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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby karacha on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:07 pm

Of course there is no discipline, when there are no roles on the team anymore. First, our bigs were alienated, now Farmar and Marshall... well, at least this will result in losing tons of games. :man1:
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:07 pm

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Pau Gasol: "There’s just too many individual actions right now. It’s really not a good flow and rhythm out there."
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:11 pm

Maybe..... just maybe MDA won't survive the year. I've always thought that he'd get cover from injury and the limits the team had coming into the season.... if there is a complete mutiny he may get the boot.....
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:15 pm

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More Pau: "We got to be unselfish. If we see a teammate open, we have to make sure that guy gets the ball. Otherwise, it’s really deflating"
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Bazemore - 42 shots, 18 free throws.........7 assists, 9 turnovers in 3 games

Brooks - 28 shots, 6 free throws...........6 assists, 5 turnovers in 3 games

Pretty easy to see who is being called out here.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby karacha on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Maybe..... just maybe MDA won't survive the year. I've always thought that he'd get cover from injury and the limits the team had coming into the season.... if there is a complete mutiny he may get the boot.....


He'll survive this season. But might actually get fired this summer. Which is OK with me.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:20 pm

Like I said in another thread, what does it really show you to give these guys that are auditioning to be role players the complete green light? Of course Bazemore CAN score 23 with 19 shots in 30+ minutes. That's not gonna happen on a good team with Kobe back though, see what these guys can do in a realistic role. I guess I don't know how you do that with this roster and certain guys out (Young), a good coach could find a way though.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby karacha on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:22 pm

Most athletic guys with a semi-decent shot can score if you tell them to chuck as much as they want. But it is irresponsible IMO. What does that show us exactly? That he is young, has good stamina/strength and is willing to shoot? Alright. But I don't see how that can be useful. How about seeing what people can do in an actual, realistic game situation?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby unpossibl1 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:26 pm

If the Lakers are interested in bringing Pau back next year at all (which they should be...at the right price he is an asset) then MDA has to go as soon as the season is over.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:32 pm

Weezy wrote:Like I said in another thread, what does it really show you to give these guys that are auditioning to be role players the complete green light? Of course Bazemore CAN score 23 with 19 shots in 30+ minutes. That's not gonna happen on a good team with Kobe back though, see what these guys can do in a realistic role. I guess I don't know how you do that with this roster and certain guys out (Young), a good coach could find a way though.


This!

Stat padding don't mean ish if there isn't a W or a winning philosophy behind it. Kobe's 81 was so impressive cause the team needed it....we were down 15 (iirc) before we mounted a comeback in that game.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby 432J on Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:21 pm

unpossibl1 wrote:If the Lakers are interested in bringing Pau back next year at all (which they should be...at the right price he is an asset) then MDA has to go as soon as the season is over.

i'm all for bringing pau back but only if they can get him back as cheap as possible (which i believe is unlikely but we shall see)

but unfortunately, the FO seems to be building for the future with d'antoni in mind
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:40 am

Weezy wrote:Like I said in another thread, what does it really show you to give these guys that are auditioning to be role players the complete green light? Of course Bazemore CAN score 23 with 19 shots in 30+ minutes. That's not gonna happen on a good team with Kobe back though, see what these guys can do in a realistic role. I guess I don't know how you do that with this roster and certain guys out (Young), a good coach could find a way though.

Well I think it's just about footage. How much game tape can you get on a guy? Sure Bazemore is playing out of position and too many minutes, but we need that film to really analyze his game. Did he make the right read on the pick and roll? Did he box out on that play? Did he cut when he should have faded?

All of these things are relevant regardless of his future role and the more minutes he plays the more we'll be able to figure out what kind of player he is.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:59 pm

I know I'm going to get bashed for this, but if we somewhow end up with Embiid.. I think keeping Pau around could be extremely important for us.. Obviously Bynum had Kareem & other people help him out with his footwork & overall post game but you could see so much of Pau in Bynum's game in his final season with us.. He had alot of power moves than Pau never did, but alot of his post game was based on finesse & I think he benefited greatly from working with Pau in practice every day, as would Embiid.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:28 pm

I wouldn't keep Pau around just to help Embiid. That's not a good use of our cap space.

I'd rather just have Kareem work directly with him. Bring in Phil. Bring in coaches. I wouldn't want to have our cap tied up just to train the kid.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby HighlyFavored on Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:27 pm

So basically Pau is letting us know he isnt resigning. Pau probably decided to make these statements on his website now because of Dantoni's recent comments.

With Pau Gasol on track to miss the playoffs for just the fourth time in his 13-year NBA career, and the first time since being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, the veteran big man announced that his free agency decision will come down to wins, not money, this offseason.

"Honestly I'm not ruling out renewing my contract, I'm just open to every option," Gasol wrote Friday on his personal website. "My decision will be based purely on sporting considerations. It couldn't be any other way. I want to be in a team with a real chance of winning a ring and where I can help to compete for it. I would like to win another championship. The financial side comes second at this stage of my career."


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10534317/pau-gasol-los-angeles-lakers-wants-win-not-focused-free-agency-payday
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby karacha on Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:47 pm

I did not have a feeling that winning another championship was Pau's highest priority lately. But hey, what do I know...
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:29 pm

So what happened in 2011 Pau?

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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:48 pm

HighlyFavored wrote:So basically Pau is letting us know he isnt resigning. Pau probably decided to make these statements on his website now because of Dantoni's recent comments.


What exactly in Pau's statement indicates he ruled out re-signing?

I can see him going to the Bulls if they amnesty Boozer. Then sign Carmelo.

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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:02 pm

I can see Pau leaving just as easily as I can see him staying. Really it will depend on if the Lakers are keeping Mike. I have never seen a coach, Mike Brown included, that has alienated almost every style of player on the team. Even Marshall who is a PG doesn't seem to be on the rah rah Mike rocks train.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby unpossibl1 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:53 pm

HighlyFavored wrote:So basically Pau is letting us know he isnt resigning. Pau probably decided to make these statements on his website now because of Dantoni's recent comments.

With Pau Gasol on track to miss the playoffs for just the fourth time in his 13-year NBA career, and the first time since being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, the veteran big man announced that his free agency decision will come down to wins, not money, this offseason.

"Honestly I'm not ruling out renewing my contract, I'm just open to every option," Gasol wrote Friday on his personal website. "My decision will be based purely on sporting considerations. It couldn't be any other way. I want to be in a team with a real chance of winning a ring and where I can help to compete for it. I would like to win another championship. The financial side comes second at this stage of my career."


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10534317/pau-gasol-los-angeles-lakers-wants-win-not-focused-free-agency-payday


If this was how he feels then why is he still on the team? Did he tell Mitch he wants to be a Laker and then went back on it or something? If Mitch and co. knew that this was how he felt then they should have traded him for something, anything. They needed to get some value in return for him.

They took a chance and let Dwight walk with nothing coming back in return and it up being a huge mistake. With the comments he was making publicly they should have traded Dwight for as many assets as possible. Now the same mistake is being made with Pau? When the deadline came and went and he was still a Laker I assumed they had talked with Pau and gauged his interest in returning.

At this point they HAVE to resign him. To let both Dwight and Pau walk with nothing coming back would be a disaster. Hopefully once his brother Kobe talks to him Pau will agree to come back, and this was all a power play to get rid of D'Antoni. I don't hate the guy as much as most but it's clear he has lost the locker room and needs to go.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:24 pm

That don't HAVE to resign him. Why compound a mistake with another one?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby revgen on Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:22 pm

I want to be in a team with a real chance of winning a ring


Then he probably leaves. This team isn't winning a chip anytime soon.
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Postby LakerFanIam on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:20 pm

Not sure why we would want Pau to resign, unless it's for the Vet's Min...
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Weezy on Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:24 am

Yeah, if he wants to win a ring, and money is really second, there are a number of teams he can sign with for cheap, or even the minimum in order to get a shot at winning. Question is how far in second is money? The Thunder lack a scoring big, he could go there for the minimum for example, if he really does want to win. I think the balance between being on a competitive team and getting 8 to 10 mil for prides sake is more likely though, and that doesn't put him on a contender, it puts him on playoff team at best.

I don't want him re-signed here though, not really for any price. It's time to move on, to get a more athletic and a better defensive big if possible. If not, still doesn't mean we need to go back to Pau, stick to the same old same old, go with what we know no longer works. We've seemingly been trying to trade Pau for years now though, why would we want to keep him all of a sudden, and why would he want to stay? I think the answer is we don't, and he doesn't, especially if 'Antoni gets another season.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:37 am

Pau wants a lot of things without putting the effort and work in .. unless he slims down and care about the defensive end again , he can't play significant minutes on a contender .

As I said before , I won't watch next season if he's still a Laker and the current crap is still going ... loyalty doesn't equal being laughed at by the FO
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Postby bystander on Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:55 pm

Weezy wrote:Yeah, if he wants to win a ring, and money is really second, there are a number of teams he can sign with for cheap, or even the minimum in order to get a shot at winning. Question is how far in second is money? The Thunder lack a scoring big, he could go there for the minimum for example, if he really does want to win. I think the balance between being on a competitive team and getting 8 to 10 mil for prides sake is more likely though, and that doesn't put him on a contender, it puts him on playoff team at best.


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