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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby gill on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:13 pm

The sudden drop in foot speed is what's alarming. Turtle-speed Brook Lopez blew past him yesterday... then tonight Cousins just abused him with 2 straight baskets... and this pattern has been going on for a while. PG's will pick on him on the pick n roll. Mobile PF's just get to the hoop so easy against him
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:16 pm

noobiew wrote:Pau Gasol is a center playing out of his natural position by us, he excels in the low post not mid-range jumpshot smh

Unfortunately, there isnt any room for him down there. It was the same thing last season, Drew is or at least was a more efficient scorer than Pau so he got the land down there.
Pau, to be effective for us, needs to be a consistent threat from 18-22 feet....and even if he does that, he still has an issue because PF's are too quick for him. So he has to sag off and the domino effect occurs.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby lalfan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:16 pm

where are all those fools who kept over hype Gasol's value over the summer? i've said it since last year, Lakers should be on their hands and knees if we get anything valuable in return for Gasol. how does that deal with Scola and Dragic for Gasol sound right about now? too late. people love Gasol because he's a mild manner guy and always says the right thing, but that means nothing when he's heart is not into the game of basketball except international games. i think now the time had passed for Lakers to get anything worth keeping for Gasol, luckily his contract runs out in 2 years, so next year he can be a big expiring K bait.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby odom1year on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:22 pm

Pauline Gasoft played no effort at all.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Rooscooter wrote:While Pau is having troubles defensively and I've been one of his more vocal critics he's taking some heat tonight for a beyond crap game by Howard... Pau gave effort and failed.... Howard failed to give effort.....


Well said, well said...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:24 pm

gill wrote:The sudden drop in foot speed is what's alarming. Turtle-speed Brook Lopez blew past him yesterday... then tonight Cousins just abused him with 2 straight baskets... and this pattern has been going on for a while. PG's will pick on him on the pick n roll. Mobile PF's just get to the hoop so easy against him


Bro your sig worked for Meeks, hurry on the Pau sig before we make a huge mistake by trading the guy...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:27 pm

escobar8 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arh782m

thats one of only few scenarios which might be posible...

toronto sucks and needs some "star player"...we get...best pg rotation...similar player to jordan hill...and wery good 3pt shooting sf who can play strech pf...its not great but posible...and then try to dump blake or duhon for 2round pick...


no...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:28 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:
gill wrote:The sudden drop in foot speed is what's alarming. Turtle-speed Brook Lopez blew past him yesterday... then tonight Cousins just abused him with 2 straight baskets... and this pattern has been going on for a while. PG's will pick on him on the pick n roll. Mobile PF's just get to the hoop so easy against him


Bro your sig worked for Meeks, hurry on the Pau sig before we make a huge mistake by trading the guy...

Why would it be a mistake if we improved the team ( hopefully ) by trading him? This team has a great recent history of getting the upper hand in trades.

Nash-Kobe-D12 are the cornerstones...after that, it comes down to whats available for us.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby noobiew on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:34 pm

Did you know what is the field goal percentage of Pau Gasol this season after 12 games? He is shooting 43% FG (68-158) as a big men ! FYI Kobe Bryant as a shooting guard is currently shooting 53% compare to him.

I really think tat the inefficiencies is because of him keeps shooting mid range jumpers out of the paint, currently we are playing two centers in the game majority of the times which won't work, I would seriously considering playing him to his natural position as a center (off the bench to backup Dwight) to maximize his talent inside the low post, maybe this move could really preserve his energy in the playoffs and to save his life.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:40 pm

noobiew wrote:Did you know what is the field goal percentage of Pau Gasol this season after 12 games? He is shooting 43% FG (68-158) as a big men ! FYI Kobe Bryant as a shooting guard is currently shooting 53% compare to him.

I really think tat the inefficiencies is because of him keeps shooting mid range jumpers out of the paint, currently we are playing two centers in the game majority of the times which won't work, I would seriously considering playing him to his natural position as a center (off the bench to backup Dwight) to maximize his talent inside the low post, maybe this move could really preserve his energy in the playoffs and to save his life.


Pau isn't meant to shoot all these mid range jumpers. We are forcing him to be somebody he is not, remember when he first came here? How many times did we make him shoot like this? He was always operating in the post. We are ruining Pau's offensive game.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:43 pm

We should sit him on back to back games ... it's clear he's not able to play 2 nights in a row anymore
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:44 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:
Pau isn't meant to shoot all these mid range jumpers. We are forcing him to be somebody he is not, remember when he first came here? How many times did we make him shoot like this? He was always operating in the post. We are ruining Pau's offensive game.

When he first came here, he was the best Center on the team. That hasnt been the case for a good number of years now.

Now, you could make the case for trading Howard and making Gasol our main Center again...but that wouldnt make much sense at this point or at any point.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:46 pm

bumrusherer wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:
Pau isn't meant to shoot all these mid range jumpers. We are forcing him to be somebody he is not, remember when he first came here? How many times did we make him shoot like this? He was always operating in the post. We are ruining Pau's offensive game.

When he first came here, he was the best Center on the team. That hasnt been the case for a good number of years now.

Now, you could make the case for trading Howard and making Gasol our main Center again...but that wouldnt make much sense at this point or at any point.


We could post him up more when Dwight sits, we usually have him shooting J's either way...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:46 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:We should sit him on back to back games ... it's clear he's not able to play 2 nights in a row anymore


& what do you have to say about Dwight's performance?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:49 pm

Paus fake hustle ruins his own offense. He puts in 0 work to get his offense. He isn't assertive on rolling or popping, doesn't deal his guy, doesn't back guys down, doesn't use counters, and has no move off the face up.

He chooses not to post up with the second unit. If Dwight can, if Rno can, if Kobe can, hell if Jordan Hill can go down low so can Pau if he manned up and wanted to play hard. He is one foot in one foot out like his last Memphis days, ever since Dirk pimp slapped him around in the playoffs like he did ironically in Memphis too
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby bumrusherer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:51 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:
We could post him up more when Dwight sits, we usually have him shooting J's either way...

Problem is, Hill has a bad offensive game...teams would sag off Hill and crowd Pau. And Pau doesnt have the athleticism to deal with playing in a crowd anymore.

We're trying to find the best fit for a declining player...its tough work.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:54 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:We should sit him on back to back games ... it's clear he's not able to play 2 nights in a row anymore


& what do you have to say about Dwight's performance?


Not the same pb , looked like he didn't want to be here ... not fed at the start of the game so he checked out mentally ...

I'm the 1st one to be hard on Pau poor performances .. but it's obvious he couldn't do it physically tonight and the lack of management of his minutes is a big pb (and has been for a while)

We're probably the only team with veterans which never rest them ... we're not thinking long term , it isn't smart at all
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby The Rock on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:27 am

when he does play Center with the 2nd unit he doesn't post up. Whos fault is that? We can argue all we want but when he gets the minutes where he gets to be the primary post uption he isn't aggressive, heck Hill gets 2-3 post up scores a game and Pau rarely does that

Hes clearly in Lamar Odom territory now. You just hope he gets you 10 rebounds and minimizes the mental mistakes...didnt happen tonight 2/9 FG and 1/4 FT along with atrocious defense

And for a guy whos being praised all these years as a skilled center he cant make an open jumpshot...this is just getting ridiculous now. HE cant catch passes in a reliable manner anymore, way too many times he fumbles it.


http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Pau%20Gasol

His FG% is 42% at the rim, 16% from 3 to 9 feet, 17% from 10 to 15 feet. Lots of alarming stats. Hes not mobile anymore and neither is he a dependable scorer. Hes just a good rebounder and passer now thats it...which is what Lamar was to us

We can still win a championship with Pau playing this way because Kobe can be Kobe and Dwight can be Dwight in the big games. IF you get 2 All star level production out of your 2 best players, I think Ron and Nash are more than capable of filling in as your 3rd best scoring option and just letting Pau do the facilitating and rebounding (Which is exactly how we won in 2009 and 2010 with LO). Really sucks to say stuff like that for someone whos getting paid $19 mil a year
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby BDG on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:32 am

Glad others recognize it too. Was coming in there to say this -- Gasol has stamina problems.

What an incredibly disgusting defensive effort that was from him. Pau almost killed us on his own in that second half.

He played like a complete loser. Horrible body language too.

If this is the way he's going to play when he's feeling tired, I don't know if you can get around that.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby BDG on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:34 am

Pau has played pretty damn bad to start this season. It's been masked by Howard's brilliance and the fact that all eyes were on Mike Brown's incompetence.

When the defense throws everything at Howard, Gasol has to be aggressive and make them pay. How many times have we had this discussion?

I'm really hoping Pau still has some life left in him. He played like a complete (kitty kat).

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:43 am

He's so inconsistent; whether that's due to age or just regression in his play, who knows? He's great one night and the next looks like a scrub. Unfortunately, not many teams are going to take him unless he's an expiring contract next year...
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby kenzo on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:46 am

kblo247 wrote:Trade Pau for being soft or lazy at times and it becomes a locker room notice that his lack of effort isn't acceptable. I also becomes a competition for the second captain and other non Kobe voice, and the next logical two are Ron and Dwight who play hard even when they don't get results.

If Pau was going hard and missing shots, being beat on boards, or scored on people could deal. When he doesn't try though because he knows he can sleep walk to stats it pisses people off. It also shows as we know his effort level from when he cares or doesn't, and this is what got him dealt from Kwame before and why he was never embraced like Zach or Marc in Memphis

He needs motivation to get on his job, that hasn't been there since he beat the soft label by beating Boston

It's not about missing or making shots, its about how he goes after the shots. It's about if he goes and seals his damn guy, posts up, is decide and tries to take over offensively.

Settling for jumpers, passing to Jordan Hill and Meeks or Morris when you are with the bench and the 20M player is inexcusable. Not boxing out is inexcusable, not moving his feet on D, not getting a hand up,

He's not gettin roasted while trying. He's getting roasted because he refuses to try t get in a defensive stance, put a body on a guy, and contest by ever leaving the floor. He is shooting so bad because he doesn't put in any work at all before the catch, no post position fighting, no second effort, no hard picks to jar Kobe or the ball handlers guy off them and he damn sure doesn't roll or pop hard and assertively.


I'M SAYING THIS NOT OUT OF SPITE, BUT TRUTH, WORLD PEACE HAS BEEN OUR THIRD BEST PLAYER THIS YEAR AND IT ISN'T CLOSE BETWEEN HIM AND PAU

Pau is the scapegoat whether he's trying/playing hard or not. That's the reality here, which sadly... is often true and deserved :bang:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:59 am

It's hard to say what adjustments Pau should make outside of the obvious more effort & aggressiveness. It seems the main cause of all the bricks he's been laying is the hesitation before every shot, yet the reason he's hesitating is because he's scanning the floor for a better look. His passing & decision making has been a huge key to our success. He's taking the right shots, he's just out of rhythm alot of the time. You can't just tell him go straight up with the shot or we lose a vital cog in our passing game. If he can somehow adjust & start hitting those hesitation shots out of rhythm, he'll be playing like an allstar.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby DarthRekal on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:27 am

me thinks.. fkpaugasol is becoming ever more inevitable :man5:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion

Postby KB24 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:34 am

Pau is what he is, get used to it. Its the 3rd consecutive season he pusses out when it counts most. My biggest problem with him is still his pay check. If he was making half as much he would be fine.
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