OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

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Postby Armani on Mon May 13, 2013 2:01 pm

JSM wrote:I would trade Shaq first, but if we had to trade Kobe, here are some possibilities.

Kobe

for

Ray Allen and Ronald Murray
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Kobe

for

Quentin Richardson and Elton Brand
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Kobe and George

for

Caron Butler, Wade, and Jones
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Kobe and George

for

T-Mac, Lue, and Gooden
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Kobe

for

AI and Dalembert
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Kobe and Slava

for

Vince, Bosh, and Peterson



Damn, some of these trades. Trying to imagine Q-Rich and Brand instead of Kobe.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Chillbongo on Mon May 13, 2013 3:04 pm

So did the league suck back then or was Kobe overrated?

Or was it that Mitch didn't buy his magic wand yet?
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Postby FabFourLakers on Mon May 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:Kobe aint going nowhere...management wants him and kobe knows he will get all the money he wants, the coach he wants and the players he wants he is in full control


Exactly....this thread is now void seeing how Kobe has got Buss and the Laker organization by the balls.....I love Kobe as a player (loved him as a person too, before he messed up on Vanessa and his new born Natalia), but lets just say we swapped Kobe and MJ in the same scenario we were in with the Pistons in the Finals.....MJ would have not let us lose that series with all the resources we had.....MJ found ways to win....Kobe found ways to get himself shots.....theres the discrepancy people and until Kobe doesn't conform to winning (which is with Shaq by the way) then the Lakers organization will see dark days....even with Kobe running the show! :bang:



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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Weezy on Mon May 13, 2013 4:29 pm

You can't call him out on something he said almost a decade ago. Most fans back then were choosing sides, it was Shaq Laker fans vs Kobe Laker fans almost. And Kobe did have a bad Pistons series, from what I remember he decided to try and be the man that series and perhaps go for Finals MVP for the first time when Shaq couldn't be guarded.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 4:31 pm

2004 Finals was horrible. Everybody was bad. Shaq, Phil & Kobe included. The glue that was holding the team together was injured and could barely play (Malone). Shaq and Kobe were the only guys on the team who averaged double figures in points for that series. Slava and Fisher both reached 10 points once and that was a blowout in game 5.
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Re: Re:

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon May 13, 2013 6:38 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:Kobe aint going nowhere...management wants him and kobe knows he will get all the money he wants, the coach he wants and the players he wants he is in full control


Exactly....this thread is now void seeing how Kobe has got Buss and the Laker organization by the balls.....I love Kobe as a player (loved him as a person too, before he messed up on Vanessa and his new born Natalia), but lets just say we swapped Kobe and MJ in the same scenario we were in with the Pistons in the Finals.....MJ would have not let us lose that series with all the resources we had.....MJ found ways to win....Kobe found ways to get himself shots.....theres the discrepancy people and until Kobe doesn't conform to winning (which is with Shaq by the way) then the Lakers organization will see dark days....even with Kobe running the show! :bang:



I'm sorry but I'm calling you out on this one Vash....lol.

Thanks Weez, but I got this....

Kobe did have the organization by the balls...fire Phil, trade Shaq and the next day, he resigns.
This wasn't the Kobe we see out there doing anything he can FOR the team...this was a Kobe that wanted a team FOR him. His way, or he's donning Clipper red, white and blue.

Even though its the most recent version of him, lets look past Suns/Cavs/Celtics :mad1: Shaq...let's instead pay attention to the Heat version. In year 1, he helped the Heat to the 2nd best record in the league and and they were a Game 7 win (against the defending champ Pistons) away from going to the Finals. The next year, they took that step and won a title.

Before he got traded, Shaq was asking for a 3 year extension. He gave Miami a good 2 years and he wasn't so shabby in year 3, but if LA wanted to trade him then, he would have been a huge expiring K.

I have no doubt that you paired up Shaq and Kobe for 2 to 3 more years and we could have got another title. An immature Kobe at that time wanted to be the man and it took us to a place where we hadn't been for 11 years...outside the playoffs, looking in.

The one thing I did like about the experience is that Kobe grew the F up. After getting past the Colorado thing, he focused on hoops...he made amends and asked for Phil back...he knew he needed help and forced for it to come by demanding a trade. That is where my MJ comment stems from. MJ had an ego, but at the same time he knew how much a guy like Pippen helped him in getting rings. Meanwhile Shaq and Kobe took each other for granted. Both were idiots, but at that time, IMHO, Kobe held all the cards and decided to muck 'em. You can't deny Shaq wanted an extension...so he wanted stay. Phil had Jeanie and after a year sabbitical he returned, so he wanted to stay....yet both got thrown to the curb.

Missing the playoffs, Chucky Fatkins, Tierrble Brown, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Grant, Shamu Williams...is it dark enough for you?...or would you like me to continue?

The dark days came and then they ended...but not after 4 years of not being a true title contender.

Now I'm calling you out Fab4....was I right, or wasn't I? :man9:
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby snackdaddy on Mon May 13, 2013 7:24 pm

Doc Brown wrote:What were you guys doing here back then?

Much like a 15 year old boys browsing history when his mom is on his computer.......this should have been deleted so no one could see. :man10:


Or a middle aged guy when his wife is on the computer. :man10:
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Weezy on Mon May 13, 2013 7:46 pm

I do understand Kobe not wanting to play with Shaq 3 more years though, being a huge part of the Lakers getting the Lakers to the Finals every season and then watching Shaq win Finals MVPs. He wanted to win on his own and I get that, he wanted an MJ type legacy, not Pippen. And even though he was more an equal partner than a sidekick, that's not how the media would have viewed it, especially since they love Shaq and Kobe had become a villain. I thought Shaq was declining in 2004 anyway, he was out of shape more than ever, and he was missing more gimmes than he ever had all season, it was strange, I was not sad to see him go.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby D.B. Cooper on Mon May 13, 2013 7:53 pm

This should be locked
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby dj vitus on Mon May 13, 2013 9:27 pm

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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Doc Brown on Mon May 13, 2013 9:34 pm

dj vitus wrote::toilet3:


Paul Pierce huh?
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby dj vitus on Mon May 13, 2013 9:56 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
dj vitus wrote::toilet3:


Paul Pierce huh?

Yup, Paul freakin Pierce.











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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby karacha on Mon May 13, 2013 9:58 pm

Many of those players were good, very good even. But they got old, and Kobe continued to play at the elite level. Unbelievable.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Legendary on Mon May 13, 2013 10:30 pm

Even though it's fun to jump in the DeLorean and revisit these threads...it leads to nothing but bitter rebuttals and "I-told-you-so's"...after the fact.

Hell...I was a proponent of bringing Jermaine O'Neal here....I even made a sig for it. :freak2:

I'll say this, it's a good thing none of us actually have Mitch's job.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby 432J on Tue May 14, 2013 6:53 am

:man10: :man10: :man10:

what a treat to see this! almost ten years ago too. i cant help but just shake my head and laugh at most of these. kobe for q-rich and brand? or better yet, my favorite so far, kobe for mobley and maurice taylor!

was this a result of people panicking after the finals loss to detroit or was he really that undervalued back then? from what i remember, it's not like he had a terrible season. yes there was the trial and then the loss in the finals but he had a pretty good season from what i recall. shaq on the other hand, had a pretty bad season that year. he looked more out of shape and not into the game than he ever had before. dude was pretty much done by then anyways, he had like 2 more great seasons before becoming a journeyman
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Tue May 14, 2013 7:02 am

Kobe was not under valued. He was threatening to leave. So this was the result of his threat, a trade thread. No shame in giving opinion on the matter. I should know, I wanted Dampier for Shaq, which was my first post on CL. :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue May 14, 2013 9:42 am

Legendary wrote:Even though it's fun to jump in the DeLorean and revisit these threads...it leads to nothing but bitter rebuttals and "I-told-you-so's"...after the fact.

Hell...I was a proponent of bringing Jermaine O'Neal here....I even made a sig for it. :freak2:

I'll say this, it's a good thing none of us actually have Mitch's job.


This x 100. I know it's a forum and we're all entitled to give our opinions, obviously. Also, you can't judge somebody from a proposed trade involving Kobe almost 10 years ago. Different circumstances altogether. WTS, most of us (including myself) have knee jerk reactions and want to act out of impulse trading somebody or firing someone when it doesn't meet our criteria. Mitch has done a fantastic job in that regard; staying calm, patient, and putting the best product on the floor, so our team could win championships. Is he perfect? Nope. But he's one of the better GM's in the league, and I'm glad we have him.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue May 14, 2013 9:56 am

Legendary wrote:Even though it's fun to jump in the DeLorean and revisit these threads...it leads to nothing but bitter rebuttals and "I-told-you-so's"...after the fact.

Hell...I was a proponent of bringing Jermaine O'Neal here....I even made a sig for it. :freak2:

I'll say this, it's a good thing none of us actually have Mitch's job.




shoot, i wanted to trade Kobe for Weber and Peja back in the day
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Forklift on Tue May 14, 2013 11:43 am

lol i leave for about a month and find this thread on the front page lol. Gave me a scary how crazy you guys went then realized that it was an old thread lolol.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Tue May 14, 2013 1:32 pm

Omg! :bang: :man10:
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby JGC on Tue May 14, 2013 2:21 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
Legendary wrote:Even though it's fun to jump in the DeLorean and revisit these threads...it leads to nothing but bitter rebuttals and "I-told-you-so's"...after the fact.

Hell...I was a proponent of bringing Jermaine O'Neal here....I even made a sig for it. :freak2:

I'll say this, it's a good thing none of us actually have Mitch's job.


This x 100. I know it's a forum and we're all entitled to give our opinions, obviously. Also, you can't judge somebody from a proposed trade involving Kobe almost 10 years ago. Different circumstances altogether. WTS, most of us (including myself) have knee jerk reactions and want to act out of impulse trading somebody or firing someone when it doesn't meet our criteria. Mitch has done a fantastic job in that regard; staying calm, patient, and putting the best product on the floor, so our team could win championships. Is he perfect? Nope. But he's one of the better GM's in the league, and I'm glad we have him.


But people need to be held accountable for the things they say. Also, going back also helps establish who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Punk-101 on Tue May 14, 2013 2:43 pm

JGC wrote:
But people need to be held accountable for the things they say. Also, going back also helps establish who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

True. Some posters like to use shame, with condescending and smug posting styles in addition to the facts and reasoned arguments to make their point. Threads like this serve them well.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Weezy on Tue May 14, 2013 3:02 pm

JGC wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:
Legendary wrote:Even though it's fun to jump in the DeLorean and revisit these threads...it leads to nothing but bitter rebuttals and "I-told-you-so's"...after the fact.

Hell...I was a proponent of bringing Jermaine O'Neal here....I even made a sig for it. :freak2:

I'll say this, it's a good thing none of us actually have Mitch's job.


This x 100. I know it's a forum and we're all entitled to give our opinions, obviously. Also, you can't judge somebody from a proposed trade involving Kobe almost 10 years ago. Different circumstances altogether. WTS, most of us (including myself) have knee jerk reactions and want to act out of impulse trading somebody or firing someone when it doesn't meet our criteria. Mitch has done a fantastic job in that regard; staying calm, patient, and putting the best product on the floor, so our team could win championships. Is he perfect? Nope. But he's one of the better GM's in the league, and I'm glad we have him.


But people need to be held accountable for the things they say. Also, going back also helps establish who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.



Not sure if serious, but if so, people don't need to be held accountable for things they said a decade ago. People change, opinions change, circumstances change, players change, hell the NBA changes, that's way too long to be held accountable. I wouldn't even want to be held accountable for things I said 2 or3 seasons ago, players I wanted or was happy to see signed or traded for, things change, or you learn as you go.
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 3:04 pm

^^ I see what was done there :man12:
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Re: OFFICAL KOBE TRADE PROPOSALS THREAD

Postby Frank Dux on Tue May 14, 2013 10:36 pm

JGC wrote:
But people need to be held accountable for the things they say. Also, going back also helps establish who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.



100% of CL members have come up with a stupid trade idea, or a bad player evaluation at some point. No poster should be held accountable for a post that is ten years old. Don't you think that's a bit jerk-ish and smug? It's just a forum...
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