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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:03 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Farmar has the best +/- rating amongst Laker guards.
The guy we traded to the Warriors had the best W-L percentage amongst Laker guards
But, boy can Marshall toss them dimes...

And fans be like :man13:

Now that's comedy...


I think you're really reaching to be that unimpressed with him considering our needs and how much he costs us. He is now a 1st half of a 1st round type quality, legitimate pickup. He's proving it against good and bad teams on a crap team due to injuries and Dan. The kid can play, you should cut him some slack.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:59 pm

Trodgers caught me in a foul mood with that unexpected rehash.

IMHO, he's being developed the wrong way. We're putting way too much emphasis on one side of the ball and most of our players are oblivious to the ramifications that occur on the other side.

Marshall is in a tough spot cause he can't really win a fan like me over till he proves that he can carry a team. If he carries our team offensively, he can't relish being a liability on the other end. But we aren't looking for wins right now, cause that would be a conflict of interest in our draft standing. So losses are welcomed, but the manner of our losses are unacceptable.

Pau was getting double doubles before we shut him down for trade leverage, but hardly anyone spoke of that cause frankly we were losing. So why celebrate empty stats?

Same way I feel about Marshall. I'm not excited on how MDA is developing him and they're just empty stats, cause they appear to have no bearing towards us getting a W. For this season, losses are bearable due to the draft, but we are losing in spectacular fashion and frankly you ain't going to make a fan out of me this way.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:21 pm

Lead a team? He's a D-League call up playing with maybe the worst Lakers roster of all time (going off who's healthy and actually playing), I'm not sure prime Kobe could lead this roster to many more wins, what more do you want? And empty stats? Come on, you don't think he could put up similar stats if surrounded by much better players when he can do this playing with Johnson, Meeks, Farmar, Kaman, Sacre, Hill, and Kelly? I don't know what else the guy could do in this situation to be more impressive than he has been, I don't get the hate at all. Yeah his D isn't great, but neither is the D of the majority of the rest of even starting PG's in the league, there's like a handful maybe you can say are great defenders, and every player has his flaws.

I'm not trying to derail the Pau thread, but I don't get skepticism to this level on Marshall by now, he's been a great find, a steal, and we'd be stupid to not keep him on next season for 900k or whatever our team option is. Even if his game falls off a cliff next season it still would have been worth the risk at that price. What PG is gonna be one of the league leaders in assists and 3 point shooting for that price? Get a defensive big and wing to cover for his D if you have to I dunno.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:33 pm

Don't know what to tell you...I'm not a fan.....yet.

And of course I expect him to "lead" the team when he's got the majority of on ball time. Also there was a reason he was in the d-league to begin with. Do I think he's a bench leader that can manage the second unit and control the pace...sure. But a starting PG as a vital championship cog....not a chance....

But that's the beauty of being young...he has the luxury of time to sway his doubters.

But I'm sorry, in a Pau dedicated thread, I'm not going to be praising his umpteen assists in a lopsided loss.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:44 pm

There's not praising though, and then there's like going out of your way to hate and call everyone who does praise him wrong. It's like you're on a mission to prove the guy is a fraud or something, come on V, I think your expectations of the kid are a little unrealistic. I also don't agree he's got the ball all the time or anything, he never seems it hold it for that long, he's pretty quick to move it around, make his passes and keep it moving. He's the PG, but it's not most on him to get us wins, if it's on anyone it's on Pau, and when he's out well I blame no one really, we just suck. :man10:
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:50 pm

Is Pau Gasol the new Luke Walton?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:57 pm

Frank Dux wrote:Is Pau Gasol the new Luke Walton?

oh if he agrees to 7 a year, he will be for years to come
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:04 am

Weez, I've already put up stats on just how much game time he has with the ball in his hands.

So I guess if we're going to rehash this, then so be it...per synergy:

Touches per game: Marshall - 84.2 (tied for 10th in the entire league); Pau - 71.3 (why Pau, cause its his goddamn thread....haha)

Total touches for the year: Marshall - 2186 (26 games played); Pau - 3138 (44 games played...18 more games than Marshall)

Total time of possession per game: Marshall - 5.8 minutes; Pau - 2.1 minutes

In a guard dominated offense, what did you expect?

Am I happy we have him for how much we got him for...yes. Do I agree with him being our future starting point...absolutely not! But time can change that.

So about that Pau....if you ask me, he's got the magic wand. That disappearing-reappearing trick he does, gets me everytime..
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Weezy on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:56 am

Fair enough V, I appreciate you taking the time to give that detailed response, and I'm glad we can still discuss stuff around here like it says in your sig without anyone getting upset, we're all fans here just talkin. I see your points for sure, and I don't think with your main point we even disagree that much, I never said he should be our future starter, just the starter out of the guards we have now. I do think he COULD be our starter if he were surrounded with a much more talented lineup and he keeps playing like he is though, if we had to go cheap in one area to get that other talent. If Chalmers can start for a championship Heat team, well... I don't see Marshall as a starter as that crazy.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby CarFlagChris on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:50 am

Weezy wrote:
@LakersReporter: Re-signing Pau Gasol is "absolutely" an option, says Kupchak. Will depend on many things (other players, $) as he's previously stated.


If we re-sign Pau next season and don't fire 'Antoni, I'm not sure I will be able to bring myself to watch games.


Agreed.

Do the Lakers have a plan? This round resembles last year, when they didn't trade D12, but then also kept MDA as coach. BIGS don't really figure into MDAs run & gun style, so PGasol, JHill & CKaman all will walk, unless MDA is given the axe, but the Lakers refused to trade even one.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby 432J on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:58 am

i love pau but re-signing him is such a terrible option

his time with the lakers should have been over a few years ago when the FO was getting offered valuable assets in exchange for pau which they turned down. he just doesn't bring anything to the table for this team anymore
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby CarFlagChris on Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:30 am

432J wrote:i love pau but re-signing him is such a terrible option

his time with the lakers should have been over a few years ago when the FO was getting offered valuable assets in exchange for pau which they turned down. he just doesn't bring anything to the table for this team anymore


Pau Gasol doesn't bring anything to the table?
Wildly inaccurate.

Pau Gasol is averaging 17 and 10.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2013
and, based on those numbers, maybe the most effective player, even if not a rim protector. It would be wise to sign him, although signing anyone without an overall plan will perpetuate the ruderlessness which now characterizes this organization.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:22 am

Pau doesn't bring anything to the table going forward. 34 year old big, breaking down and injury prone, having to sign him for at least 2-3 years at 10 million per. No thanks. This isn't 2008 anymore. Move on.

And before anyone says Pau will take like 5-6 million, let realism set in.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:28 am

Doc Brown wrote:Pau doesn't bring anything to the table going forward. 34 year old big, breaking down and injury prone, having to sign him for at least 2-3 years at 10 million per. No thanks. This isn't 2008 anymore. Move on.

And before anyone says Pau will take like 5-6 million, let realism set in.


I will almost bet the house that he will demand a 3 year contract from whoever he signs with….. I couldn't care less if it's 7 million a year or not….. that's an anchor we don't need.

Reality is that he will most likely get 10+ million and a 3 year deal somewhere…. If it's here it is purely for the purpose of putting butts in seats and eyeballs on sets…. it does nothing for us in our quest for another championship whatsoever.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby charvin on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:30 pm

CarFlagChris wrote:
432J wrote:i love pau but re-signing him is such a terrible option

his time with the lakers should have been over a few years ago when the FO was getting offered valuable assets in exchange for pau which they turned down. he just doesn't bring anything to the table for this team anymore


Pau Gasol doesn't bring anything to the table?
Wildly inaccurate.

Pau Gasol is averaging 17 and 10.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2013
and, based on those numbers, maybe the most effective player, even if not a rim protector. It would be wise to sign him, although signing anyone without an overall plan will perpetuate the ruderlessness which now characterizes this organization.


I'd still argue against re-signing him. He will always be in conflict with the current coach, and now more often than not, he gets torched on defense, can't or doesn't box out, and gives unsatisfactory effort out there. The stats aren't the problem, but when you're getting paid $19 million, 17 and 10 is barely, just barely passable and not worth it for that asking price, IMO.

He's not getting younger and I don't care that Kobe or whomever on the team has his back. He's not quite there, but he's getting close to Steve Nash status where he's hung on just a bit too long when the game's passed him by.

I'd like to say I want what's best for the Lakers. However, if Kupchak and Jimmy think re-signing Pau is a good move and it leads to the inability to grab a FA this or next year, I would say they've lost their minds. It has been a nightmare to see this team suffer like this this year and I don't think I could endure watching a re-run of this for a few more years.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby trodgers on Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:04 pm

CarFlagChris wrote:
432J wrote:i love pau but re-signing him is such a terrible option

his time with the lakers should have been over a few years ago when the FO was getting offered valuable assets in exchange for pau which they turned down. he just doesn't bring anything to the table for this team anymore


Pau Gasol doesn't bring anything to the table?
Wildly inaccurate.

Pau Gasol is averaging 17 and 10.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2013
and, based on those numbers, maybe the most effective player, even if not a rim protector. It would be wise to sign him, although signing anyone without an overall plan will perpetuate the ruderlessness which now characterizes this organization.

I don't think he's anywhere near most effective Lakers player.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:08 pm

The Pau issue will finally be resolved this summer; Ding reports and has maintained the Lakers are not going to re-sign him...they want to go in a different direction. Forget any S&T's; Pau will walk, IMO.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:47 pm

^^The whole sign and trade thing is interesting but only if we can swing a deal to a team who wants Pau that is over the cap..... however that chance is nearly zilch.... so that little speech was to set Pau up as the bad guy when he walks......
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby karacha on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:03 pm

Oh, he'll walk. I'm 95% sure of that.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:15 pm

karacha wrote:Oh, he'll walk. I'm 95% sure of that.

Unless the market for him absolutely evaporates, he's gone. We're not giving him a long-term deal and we're in a complete rebuild. Why stick around? Does he love LA that much? No way. He's gone.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:55 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^The whole sign and trade thing is interesting but only if we can swing a deal to a team who wants Pau that is over the cap..... however that chance is nearly zilch.... so that little speech was to set Pau up as the bad guy when he walks......


Well, Pau would likely be part of some larger package. Memphis has been dangling Z-Bo. I think IF, and that's a big IF, Love wants to force his way out of Minny, Z-Bo and our first round pick (we have to pick the guy Minny wants) to the Wolves, Gasol in a S&T to Memphis and Love to us kind of works out well for everyone.

We still have room to sign Lance Stephenson and maybe Kyle Lowry...

Lowry/Marshall
Kobe/Young
Stephenson/Young
Love/Kelly
?/Sacre

Not a bad rebuild. Depending on how Kobe comes back, that team actually has a legitimate shot at the WCF, IMO. We would need a defensive anchor in the middle since Love is about as useful on the defensive end as ripped condom. But a shot blocker with Stephenson and Lowry is a great start to a defense (granted D'Antoni gets fired.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:00 pm

^ Can you post the salary numbers for our new team with Love, Stephenson, and Lowry? Off the top of my head I can't see that it works.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:24 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^ Can you post the salary numbers for our new team with Love, Stephenson, and Lowry? Off the top of my head I can't see that it works.


Kobe 23.5
Love 15.8
Stephenson 11
Lowry 7
Nash 3 (stretch)
Sacre 1
Marshall 1
Young 1.3

63.6

The cap is expected to be 62-63 million. Like I said, maybe Lowry. Lowry at 7 is low, but he might bite. We may have to ship out Sacre in the Pau deal. it's REAL close, but not impossible.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:45 pm

^Interesting. So Lance at SG and Kobe at the 3?

I mean it would take a lot of assumptions. Like stretching Nash, assuming Love would take that salary if it's not the max he can earn, and etc.

I like that team without Lowry in which case we could possibly hold on to the rights of Henry/Hill/Meeks and potentially re-sign young when he opts out.

Otherwise we are looking at NO BENCH whatsoever. It's possible, but if Indy wins the chip......maybe we end up with Turner instead after all.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby sister golden hair on Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:13 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^ Can you post the salary numbers for our new team with Love, Stephenson, and Lowry? Off the top of my head I can't see that it works.


Kobe 23.5
Love 15.8
Stephenson 11
Lowry 7
Nash 3 (stretch)
Sacre 1
Marshall 1
Young 1.3

63.6

The cap is expected to be 62-63 million. Like I said, maybe Lowry. Lowry at 7 is low, but he might bite. We may have to ship out Sacre in the Pau deal. it's REAL close, but not impossible.


That line-up is depressing.
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