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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:19 am

I think Pau FINALLY taking some off-season time off along with not having a whining "all-star" caliber Center (shots at Howard AND BYNUM) rooting him out of his more natural position for his age is going to do wonders this year for his game.......... Never liked the concept of moving him away from the center position....I think that had more to do with the big Drop off production wise than anything else the last few years....
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:43 am

This year Pau will be able to get some rest with Kaman, Hill being able to play backup C and not having to play PF.

Seems like he's unable to establish post position like he used to, and settling to pop on pick and rolls.

What happened to the fakes and post moves? With a jumper like DeAndre, he could've gotten him in foul trouble easy.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:48 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:I liked his effort on the glass .... he only gave up one offensive rebound if I remembered correctly .... ( to Eandre on a Ginger FT miss)

He kept us in the game in the 1st quarter


Me, too. I was really impressed with his rebounding. His legs do look better this year, too, on his shots. He played well.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:56 am

Lakerjones wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:I liked his effort on the glass .... he only gave up one offensive rebound if I remembered correctly .... ( to Eandre on a Ginger FT miss)

He kept us in the game in the 1st quarter


Me, too. I was really impressed with his rebounding. His legs do look better this year, too, on his shots. He played well.

After re-watching the game I think he definitely lost steam there. He's not in full game shape, but in that first quarter he looked great.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:59 am

therealdeal wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:I liked his effort on the glass .... he only gave up one offensive rebound if I remembered correctly .... ( to Eandre on a Ginger FT miss)

He kept us in the game in the 1st quarter


Me, too. I was really impressed with his rebounding. His legs do look better this year, too, on his shots. He played well.

After re-watching the game I think he definitely lost steam there. He's not in full game shape, but in that first quarter he looked great.


^^ That's true - his third quarter wasn't one to really write home about offensively. But he was still boarding really well.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:09 am

He boxed out a few times last night, that's how I knew he was feeling better. :man10:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:10 am

therealdeal wrote:He boxed out a few times last night, that's how I knew he was feeling better. :man10:


:man10: He really did.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:17 am

MC wrote:I think Pau FINALLY taking some off-season time off along with not having a whining "all-star" caliber Center (shots at Howard AND BYNUM) rooting him out of his more natural position for his age is going to do wonders this year for his game.......... Never liked the concept of moving him away from the center position....I think that had more to do with the big Drop off production wise than anything else the last few years....


I totally agree. It clarifies the polarity between Pau playing for Spain vs Pau playing for us. Pau will be in his more natural spot and will be coming from a stress free summer this season. As long as his minutes are looked after, I expect Pau to look great this year.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby bnr034 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:17 am

Please operate in the post and shop shooting 10-15 jumpers... we need you to be our inside presence :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:41 am

Maybe those who thought Pau shooting perimeter shots was only a product to coaches systems for the latest couple of seasons will FINALLY realize now it wasn't ...

As for the polarity Spain/Lakers , it can be explained by two major points :

- Centers are usually less physical AND less strong in the rest of the world so Pau is more willing to play in the post ... FIBA refs allow less contact down low than in the NBA too

AND he's more hungry playing for Spain in the Olympics because he plays for someting he hasn't won yet
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:58 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Maybe those who thought Pau shooting perimeter shots was only due to coaches system for the latest couple of seasons will FINALLY realize now it wasn't ...

As for the polarity Spain/Lakers , it can be explained by two major points :

- Centers are usually less physical AND less strong in the rest of the world so Pau is more willing to play in the post ... FIBA refs allow less contact down low than in the NBA too

AND he's more hungry playing for Spain in the Olympics because he plays for someting he hasn't won yet


Really?????

He's older.....he will never be the old Pau because he was ALWAYS a fineness player and very little power..... that begins to dissipate as you get older and you have to fool'm more and more to get your game going if you have no real power game ..... but to suggest the coach and his system does NOT play a role would be ignoring the VERY philosophy the coach has lol ....... it's a bit of everything IMO but misusing a player does not help the player himself to over compensate for the age lol..........

2 games so far.....we shouldn't jump the gun either way yet...... but we have to come to grips with some reality.....He will look better but he is not going to turn back the clock to get his step and fronting game back the way it was before nor is he magically going to become a power player to compensate for the age...

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:35 am

key word there was " ONLY" ...

Pau had his opportunities to post up when Drew/Coward rested on the bench ... he was not very willing to post up the likes of Faried , Harrington , Dirk and so on .

I hate(d) Brown and MDA as coaches but I still won't go with the " everything is the coach's fault" route ...

Our roster(s) had major flaws these latest seasons but hey it's always easier to blame (bad) coaches for everything than admitting your team is too old and sucks by Lakers standards
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:35 am

key word there was " ONLY" ...

Pau had his opportunities to post up when Drew/Coward rested on the bench ... he was not very willing to post up the likes of Faried , Harrington , Dirk and so on .

I hate(d) Brown and MDA as coaches but I still won't go with the " everything is the coach's fault" route ...

Our roster(s) had major flaws these latest seasons but hey it's always easier to blame (bad) coaches for everything than admitting your team is too old and sucks by Lakers standards
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:35 am

key word there was " ONLY" ...

Pau had his opportunities to post up when Drew/Coward rested on the bench ... he was not very willing to post up the likes of Faried , Harrington , Dirk and so on .

I hate(d) Brown and MDA as coaches but I still won't go with the " everything is the coach's fault" route ...

Our roster(s) had major flaws these latest seasons but hey it's always easier to blame (bad) coaches for everything than admitting your team is too old and sucks by Lakers standards
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:44 am

wcsoldier81 - oh I I agree to some extent but the coach himself played him at the 4 in a system where his 4 stays on the perimeter........so that WAS a big, BIG problem ........... Now we are 2 games in with him mostly playing full time center.......... again, will never be the same but at least he has a fighting chance now..........

You are right, I just think you are down playing that a tad to make the argument that Gasol is cooked....that's all
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:25 am

He definetely will have a good year if he stays healthy ... even if he's not in his prime anymore , he's still valuable offensively .. I've been more and constantly critical about his lack of D .

PS: the "pb" right now and going forward is nobody in the 1st unit can create easy baskets at the rim for Pau ... it will change when Kobe returns ... Pau shooting % significantly increases with Kobe on the floor
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:11 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:He definetely will have a good year if he stays healthy ... even if he's not in his prime anymore , he's still valuable offensively .. I've been more and constantly critical about his lack of D .

PS: the "pb" right now and going forward is nobody in the 1st unit can create easy baskets at the rim for Pau ... it will change when Kobe returns ... Pau shooting % significantly increases with Kobe on the floor

Kobe changes things for everyone.. But the 2 man game with him & Pau adds a whole new element that defenses have to plan for.. With no other "stars" on the team I think these 2 are gonna get back to playing the way they did before Bynum was featured. & we all know Pau loves to share the ball even more when he's playing well so it'll translate to a ton of great looks for everyone..
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:49 am

I don't understand why Pau can't post anymore...

what happened to the fake passes, the footwork, the up fakes.

Hello, Bynum and Superwoman are gone, what's your excuse now?
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Postby XXIV on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:49 am

lakerfan2 wrote:I don't understand why Pau can't post anymore...

what happened to the fake passes, the footwork, the up fakes.

Hello, Bynum and Superwoman are gone, what's your excuse now?


He did it a few times yesterday, but yeah it's no where near as often as it was during those championship runs.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:05 am

Not having another good big to compete for touches with is a double edged sword.. The opposing team's best bigman defender is on Pau at all times now.. I'm happy that Pau is back at C but if we had a real starting PF he'd look much better. I for 1 am glad he didn't embarrass himself by trying to post up against Blake/Jordan & Bogut.. When we play teams without good defensive bigs/bigs that get every call we'll see Pau take advantage of his post game more hopefully.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:03 pm

The thought that it was health or system keeping Pau out of the post is not rooted in any reality. In his entire career he's only really operated as a true post player for 2.5 years under Phil in LA. Going all the way back to his Memphis days he's never really liked to play physically in the post. It's been the "book" on him for a decade.

Now that his athleticism is waning he is either unable to operate there or unwilling. Last night was a great example of that. The few times he tried it was embarrassing for him. Bogut is a good position defender but Pau used to be quick enough to get a shot off against a guy that has been ailing for 5 years with one leg injury after another.

What he is at this point is a very good point forward who can rebound and facilitate. His offense will be dependent on who is guarding him IMO. Posting up in MDA's offense is not really required anyway. It's predicated on early 3 point shots and pick and roll in the paint.

I expect him to get around 15 and 10 which is still pretty decent. Leading the team on a nightly basis is beyond what he can do at this point IMO.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:16 pm

Rooscooter wrote:The thought that it was health or system keeping Pau out of the post is not rooted in any reality. In his entire career he's only really operated as a true post player for 2.5 years under Phil in LA. Going all the way back to his Memphis days he's never really liked to play physically in the post. It's been the "book" on him for a decade.

Now that his athleticism is waning he is either unable to operate there or unwilling. Last night was a great example of that. The few times he tried it was embarrassing for him. Bogut is a good position defender but Pau used to be quick enough to get a shot off against a guy that has been ailing for 5 years with one leg injury after another.

What he is at this point is a very good point forward who can rebound and facilitate. His offense will be dependent on who is guarding him IMO. Posting up in MDA's offense is not really required anyway. It's predicated on early 3 point shots and pick and roll in the paint.

I expect him to get around 15 and 10 which is still pretty decent. Leading the team on a nightly basis is beyond what he can do at this point IMO.


Which may be sort of why Kaman might need to play alongside Gasol rather than Williams or Hill.

Kaman has the midrange shot, and he can still post up effectively. Between the two, they work great passing inside. I think it may be the only shot we have with Pau. Kaman took Lee several times yesterday without any resistance. My main point is for the opponent to have to decide to throw the better defender on Kaman rather than Gasol, having Gasol go against the smaller player rather than Kaman. Either way, it'll be an advantage.

Williams hasn't seemed to work with this halfcourt team, and may excel along side Farmar, Meeks, Henry, and Hill in a more open style and spreading the floor.

I would try (with Kobe back):

Nash (18) / Farmar (30)
Kobe (30) / Meeks (10) / Young (8)
Young (20) / Henry (25)
Kaman (20) / Williams (20) / Hill (8)
Pau (25) /Hill (20)

Right now, Johnson and Blake do not cut it for me.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:23 pm

Roos - absolutely ..... I think most people don't realize that Pau was actual more of a face up big than a back to the basket big before Phil........... and you are right, now that his athleticism has declined quite a bit it shows in his ability to attack........ Pau has to be more of a fool'm kind of guy now..... at least until Bryant comes back and demands some attention to get him some easier looks without having to create it himself......

MDA is all about P&R to set up the perimeter look........ which has also complicated things last year and now this year IF people were expecting to see a lot of post play.............. my hope is that when Bryant comes back...if health allows him...he'll be able to be a presence down there by spacing out the other teams bigs and allowing him to work vs his man ....

We'll see I guess............ until than nobody should expect much post play from anyone.....nobody has earned the freedom to call their own shot outside of the coach's system or dictate it until Bryant is back....

My point earlier was just to dictate the match up for Pau...he's not a PF no more....his age and athleticism as now reduced him to just a center which means he has to play that position to give himself a chance......
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Amoray on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:55 pm

Pau is done and should be traded what every they can get or let his contract expire and move on, no more Pau in Lakers uniform. I have the same feeling towards Kobe too except politically is in correct but business wise is right.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby noobiew on Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:13 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:I don't understand why Pau can't post anymore...

what happened to the fake passes, the footwork, the up fakes.

Hello, Bynum and Superwoman are gone, what's your excuse now?


Pau's best years and his 2009-2010 version with us was long gone, he is what he is right now, always will be.
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