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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:29 pm

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Seven trades that should happen
As the trade deadline nears, here are seven deals we would like to see
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If research from ESPN Stats & Information is any indication, we're in for plenty of jersey-swapping this week. Over the past five trade deadlines, we've seen about seven deals (7.2 to be exact) on deadline day. That, coincidentally, is the same number of trades that Memphis VP of basketball ops John Hollinger predicted would go down leaguewide by Thursday.

If that's the case, here are seven deals that I'd like to see go down, given each team's strengths and weaknesses and cap situation.


Bledsoe
1. Eric Bledsoe to the Jazz
Utah Jazz receive: Eric Bledsoe, Caron Butler and Ronny Turiaf. Los Angeles Clippers receive: Paul Millsap and Alec Burks. The deal in Trade Machine.

The Utah Jazz have one of those "good problems" on their hands: They have too many starter-quality big men on their roster. This puts them in a very desirable position at the trade deadline because they possess a surplus that can be used to fill a need (backcourt help).

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Enter Eric Bledsoe. The rumored swap (detailed in-depth here by our own Bradford Doolittle) makes sense on almost every level for the Jazz. They net a potential star in Bledsoe while giving up Millsap, who may be nothing more than a temporary placeholder for Derrick Favors or Enes Kanter in Utah's frontcourt. Bledsoe is averaging 15.9 points, 5.5 assists and 5.2 rebounds every 36 minutes this season, and Utah would have every reason to give him that kind of playing time.

As for the Clippers? Millsap would help raise the team's No. 21 ranking in defensive rebounding rate and give them some much-needed scoring punch down low. Lamar Odom was supposed to be that guy, but he's scored double digits just once this season. The Clippers could go big and slot the 6-foot-8 Millsap at the 3, which would give them one of the league's most formidable frontcourts. Would it guarantee a better shot at the title? It's certainly a safer bet than Odom's becoming a reliable NBA player again.


Garnett
2. Kevin Garnett to the Thunder
Boston Celtics receive: Toronto's first-round pick, Kendrick Perkins, Eric Maynor and Perry Jones.Oklahoma City Thunder receive: Kevin Garnett, Chris Wilcox and Jason Collins. The deal in Trade Machine.

We going to fall for this again? Few people remember this, but Garnett told everyone in June 2007 that he wouldn't accept a trade to Boston. And then, of course, he did. So take Garnett's recent insistence that he won't waive his no-trade clause with a grain of salt. As Garnett famously howled once before, anything's possible.

Garnett in OKC makes almost too much sense on the court. Something tells me Garnett wants to win a title above all else and Boston probably can't do that for him anymore, not with Rondo out of the picture. Now that the Lakers and Grizzlies have fallen out of the title-contention circle, Perkins doesn't make sense on the roster. Garnett, as a defensive maestro and leader, does.

Of course, Boston doesn't even think about this deal unless they've committed to rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. That Toronto pick could easily end up in the top seven once Rudy Gay decides to stop making every do-or-die shot at the buzzer. And if healthy, Perry Jones has about as high of a ceiling as any player in the draft (to reiterate: if healthy). Boston probably balks at this deal even with the young, high-upside pieces, but it's too tantalizing from OKC's standpoint not to mention.


Redick
3. J.J. Redick to the Denver Nuggets
Denver Nuggets receive: J.J. Redick. Orlando Magic receive: Timofey Mozgov, 2016 Knicks first-round pick. The deal in Trade Machine.

Look around the league, and it's hard to find a team that couldn't use a player like Redick, who is shooting and dishing (five assists per 36 minutes) like a lesser version of Stephen Curry this season. But the Denver Nuggets stand out because they rank sixth-worst in 3-point percentage and have a massive $13 million trade exception from the Nene trade last season.

After a hot start, Corey Brewer has shot a putrid 23 percent from downtown since Jan. 1, which wouldn't be so bad if he didn't think he was Steve Kerr out there. Brewer is probably more suited to be a defensive specialist than a "3-and-D" player, and Redick would give the Nuggets the spacing they desperately need.

The Magic won't give up Redick for nothing, which is why the Nuggets could toss in the 2016 first-rounder from the Knicks along with a serviceable young big in Mozgov, who probably deserves more PT than he's gotten in Denver. Such a deal would -- and let's be honest -- allow the Magic to chase a top-three pick in next season's draft and net another pick down the line. Redick makes much more sense for a contender; otherwise, his talents will be wasted on a basement-dwelling team.


Nash
4. Steve Nash to the Indiana Pacers
Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace, Jordan Hill and Steve Blake. Los Angeles Lakers receive: Danny Granger, George Hill, Lance Stephenson and Ben Hansbrough. The deal in Trade Machine.

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.

Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.

As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.


Smith
5. Josh Smith to the Spurs
San Antonio Spurs receive: Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, Ivan Johnson. Atlanta Hawks receive: Tiago Splitter, Stephen Jackson, Boris Diaw, future first-round pick. The deal in Trade Machine.

What could an athletic marvel like Josh Smith become under the guidance of coach Gregg Popovich? The Spurs could look to stand pat at the deadline and try again to win the Western Conference finals for the first time since 2008. But with OKC and the Clippers looking strong as ever, the Spurs may want to go all-in while they still can.

Smith would arrive with the obvious red flags: maddening shot selection, occasional defensive apathy and a maturity level that has led to team-administered suspensions. But Popovich has worked wonders before (look no further than this version of Boris Diaw) and the Spurs could use an injection of youth for the stretch run, especially if the 35-year-old Ginobili continues to be limited with a pesky hamstring strain.

Ideally, the Hawks could pry Kawhi Leonard from the Spurs, but the prospect of landing Splitter may be enough. For the second straight season, Splitter has a 20-plus player efficiency rating and per-minute numbers that scream above-average starter. As an efficient post presence, he'd fit well next to an inside-out talent like Al Horford, perhaps more so than Smith. Jackson is mostly a salary dump, and the future first-rounder would offset having to take on Diaw. All in all, the Hawks stay flexible long term without losing Smith for nothing.


Evans
6. Tyreke Evans to 76ers
Philadelphia 76ers receive: Tyreke Evans. Sacramento Kings receive: Evan Turner and Arnett Moultrie. The deal in Trade Machine.

The ultimate "change of scenery" trade. With the Kings in the midst of a possible sale, it's highly unlikely they would sign off on a deadline deal involving Evans, who was once considered the future of the franchise. But even so, it's clear that the partnership with DeMarcus Cousins and Evans isn't working; the Kings have lost by 7.8 points per 48 minutes with that duo on the court, which is somehow worse than the team's average score margin overall.

The Kings and 76ers find themselves in similar predicaments with Evans and Turner. Like Evans, Turner hasn't found his groove since being a top-five pick, and the Philadelphia organization has clearly (and justifiably) favored another youngster (Jrue Holiday). Aside from an improved 3-point shot, Turner has been stuck in neutral since his debut season, and with a 12.7 PER he remains one of the biggest busts in recent drafts.

The Kings would probably need another asset besides Turner since Evans is the superior player. Moultrie may not be enough to make it worthwhile, but Lavoy Allen isn't exactly lighting the NBA on fire, either. Still, something feels right about a swap centered around Turner and Evans. Both franchises could use some fresh faces on the floor.


Jefferson
7. Al Jefferson to the Phoenix Suns
Phoenix Suns receive Al Jefferson, Mo Williams and Earl Watson. Utah Jazz receive Goran Dragic, Marcin Gortat, Channing Frye and Wesley Johnson. The deal in Trade Machine.

A straight salary dump for a Suns franchise that is going nowhere and fast. Like the Dallas Mavericks, the Utah Jazz have an array of expiring contracts that could be attractive for teams looking to slash long-term payroll. By firing coach Al Gentry earlier this season, the Suns have clearly waved the white flag on 2012-13, and starting from scratch appears to be the No. 1 priority going forward. If there is a priority list.

At this point, the Suns should engage in full-out tank mode for the top pick in the draft, even though University of Kentucky star Nerlens Noel recently tore his ACL. Dealing Dragic and Gortat now would probably ensure a top-three pick, especially with a healthy John Wall steering the Wizards out the basement.

If the Jazz can't land Bledsoe, they should direct their attention to Dragic, who is quietly delivering another solid campaign at 26 years old. He's young enough to grow with Favors and Kanter, but savvy enough to make some noise in the playoffs with this Jazz crew. Gortat's contract expires after the 2013-14 season and he could be trade bait at the end of the season if he doesn't fit with the team's plans long term.

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Postby Kit on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:31 pm

Thanks for the copy and paste, Doc.
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Postby jayloot on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:34 pm

I'd do that trade. I'd miss Hill, but the rest of them can go.
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Postby The Laker Link on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:35 pm

Kit wrote:Thanks for the copy and paste, Doc.


Ditto.

The Nash Trade is interesting, but I HIGHLY doubt it will happen. I really don't see anything changing during the Deadline, and I really see this team staying mainly intact into next season, hopefully we can add some good bench and turn things around. I guess we'll see.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:35 pm

indy trade would look alot nicer w/o Nash involved :man10: , indy can keep Hill.
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Postby The Laker Link on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:36 pm

khmrP wrote:indy trade would look alot nicer w/o Nash involved :man10: , indy can keep Hill.


:man1: :man9:

Who would be sent instead of Nash
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Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:39 pm

The Laker Link wrote:
khmrP wrote:indy trade would look alot nicer w/o Nash involved :man10: , indy can keep Hill.


:man1: :man9:

Who would be sent instead of Nash


Duhon :man10: , trade checker on real gm would still work w/o Nash/Hill invovled, looks like this

Metta, Blake, Duhon, Hill
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Granger, B. Hansoborough, Stephenson

of course, it would take some mythical wand power to get Indy to accept :man10:
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Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:40 pm

Lakers aren't going to do Nash like that. One of the main reasons he's here is to be close to his kids.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:45 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Lakers aren't going to do Nash like that. One of the main reasons he's here is to be close to his kids.


This. Nash signed here to win, but he also chose LA over Toronto and NY to be closer to his kids. I don't think we trade the guy who has been such a good teammate in a terrible season unless he actually asked to be traded to a winning situation, which he won't.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:50 pm

I was thinking that...but we did LO & D fish dirty. And tons of other dudes who were more tied to the Lakers than Nash.

It would only happen because this season has been an utter disaster.

I'm sketch on Granger due to injury...but he is expiring in 2014. Hmmm....

To me Dwight is the issue not Nash, but D12's contract situation effs it all up.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:53 pm

How did we do "LO and D Fish dirty"? LO was traded for Chris Paul, there's no loyalty when it comes to a player like that. And Fisher, his daughter was better, there was no longer a need to be in LA, he was traded to improve the team and beacause of it he got to go to the Thunder and play in the Finals again.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:01 pm

Well granted I can't argue that getting Chris Paul would have completely justified trading LO. But right after winning 6th man of the year? With his locker room presence and ties to Kobe/Artest/Pau/Fish? I know LO got us Nash, but that hasn't exactly panned out...even though hindsight is 20/20.

Same goes for Fish too, granted it was the "right" move. These guys WERE our chemistry. Straight up. And while irrelevant, these moves really did us no good in terms of Laker success. 2nd round exit and now we're looking at no playoffs.

"Doing someone dirty" is just another way of saying the NBA is a business. In that case, why wouldn't we trade Nash if it was to make the team better now?

If we've learned one thing this year, it's that chemistry trumps talent on paper.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:06 pm

I see, that's not my known definition of the phrase. To me it means telling someone they won't be traded, letting them buy a new house in town thinking they're safe, then shipping them to some terrible team or city for a salary dump. The NBA IS a business, that's not doing someone dirty to me, that's just being smart, LO's value was never higher after winning 6th Man, that's why you trade him. Fisher's value would only get lower, and he wouldn't accept being a backup to a guy like Sessions, so he had to go.
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Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:12 pm

business is not the same as "doing someone dirty" what Det. did to Prince was Dirty.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:14 pm

Well sure, but we don't know what was told to LO do we? Or Fisher? You don't think Fisher had plans to retire in LA? It's easy for us to sit here and judge having not known anything. My only argument is that those guys were WAY more tied to LA than Nash. That's a fact.

While I may have been a little exaggerated in my use of that phrase, I don't see how trading Nash wouldn't be almost the same situation or why the team wouldn't bite on it if they got a reasonable offer. Actually IND is a pretty darn good team, and with Nash they could be better.

And again, I know hindsight is 20/20, but it's not like we actually got better after those moves. In a capacity (because of injuries too) we've become worse, and our team chemistry has taken a huge huge hit.
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Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:16 pm

Weezy wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:Lakers aren't going to do Nash like that. One of the main reasons he's here is to be close to his kids.


This. Nash signed here to win, but he also chose LA over Toronto and NY to be closer to his kids. I don't think we trade the guy who has been such a good teammate in a terrible season unless he actually asked to be traded to a winning situation, which he won't.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:23 pm

Chillbongo wrote:And again, I know hindsight is 20/20, but it's not like we actually got better after those moves. In a capacity (because of injuries too) we've become worse, and our team chemistry has taken a huge huge hit.


That's a totally different discussion than what is going on here though. And to be fair, we're not better because Chris Paul was taken away and LO asked to go. Eventually we turned LO into Nash though, and Fisher got us Hill. You can't honestly tell me that without the injuries to both we aren't better than we would be if we still had an ancient Fisher, and a fat, red eyed, old LO. I'm not even sure that was your point, but if it is you can't have well thought that out, those moves were smart, that they haven't worked out so far doesn't make them any less great. Just like the Dwight trade, you do that every time no matter the result, it was smart, Bynum still hasn't played a game and at the very worst Dwight walks and is a big salary off the books, or is a fantastic trade piece.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:35 pm

Right, I think this was based off the notion that I suggested that trading Nash would be just like trading Fisher and LO.

You disagreed, and said that because of familial reasons or management's loyalty to Nash, it wouldn't happen.

My only point was to say that if it could happen to Fish/LO, then trading Nash to improve the team is completely possible, and that IND is actually a great team so it wouldn't be that bad for him.

Anyways, I think Dwight is the real issue but if we could get something valuable for Nash I'd definitely explore the idea and I'm sure Mitch has done that.
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Postby Shadow on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:48 pm

Lakerjones wrote:Lakers aren't going to do Nash like that. One of the main reasons he's here is to be close to his kids.


They did it to Gary Payton, why would Nash be any different? Just saying, with Jim Buss now in the driver's seat, you never know..
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:53 pm

I see, I see, yeah the point kinda got lost there, mine and me getting yours. I see what you mean, if LO and Fish can be traded Nash can, but my original point was about that. LO was traded for one of the NBA'a best players, then because he asked to be. Fish was traded because it was time to move on. As little as Nash has been like Nash he's still way better than Fisher and he's barely had any time to make his mark on this team with the injury that had him out so long. That, combined with him coming here for his kids, taking a little less money to do so, and being a great teammate all season through such turmoil leads me to believe it would have to be an amazing offer for us.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:06 pm

Agreed -- hopefully this trade talk about Nash will drive up the value we can get for Dwight...
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Postby lakersin4 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:14 pm

I'd take that deal for Granger & Hill in a heartbeat. 2 good young 2 way players.. Exactly what we need.. Nash hasn't been himself this season at all. Hate to give up Jordan Hill but what can you do. As constructed we're too old & slow.
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Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:18 pm

Weezy wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:Lakers aren't going to do Nash like that. One of the main reasons he's here is to be close to his kids.


This. Nash signed here to win, but he also chose LA over Toronto and NY to be closer to his kids. I don't think we trade the guy who has been such a good teammate in a terrible season unless he actually asked to be traded to a winning situation, which he won't.

This.

Although It'd be interesting to see a Howard/Granger/Kobe lineup. I think Granger would do really well here. And I think having another young-ish stud around would help Howard's abysmal attitude.
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