FabFourLakers wrote: Vasashi17 wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:Kobe aint going nowhere...management wants him and kobe knows he will get all the money he wants, the coach he wants and the players he wants he is in full control
Exactly....this thread is now void seeing how Kobe has got Buss and the Laker organization by the balls.....I love Kobe as a player (loved him as a person too, before he messed up on Vanessa and his new born Natalia), but lets just say we swapped Kobe and MJ in the same scenario we were in with the Pistons in the Finals.....MJ would have not let us lose that series with all the resources we had.....MJ found ways to win....Kobe found ways to get himself shots.....theres the discrepancy people and until Kobe doesn't conform to winning (which is with Shaq by the way) then the Lakers organization will see dark days....even with Kobe running the show!
I'm sorry but I'm calling you out on this one Vash....lol.
Thanks Weez, but I got this....
Kobe did have the organization by the balls...fire Phil, trade Shaq and the next day, he resigns.
This wasn't the Kobe we see out there doing anything he can FOR the team...this was a Kobe that wanted a team FOR him. His way, or he's donning Clipper red, white and blue.
Even though its the most recent version of him, lets look past Suns/Cavs/Celtics
Shaq...let's instead pay attention to the Heat version. In year 1, he helped the Heat to the 2nd best record in the league and and they were a Game 7 win (against the defending champ Pistons) away from going to the Finals. The next year, they took that step and won a title.
Before he got traded, Shaq was asking for a 3 year extension. He gave Miami a good 2 years and he wasn't so shabby in year 3, but if LA wanted to trade him then, he would have been a huge expiring K.
I have no doubt that you paired up Shaq and Kobe for 2 to 3 more years and we could have got another title. An immature Kobe at that time wanted to be the man and it took us to a place where we hadn't been for 11 years...outside the playoffs, looking in.
The one thing I did like about the experience is that Kobe grew the F up. After getting past the Colorado thing, he focused on hoops...he made amends and asked for Phil back...he knew he needed help and forced for it to come by demanding a trade. That is where my MJ comment stems from. MJ had an ego, but at the same time he knew how much a guy like Pippen helped him in getting rings. Meanwhile Shaq and Kobe took each other for granted. Both were idiots, but at that time, IMHO, Kobe held all the cards and decided to muck 'em. You can't deny Shaq wanted an extension...so he wanted stay. Phil had Jeanie and after a year sabbitical he returned, so he wanted to stay....yet both got thrown to the curb.
Missing the playoffs, Chucky Fatkins, Tierrble Brown, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Grant, Shamu Williams...is it dark enough for you?...or would you like me to continue?
The dark days came and then they ended...but not after 4 years of not being a true title contender.
Now I'm calling you out Fab4....was I right, or wasn't I?