.22 million option.

“I think we’ll come to some kind of agreement,” Young said Thursday after practice. “Hopefully it happens. We’ll have to see what they’re going to do. I know Kobe’s going to want something.”

Young was making a light off-hand remark on how Bryant expressed impatience with the front office last month, worried that they will not put the necessary energy to construct a championship caliber roster. Young has become one of the Lakers’ few bright spots this season, posting career-highs in points (17.8), minutes played (28.2) as well as a relatively improved effort on defense. But Young will likely command something more lucrative than the $1.22 million he would earn should he exercise his player option. Though Young publicly has refused he will do such a thing, he’s expected to do so in hopes of securing a longer and more lucrative deal.

Young said that his agent, Mark Bartelstein, and Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak will have to iron out specifics. But when asked if will be hard to pass up a chance on receiving a hefty pay raise, Young said, “it depends if it’s close enough.”

“Obviously I always wanted to be a Laker,” said Young, a former Cleveland High and USC product. “This would be a dream come true to still be here. But it’s crazy. You never know what happens. Last year they had a whole different team. Obviously they’ll make some changes.”

The Lakers will have up to 12 of their 15 players become free agents in July, leaving Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Robert Sacre as the sole players under contract for the 2014-15 season.

That’s why Young conceded the uncertainty that the Lakers’ two-game homestand against Golden State (Friday) and Memphis (Sunday) may mark his last time at Staples Center wearing a purple and gold uniform, leaving him to order extra tickets for friends and family.

Still, Young offers various examples suggesting the Lakers have some additional advantages.

Young relished rehashing how Kobe Bryant has become a mentor for him in film study, diversifying his scoring and showing better defensive effort. He sounded thrilled about this season playing in front of close ones, eating homecooked meals and becoming a fan favorite. Young shared that he often dreams about giving a speech at a Lakers championship parade, referencing Shaquille O’Neal’s infamous “Can you dig it” chants. Young also expressed confidence the Lakers will rebuild quickly enough to become a title contender again.

“This is home. I would be glad to finish off here as a Laker,” Young said. “My kids go to school and can say my dad was a Laker. That’s big.”



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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Weezy on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:48 pm

If he's being honest, our offer only needs to be close enough to other teams, even if it's less, for him to stay. I think it happens, he's not going to get huge offers out there because he's still thought of as a scorer only, and he's going to be 29 in June, not 25 or something. He still gets mocked on ESPN all the time for having 1 assist Ina game or something, that rep sticks to him and I think that helps us keep him.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:48 pm

I think in addition to him having that "rep", another thing that will go against him in negotiations is that our team wasn't very good this year. He can't demand something in the 5-7M range for the simple fact that our team SUCKED. Other teams aren't going to throw him that either. I think the most he'll get is 4M. Unfotunately guys like him and Nate RObinson are just never gonna get the type of money other wings (like JJ Redick) got becuase of their reps of being knuckleheads and chuckers (and Jordan Crawford will soon join this group). Young will always kinda be a journeyman, sort of like a Matt Barnes...he's never gonna get that big contract. I think he will stay with us because we will come in with a modest offer (My guess is 3 years, 9M), and other teams may offer him more money but less years. The key is 3 years in my opinion. We have to offer at least 3 years.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:58 am

Man, I really like Swaggy P. I was stoked to get him here this year. I love his attitude, love his swag. He's a guy you can really root for and we have too few of those.

But, if I'm honest, a bench scorer is about the last thing we truly need here right now. We need a starting level PG - maybe that's Farmar but he's been so injury prone this year. We need bigs. We need a starting level small forward who will play both sides of the ball, unlike Swaggy. We need a bunch of cheap young or vet players for the bench. We need it all basically except the shooting guard position which is covered by Kobe and let's face it, Nick Young plays much of that same role. He's a wing scorer.

To me, that's not a spot we should be spending our cap space on, especially if it's for a number of years going forward.

Bench scoring 6th men are a great thing to have if you are a contending team. It lightens the load for the starters and keeps the momentum rolling in big games.

But we need STARTERS! A bench scorer is a luxury I don't see how we can afford right now given all of our enormous holes.

On the other hand, Nick is a hometown guy, and very fun for the Staples crowd to cheer for. That does hold value. Just not sure it's enough.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby SK8 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:19 pm

Best 6th man since 2010-2011 Lamar Odom.
Whatever happens with Nick next season, i will always be his fan and i wish him the best, this was "audition" season for him, and he did great.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:53 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:I think in addition to him having that "rep", another thing that will go against him in negotiations is that our team wasn't very good this year. He can't demand something in the 5-7M range for the simple fact that our team SUCKED. Other teams aren't going to throw him that either. I think the most he'll get is 4M. Unfotunately guys like him and Nate RObinson are just never gonna get the type of money other wings (like JJ Redick) got becuase of their reps of being knuckleheads and chuckers (and Jordan Crawford will soon join this group). Young will always kinda be a journeyman, sort of like a Matt Barnes...he's never gonna get that big contract. I think he will stay with us because we will come in with a modest offer (My guess is 3 years, 9M), and other teams may offer him more money but less years. The key is 3 years in my opinion. We have to offer at least 3 years.


Sometimes the "rep" is deserved you know.... :man12: We see what happens on the court.... we don't elsewhere. Young has the talent but, as you pointed out, has never stuck with a team as a "needed" player.

It makes sense to stay in LA for us because he's a local guy that can get a few seats filled. WTS I don't expect that we will give him anything more than a 1 year deal or a team option for a second year. We got bigger fish to catch and tying up money on him doesn't get us closer to getting the top talent in here we need.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby unpossibl1 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:48 pm

I love what Young said about taking less money to return to the Lakers. I think that he truly understands that being a Laker means more than being a part of any other team in the league. I would be excited if we could get him back on a three year, 10 million contract, although maybe that's wishful thinking.

However, I also think his comments about not tanking so a drafted player doesn't take "his spot" is extremely short sighted and selfish. If he truly wants the Lakers to return back to Championship level he should want us to get the best draft pick possible, which would require us to lose the remaining three games this season. Playing the "playa hater" role only hurts the franchise he seems to love so much. I'm really hoping his comments are simply for the media and that within the organization they understand the benefit of losing our remaining games, especially with Boston winning recently.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:14 pm

unpossibl1 wrote:However, I also think his comments about not tanking so a drafted player doesn't take "his spot" is extremely short sighted and selfish. .


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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby unpossibl1 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:49 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
unpossibl1 wrote:However, I also think his comments about not tanking so a drafted player doesn't take "his spot" is extremely short sighted and selfish. .


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Confused? I'll simplify. Better draft pick=better chance at getting a superstar (either through the draft or trade). 1 Superstar=easier to attract other superstars. Multiple superstars=contender. I would like to think Young wants to play on a contending Lakers team, therefore he should want a better draft pick, which we get by losing.

Trying to win out of fear a rookie will take his minutes when the franchise benefits only from losses = short sighted and selfish.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way Young plays but it's time to be smart about things.
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Re: Nick Young Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:31 pm

unpossibl1 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
unpossibl1 wrote:However, I also think his comments about not tanking so a drafted player doesn't take "his spot" is extremely short sighted and selfish. .


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Confused? I'll simplify. Better draft pick=better chance at getting a superstar (either through the draft or trade). 1 Superstar=easier to attract other superstars. Multiple superstars=contender. I would like to think Young wants to play on a contending Lakers team, therefore he should want a better draft pick, which we get by losing.

Trying to win out of fear a rookie will take his minutes when the franchise benefits only from losses = short sighted and selfish.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way Young plays but it's time to be smart about things.


I wasn't confused. Do you take this same outlook for your job? Purposely suck at it so your employer gets better upgrades for the future.
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