Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue May 08, 2012 11:10 pm

lakerzkb8 wrote:^ 5 star bump. Insightful post. Will read again.

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Actually it is ... when you see how CP3 is playing in these playoffs (once again) and closing out games with a cast of not very skilled and high IQ players and you comparate it to the level Pau and Ramon are performing in these playoffs ... imagine what he could do with us ... have fun with your GIFs collection
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Alcindor on Tue May 08, 2012 11:31 pm

Why even bother being a fan with that kind of doom?

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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby jamabile on Tue May 08, 2012 11:47 pm

We are not screwed. It will take personnel changes, though. This is a second round team at best. OKC is going to prove that in the next series. The PG was a weakness starting the season. I think acquiring Ramon and resigining him is heading in the right direction, but we need another capable floor general either to as a backup or as a starter to really mentor Ramon. Someone like an Andre Miller comes to mind that can both play the one and the two if necessary. The small forward position is in flummox. Ron has been inconsistent, Devin has the potential to be a good role player but has been inconsistent so far in these playoffs when given the opportunity and Matt can't hit a jumpshot to save his life. Pau isn't worth 20 million and Bynum seems to play when he wants to.

Our only trade piece to address some of these needs is Pau. His contract will be moved to get role players to fill this roster out and create more flexiblity financially for the Lakers. I like McRoberts, and I think he needs more time to develop, and I would resign Hill if he's cheap enough.

Murphy, Ron, Black, and Pau, IMHO are all gone either through trades or amnestied in Ron's case. Devin, G-lock, Morris, will all be evaluated. There needs to be some changes. This team just isn't championship material right now.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Showtime'sDynasty on Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:I think watching these playoffs give a clear answer to the question


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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 09, 2012 12:05 am

Keep coming with the GIFs while thinking the damage a Heliflopter - Kobe backcourt would have done in the playoffs , especially in 4th quarters ...
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby jamabile on Wed May 09, 2012 12:15 am

Another thing that hurts us is that Beasley trade that didn't go through. We would have had another young, athletic wing who scores off the bench and we would have had more options moving forward. I'm hoping there is some way we can find a guy that suits that role during the offseason...
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Showtime'sDynasty on Wed May 09, 2012 12:19 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Keep coming with the GIFs while thinking the damage a Heliflopter - Kobe backcourt would have done in the playoffs , especially in 4th quarters ...


I agree we got screwed, but you can't change the past bro
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Wed May 09, 2012 12:41 am

Why was this bumped? We're not going to get knocked out by the Nuggets, and we still have a very real chance of beating OKC. The team just needs to play with a sense of urgency.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Wed May 09, 2012 4:06 am

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:Why was this bumped? We're not going to get knocked out by the Nuggets, and we still have a very real chance of beating OKC. The team just needs to play with a sense of urgency.


Well to beat OKC first of Gasol has to show up and Drew should begin to play like the star he thinks he is ... EVERY NIGHT!!!
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 09, 2012 8:54 am

We are really back to crying about the CP3 trade? Just let it go. It didn't happen, move on.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Wed May 09, 2012 9:09 am

Laker fans still obsessing over the aborted CP3 trade are starting to remind me of that psycho hosebeast Stacy...



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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby BDG on Tue May 22, 2012 1:14 am

This thread is back, baby! Doom and gloom for dinner.

Unfortunately I think this is right on the money. :bang:
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue May 22, 2012 1:19 am

So it was locked when I (think) rightfully bumped it , fans went mad and without arguments with their GIFs .. and now it's re-opened .. LOL
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue May 22, 2012 1:25 am

Yes.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby switzerland on Tue May 22, 2012 8:18 am

The evil dictator Stern screwed us on the CP trade? Wrong, as a matter of fact patently false.

Look Jason Smith was part of that trade, he wanted a multi year deal (which he ended up getting in NO) Lakers front office said NO. Thats it, there is the reason the trade did not go through. As much as I dont like Stern its pointless to keep saying he is the reason.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Tue May 22, 2012 8:20 am

switzerland wrote:The evil dictator Stern screwed us on the CP trade? Wrong, as a matter of fact patently false.

Look Jason Smith was part of that trade, he wanted a multi year deal (which he ended up getting in NO) Lakers front office said NO. Thats it, there is the reason the trade did not go through. As much as I dont like Stern its pointless to keep saying he is the reason.

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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby switzerland on Tue May 22, 2012 1:08 pm

Look at the post from Laker jones....pg 8

He said Stern really screwed us in reference to the CP trade. I was attempting to put that belief to rest once and for all. Like one of the previous posters said, let it go already. I merely supplied further reason why it should be forgotten and never discussed again. Thats WTF I was talking about.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 22, 2012 1:17 pm

switzerland wrote:The evil dictator Stern screwed us on the CP trade? Wrong, as a matter of fact patently false.

Look Jason Smith was part of that trade, he wanted a multi year deal (which he ended up getting in NO) Lakers front office said NO. Thats it, there is the reason the trade did not go through. As much as I dont like Stern its pointless to keep saying he is the reason.


Dude I don't think that makes any sense. The deal had ALREADY gone through. Stern vetoed the deal meaning he was the reason it didn't happen.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Lakerjones on Tue May 22, 2012 1:36 pm

As interesting as it would have been to pair up Bryant with another all out competitor like CP3, I'm not sure that back court would have worked out completely. Also with Bryant, CP3 and Bynum as your core, that's 4 bum knees to count on for your future.

Don't get me wrong, I hated the "basketball reasons" and the turmoil caused by Stern and Co. as much as anyone here. I was also very intrigued about the possibility of adding Howard to that triumvirate, which would have been the ultimate move by Mitch and the Buss's.

All that said, I think we can survive that squashed trade. We're going to have to make some very smart moves, though.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby eltoro on Tue May 22, 2012 4:26 pm

Lakerjones wrote:As interesting as it would have been to pair up Bryant with another all out competitor like CP3, I'm not sure that back court would have worked out completely. Also with Bryant, CP3 and Bynum as your core, that's 4 bum knees to count on for your future.

Don't get me wrong, I hated the "basketball reasons" and the turmoil caused by Stern and Co. as much as anyone here. I was also very intrigued about the possibility of adding Howard to that triumvirate, which would have been the ultimate move by Mitch and the Buss's.

All that said, I think we can survive that squashed trade. We're going to have to make some very smart moves, though.

You are delusional if y don't think 40 million dollars aged would not have afforded us a better team than what we have now. And 40million is exactly the amount we would've saved if th CP3 trade did not get vetoed by David Stern.

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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby switzerland on Tue May 22, 2012 4:37 pm

Look I didnt want to get into a pi**ing contest when I made that comment, I was just repeating what I had read from an ESPN article. Here is the link;

http://addicted2thegame.com/post/199039 ... l-trade-to

Here is another source, dont shoot the messenger!

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ends-here/
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby TIME on Tue May 22, 2012 4:47 pm

switzerland wrote:Look I didnt want to get into a pi**ing contest when I made that comment, I was just repeating what I had read from an ESPN article. Here is the link;

http://addicted2thegame.com/post/199039 ... l-trade-to

Here is another source, dont shoot the messenger!

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ends-here/


Neither link says what you are saying. Both state just like every other valid source out there has stated, and just like Stern stated, and just like the Lakers stated and the Rockets. Stern stopped the trade. The Jason Smith thing was just a final detail to be ironed out. It never was because Stern stopped the process. The process did not stop because of Jason Smith. You've got it bassakwards.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue May 22, 2012 4:49 pm

switzerland wrote:Look I didnt want to get into a pi**ing contest when I made that comment, I was just repeating what I had read from an ESPN article. Here is the link;

http://addicted2thegame.com/post/199039 ... l-trade-to

Here is another source, dont shoot the messenger!

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ends-here/



Whoa...what the heck?!?!
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby Lakerjones on Tue May 22, 2012 5:43 pm

eltoro wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:As interesting as it would have been to pair up Bryant with another all out competitor like CP3, I'm not sure that back court would have worked out completely. Also with Bryant, CP3 and Bynum as your core, that's 4 bum knees to count on for your future.

Don't get me wrong, I hated the "basketball reasons" and the turmoil caused by Stern and Co. as much as anyone here. I was also very intrigued about the possibility of adding Howard to that triumvirate, which would have been the ultimate move by Mitch and the Buss's.

All that said, I think we can survive that squashed trade. We're going to have to make some very smart moves, though.

You are delusional if y don't think 40 million dollars aged would not have afforded us a better team than what we have now. And 40million is exactly the amount we would've saved if th CP3 trade did not get vetoed by David Stern.


^^Maybe it's a language thing, but I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

You seem to be going after my opinion in some way, but I'm not getting it. I said I was basically in favor of the trade that was consummated and then reneged on by David Stern and Company (the other owners around the league) of Odom and Pau for Chris Paul and TPE.

But even at the time I had worries about CP3 and Kobe co-existing in the backcourt, and I was even more worried about the four bad knees between those guys and Bynum. If we had traded Bynum for Howard, I would have been ecstatic. I admired what the Lakers were trying to do and I was in favor of it, even if I had some doubts.

As this is all retrospect though, I'm more ok with the fact that it didn't go down now. It was hypocritical of David Stern and the league - that's my biggest issue with it getting squashed with the rationale: "Basketball reasons." Especially since Stern had sent out a memo after the NBA took over the Hornets expressing that he would not do what he ended up doing - overstepping the front office of the team.

Again, I'm confused as to what you're arguing with me about. I never said we wouldn't possibly be better, just that I think we can survive it. I never mentioned money so I don't know what you're talking about in that regard.

But regardless of whether we are actually agreeing or disagreeing, even if I did have an idea that ran counter to your own, I can assure you that I'm not delusional. It kind of irritates me that you're starting off a post with that sort of nonsense. If I don't happen to agree with you then I'm delusional? Really. People disagree about plenty of things all of the time. It's called discussion, debate. It doesn't mean anyone has mental illness.
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Re: Is Our Season (Possibly Our Future) Screwed?

Postby dj vitus on Tue May 22, 2012 6:25 pm

Lakerjones wrote:But even at the time I had worries about CP3 and Kobe co-existing in the backcourt, and I was even more worried about the four bad knees between those guys and Bynum.

4 bad knees? Didn't Kobe get his knee healed by some new technology in Germany or something? Bynum's getting it this Summer, too. CP3 would no doubt ride that gravy train as well. Zero bad knees. :man12:
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