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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:32 am

LakersN4 wrote:I know I'm going to get bashed for this, but if we somewhow end up with Embiid.. I think keeping Pau around could be extremely important for us.. Obviously Bynum had Kareem & other people help him out with his footwork & overall post game but you could see so much of Pau in Bynum's game in his final season with us.. He had alot of power moves than Pau never did, but alot of his post game was based on finesse & I think he benefited greatly from working with Pau in practice every day, as would Embiid.

Yup. no one will bash you for this because it's the best plan. If we get Jojo, retaining Pau is a no brainer.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Basketball Fan on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:06 am

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... nt-office/

Pau Gasol says Kobe was right to rip Lakers front office

When the Lakers made it official that Kobe Bryant would in fact be out for the remainder of the season, the team held a press conference where Bryant took questions from reporters as is customary in these situations.

But Bryant did anything but toe the company line. He made it clear that he didn’t want to se Phil Jackson get away once again (which he now somewhat officially has), and expected the family running the front office to get their strained relationship straightened out.

Most importantly, Bryant made it clear that if he puts in all of the necessary work to be back playing next season at 100 percent, he won’t have “a lick of patience” for rebuilding, and expects the team to do whatever it can in order to put a roster together capable of winning now, and not wasting one of Bryant’s precious few remaining NBA seasons.

Bryant’s remarks were endorsed by Pau Gasol, who admired his teammate for publicly airing his grievances.

From Mark Medina of the Los Angeles Daily News:

“I’m glad that he spoke his mind,” Gasol said following the Lakers’ 131-102 loss Thursday to the Oklahoma City Thunder at Chesapeake Energy Arena. “He wants to win. He’s got two years under contract with the franchise. He wants to be in the best possible position to win. Whether you do that publicly or internally, that’s totally up to you. He spoke his mind and you have to respect him for that.”’

Bryant has been Gasol’s biggest supporter within the organization in recent years, speaking up more than once as the trade rumors that were seemingly constant continued to swirl. And the two have formed a close bond — all of which makes Gasol’s reciprocation more expected than it is surprising.

The Lakers are in a difficult spot, to say the least. Waiting one more season before making a big free agent splash seems like the way to go, but then again, wasting one of the final two years of Bryant’s incredible career would seem like a huge mistake.

Assuming he returns fully healthy, Bryant can still play at an elite level, and adding just one more star and the right mix of role players could immediately make the Lakers formidable in the West. But L.A. needs to consider a life without Bryant at the same time, so a win-now plan may not be the best course of action if it ultimately mortgages the team’s future.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby angrypuppy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:55 am

Well Kobe, the time to discuss the future direction of the franchise was when you re-signed while grabbing 40% of the available cap space. I love Kobe, but he knew damn well how his contract was going to impact the Lakers future. I also blame both Jimmy and Mitch for not taking a stand; if this absurd contract was to be a reward, then why the hell didn't they tell Kobe that the reward was a mortgage on the future?

This is just an ongoing cluster [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.].


And this episode demonstrates exactly why they needed Phil Jackson as President. While Phil shouldn't be GM, he has the balls and perspective to say no, and he has the resume and salesmanship necessary to recruit the best free agents.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Elle on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:23 am

Ha, I just saw this. Pau-dini, very clever! Kudos to the person that came up with it!
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:30 am

angrypuppy wrote:Well Kobe, the time to discuss the future direction of the franchise was when you re-signed while grabbing 40% of the available cap space. I love Kobe, but he knew damn well how his contract was going to impact the Lakers future. I also blame both Jimmy and Mitch for not taking a stand; if this absurd contract was to be a reward, then why the hell didn't they tell Kobe that the reward was a mortgage on the future?

This is just an ongoing cluster [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.].


And this episode demonstrates exactly why they needed Phil Jackson as President. While Phil shouldn't be GM, he has the balls and perspective to say no, and he has the resume and salesmanship necessary to recruit the best free agents.

He went to the finals 3 seasons in a row & won 2 rings making a similar amount of money.. Thinking he needed to take less for the FO to be able to build a contender around him would be him admitting that he can't get it done anymore.. If he did that he wouldn't be who he is.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Chillbongo on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:53 am

angrypuppy wrote:Well Kobe, the time to discuss the future direction of the franchise was when you re-signed while grabbing 40% of the available cap space. I love Kobe, but he knew damn well how his contract was going to impact the Lakers future.

How much did you want Kobe to take? The vet min?

Let's stop discussing this because it's getting ridiculous. Kobe at best would have taken a $4M pay cut per year. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US WINNING AND NOT IS $4 MILLION DOLLARS?

Stop this nonsense.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby angrypuppy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:17 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:Well Kobe, the time to discuss the future direction of the franchise was when you re-signed while grabbing 40% of the available cap space. I love Kobe, but he knew damn well how his contract was going to impact the Lakers future.

How much did you want Kobe to take? The vet min?

Let's stop discussing this because it's getting ridiculous. Kobe at best would have taken a $4M pay cut per year. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US WINNING AND NOT IS $4 MILLION DOLLARS?

Stop this nonsense.



Who said Kobe should take the vet min? It sure is easy to win a strawman argument, isn't it? All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses). The Lakers also didn't need to extend Kobe prior to his return from the Achilles injury, which was pretty damn stupid and hardly hindsight.

Kobe is being disingenuous; the team had no player assets or picks to trade. All the team had was projected free cap space which eroded quickly after his premature and monetarily absurd signing. Kobe is bright enough to realize that, but he wanted the monetary gratification and the front office was acquiescent and granted it to him without so much as a whimper. They were both wrong, and now with no assets in place other than a lone first round pick, Kobe wants to win now? This conversation (the one between the front office, Pelinka and Kobe) should have taken place months ago.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:49 pm

I could see people complaining if the FO presented Kobe with a plan for who they could bring in if he took say 18-20M or less & Kobe said no & negotiated the offer up but all he did was accept the offer made to him.. & as it stands HE DID TAKE A PAYCUT.. With a max extension on his current contract he would have made 33-34M in the first year of the deal. So he actually took 9-10M less than he could have demanded, & he probably would have gotten it if he demanded it.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:39 pm

I'm not sure what Kobe's end game is here. Either he's extremely disconnected to the point of not understanding the CBA and the salary situation or he's angling for something else.

Even at 15 million we have no shot at getting a championship team in 2 years. Having money is one thing..... Having great/good players available at need positions is another. Having time to gel is another. Having a system in place and matching players to it is another.... Being injury free is another....

The odds of all of this happening in his window are very remote. We aren't attracting 30 year old stars looking for a championship anymore (even if we never did)..... Those guys will go to teams with solid cores who need the star to complete the team. We will have a hard time getting up and coming young players IMO unless we over pay......because of the lack of a team here.

Kobe's been in the league long enough to know this. He's always threatened to play in NY when he's not getting what he wanted.....maybe he wants to follow Phil now.....
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Chillbongo on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:08 pm

angrypuppy wrote:All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses).

Oh you're right. Damn wish Mitch, Jim & Kobe knew of the salary cap before they did this. Now they have to work around it. If only they knew it existed before giving Kobe the deal.

I agree that the extension was early.....that was more of a show of loyalty to Kobe (and hint hint - potential free agents who will get a glimpse of Laker loyalty).
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby angrypuppy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:31 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses).

Oh you're right. Damn wish Mitch, Jim & Kobe knew of the salary cap before they did this. Now they have to work around it. If only they knew it existed before giving Kobe the deal.

I agree that the extension was early.....that was more of a show of loyalty to Kobe (and hint hint - potential free agents who will get a glimpse of Laker loyalty).



I doubt any free agent is going to look at Kobe's contract as a reason to play for the Lakers. They'll look at the value of the immediate contract (undoubtedly max or damn close), the franchise's ability to win a championship, and the location. Kobe's last contract will be an afterthought, I've never seen anything looking like a precedent in free agency in any major sport.

But that's ok, it is just a doubt. What I do find strange is that Kobe and the front office seemingly never communicated about the direction of the future of the franchise during the negotiation. All Kobe had to do was ask: "So where are you going to find players with limited cap space and just about no trade assets?" If Kobe didn't ask, Mitch and Jimmy should have said, "Kobe, job well done. Here's your reward, but the reward pretty much destroys cap space. We'll be lucky to land one quality free agent during your next two years. Is that acceptable?" In other words, communicate with him. They obviously didn't communicate with him, and they sure as hell did not communicate with Dwight Howard.

That is what I find disturbing, and that is why I consider this to be an ongoing cluster....
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby angrypuppy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:37 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I'm not sure what Kobe's end game is here. Either he's extremely disconnected to the point of not understanding the CBA and the salary situation or he's angling for something else.

Even at 15 million we have no shot at getting a championship team in 2 years. Having money is one thing..... Having great/good players available at need positions is another. Having time to gel is another. Having a system in place and matching players to it is another.... Being injury free is another....

The odds of all of this happening in his window are very remote. We aren't attracting 30 year old stars looking for a championship anymore (even if we never did)..... Those guys will go to teams with solid cores who need the star to complete the team. We will have a hard time getting up and coming young players IMO unless we over pay......because of the lack of a team here.

Kobe's been in the league long enough to know this. He's always threatened to play in NY when he's not getting what he wanted.....maybe he wants to follow Phil now.....




Interesting point. Kobe could make himself persona non grata, and my impression of Jimmy is that he will want to avoid a pissing match. I don't see Kobe going to a contender, as no contender will empty their roster to facilitate a trade. If the Lakers are willing to take back sewage and picks, it is a possibility.

Again, it will just show the poor communication by the front office if this happens. The time to discuss championship aspirations was during the extension talks, not after. That would have given the front office time to look into any potential sign-and-trade deals if Kobe did not buy-in; Kobe would have also learned that his market value to a contender was far less than the contract offered by the Lakers. Yet no worries; if Kobe chooses to engage in a battle with the front office and gets a trade, I'm sure they'll spin it as yet another richly deserved "gift" to Kobe.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:08 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses).

Oh you're right. Damn wish Mitch, Jim & Kobe knew of the salary cap before they did this. Now they have to work around it. If only they knew it existed before giving Kobe the deal.

I agree that the extension was early.....that was more of a show of loyalty to Kobe (and hint hint - potential free agents who will get a glimpse of Laker loyalty).

Was it them showing loyalty to Kobe or was it them locking Kobe in before he had a chance to see that they had no plan for making the team a contender in the final years of his career? I think they decided to wait on the '15 class with Rondo/Love/LMA/etc. instead of putting all their eggs in the Melo basket & knew that Kobe wouldn't be ok with 2 seasons of mediocrity, so they locked in the only meal ticket they have before he had a chance to hold them hostage this summer with a "get Melo or I'm gone" ultimatum.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby angrypuppy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:26 pm

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Chillbongo wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses).

Oh you're right. Damn wish Mitch, Jim & Kobe knew of the salary cap before they did this. Now they have to work around it. If only they knew it existed before giving Kobe the deal.

I agree that the extension was early.....that was more of a show of loyalty to Kobe (and hint hint - potential free agents who will get a glimpse of Laker loyalty).

Was it them showing loyalty to Kobe or was it them locking Kobe in before he had a chance to see that they had no plan for making the team a contender in the final years of his career? I think they decided to wait on the '15 class with Rondo/Love/LMA/etc. instead of putting all their eggs in the Melo basket & knew that Kobe wouldn't be ok with 2 seasons of mediocrity, so they locked in the only meal ticket they have before he had a chance to hold them hostage this summer with a "get Melo or I'm gone" ultimatum.




I don't see locking in a disgruntled Kobe as a good thing, not with a contract that makes him virtually unmovable. No contender will accept him, and the fringe, contract-heavy teams like the Nets and Knicks can only offer you crap in return. If this was a loyalty contract, it was either not communicated to Kobe that it had strings (like eating with your mouth shut) or Kobe played them for the money and now wants to end his career elsewhere. Of course the third possibility is that Kobe wasn't paying attention when Dwight left town, Nash became a cripple, Pau got old and D'Antoni continued to coach.

But getting back to the premise of Chillbongo's argument, how's that loyalty contract working out? Kobe being disgruntled at the front office is not a good thing for attracting future free agents, and in fact more than erases any goodwill attached to the exorbitant monetary value of the contract.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:02 pm

No it doesn't. The present coaching predicament has absolutely nothing to do with the message sent by that contract.

They gave it to him before he had even shown how he'd play after his Achilles. Do you think that's an accident? Of course not. It's a statement that says we, the Lakers, will pay our stars their full due. If you bring us rings, we'll compensate you accordingly even if you've been hurt. The message worked as I recall, Zach Randolph commented to that effect right after it happened.

Obviously the contract means the Lakers are in a tough spot now, but they were going to be in a tough spot anyway. Now they've shown the rest of the young guys in the League that foregoing that extra year on their contracts for Los Angeles will be reimbursed later on in their careers. Guys like Love, Irving, and Durant all HAD to see that and take notice.

Now Kobe is upset, but that has nothing to do with what the contract told the League. Now it's about finding a way to keep Kobe quiet until we can have a chance to rebuild. The only thing Kobe's "disgruntled-ness" showed was that our franchise isn't communicating well to it's important members. Jim and Mitch should be keeping Kobe updated with what's going on and apparently they are not. That has nothing to do with his contract and why it was the amount it is.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:07 am

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Now Kobe is upset, but that has nothing to do with what the contract told the League. Now it's about finding a way to keep Kobe quiet until we can have a chance to rebuild. The only thing Kobe's "disgruntled-ness" showed was that our franchise isn't communicating well to it's important members. Jim and Mitch should be keeping Kobe updated with what's going on and apparently they are not. That has nothing to do with his contract and why it was the amount it is.

I think you're oversimplifying the communication problems.. It seems like Kobe is deliberately being left out of the loop because he wouldn't agree with the direction we're heading in.. Blake was a Kobe guy, a tough veteran, a solid backup G for any winning team.. If Mitch or Jim went to Kobe with "so we're thinking of sending Steve to GS so he can have a chance to be in the playoffs & we can get a couple young prospects to evaluate for the rest of this throwaway season".. You can bet Kobe would have been strongly against it.. When we were still in win now mode with Dwight & Nash hadn't fully broken down yet, they kept Kobe in the loop on the coaching hire & picked 1 of the 2 guys he was on board with.. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's not being consulted on moves we make now that we're in rebuilding mode. If this starts to become a pattern with the FO making moves for a rebuild & leaving Kobe out of their plans I won't be shocked at all if he tries to force his way to NY with Phil & Melo. When Kobe signed his extension he said they presented him with a plan that convinced him they could get right back to contending.. You can bet he's going to continue to turn up the heat in the media if the FO doesn't do what they said they would.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby therealdeal on Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:05 am

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therealdeal wrote:
Now Kobe is upset, but that has nothing to do with what the contract told the League. Now it's about finding a way to keep Kobe quiet until we can have a chance to rebuild. The only thing Kobe's "disgruntled-ness" showed was that our franchise isn't communicating well to it's important members. Jim and Mitch should be keeping Kobe updated with what's going on and apparently they are not. That has nothing to do with his contract and why it was the amount it is.

I think you're oversimplifying the communication problems.. It seems like Kobe is deliberately being left out of the loop because he wouldn't agree with the direction we're heading in.. Blake was a Kobe guy, a tough veteran, a solid backup G for any winning team.. If Mitch or Jim went to Kobe with "so we're thinking of sending Steve to GS so he can have a chance to be in the playoffs & we can get a couple young prospects to evaluate for the rest of this throwaway season".. You can bet Kobe would have been strongly against it.. When we were still in win now mode with Dwight & Nash hadn't fully broken down yet, they kept Kobe in the loop on the coaching hire & picked 1 of the 2 guys he was on board with.. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's not being consulted on moves we make now that we're in rebuilding mode. If this starts to become a pattern with the FO making moves for a rebuild & leaving Kobe out of their plans I won't be shocked at all if he tries to force his way to NY with Phil & Melo. When Kobe signed his extension he said they presented him with a plan that convinced him they could get right back to contending.. You can bet he's going to continue to turn up the heat in the media if the FO doesn't do what they said they would.

That's a separate discussion though. Even if he tries to force his way to the Knicks or something, the fact remains the Lakers still made the statement that they'd support their stars financially.

I doubt that he'd force his way out, but he won't hesitate to be critical of the Lakers and that's fine. He should be doing that as long as they don't communicate with him.

And I agree that communication is an issue and you're probably on to something with how and why they didn't talk to him. They should have simply told Kobe the truth and let him deal with it, but they didn't. In the end setting up the franchise for Kobe's departure is the main goal here. They tried to do both with the Paul/Howard idea and that was a good one, but now they're going to probably have to move forward in the franchise's best interest and that's not always going to be the same as Kobe's. Kobe should have been prepared for that before he signed his contract.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:03 pm

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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:26 pm

Well that's a direct blow to Pringles and as a result indirect blow to the FO.

I wonder if Pau even wants to stay a Laker. He probably has already discussed NY with Phil.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:39 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Pau Gasol says things would have been "different" had Phil Jackson coached the Lakers past two seasons. How? Gasol:" Where should I start?"
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Everyone is just sniping the FO right now. :man10:


Damn, how can the FO even think about bringing 'Antoni back next season when players indirectly disrespect him like this so often? I don't want Phil back as coach, we don't have the right team for that, but it's not hard to see the difference between his basketball mind and his presence and 'Antoni's while watching Phil's NY press conference.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:54 pm

angrypuppy wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:All the Lakers had to do was introduce the fact that grabbing 40% of the cap share reduced considerable flexibility in the pursuit of free agents and potential free agents (players with opt-out clauses).

Oh you're right. Damn wish Mitch, Jim & Kobe knew of the salary cap before they did this. Now they have to work around it. If only they knew it existed before giving Kobe the deal.

I agree that the extension was early.....that was more of a show of loyalty to Kobe (and hint hint - potential free agents who will get a glimpse of Laker loyalty).

Was it them showing loyalty to Kobe or was it them locking Kobe in before he had a chance to see that they had no plan for making the team a contender in the final years of his career? I think they decided to wait on the '15 class with Rondo/Love/LMA/etc. instead of putting all their eggs in the Melo basket & knew that Kobe wouldn't be ok with 2 seasons of mediocrity, so they locked in the only meal ticket they have before he had a chance to hold them hostage this summer with a "get Melo or I'm gone" ultimatum.




I don't see locking in a disgruntled Kobe as a good thing, not with a contract that makes him virtually unmovable. No contender will accept him, and the fringe, contract-heavy teams like the Nets and Knicks can only offer you crap in return. If this was a loyalty contract, it was either not communicated to Kobe that it had strings (like eating with your mouth shut) or Kobe played them for the money and now wants to end his career elsewhere. Of course the third possibility is that Kobe wasn't paying attention when Dwight left town, Nash became a cripple, Pau got old and D'Antoni continued to coach.

But getting back to the premise of Chillbongo's argument, how's that loyalty contract working out? Kobe being disgruntled at the front office is not a good thing for attracting future free agents, and in fact more than erases any goodwill attached to the exorbitant monetary value of the contract.


To add to this, is Kobe looking at this as a case of loyalty? If he were, I doubt he'd be blasting the front office. Kobe took that contract because in his head he thinks he is still a top 3 player and worth that money. The F.O. offered it to him because they don't have a clear cut plan and are going to milk Kobe for ratings and ticket sales.

I don't think people should discount what 9 million would have done for our cap situation. Let's say he takes 15 million. Now we may look slightly more attractive to a Chris Bosh or Lebron James if they know we can get other players to surround them. But let's not focus on signing Lebron as it was always pipe. We could have afforded to go out and get Bosh, Stephenson AND Lowry to add to Kobe and our high first rounder. That team is a very good team with the right coach, and with a few added players with the MLE the next season and our Bi-annual exception the next season they could really make some noise.

It may have been a two year process, but we could have signed Lowry and Stephenson this offseason with our added first rounder. That would have created a solid foundation to build on for the next year. Then we sign Love and maybe Omer Asik to round out the team for 2015.
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Postby bigdog2013 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:19 pm

i think pau is going to the knicks or memphis.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:58 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Pau Gasol says things would have been "different" had Phil Jackson coached the Lakers past two seasons. How? Gasol:" Where should I start?"
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Everyone is just sniping the FO right now. :man10:


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Learning the 5 position isn't like going to med school, which I've done...so I'm sure the not-so-bright Dwight would have picked it up quite easily.
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Also, Phil may never practice defense, but his teams sure know how to play it with each of his title teams being in the top 5.
And by the way, don't ask me anymore mucho retardo questions!"

But alas, we need to move on....but i have a huge problem with the mindset that Phil wouldn't have made a difference. We had the talent last season to do something and at the very least be a title contender. That team had flaws, but so does every other team...its how you overcome those flaws. Boston and Miami recently put together super teams and both of them made it to the Finals. Heck, even after adding Pau midseason to a core of Kobe, LO and Bynum got us to the Finals. If in Year 1, we didn't wine a title, it would have been a lot more fun to watch than what MDA provided. Then of course, there's year 2....and ANYTHING from Phil would have been better than the ish we're getting this season.

Our FO is a joke and no amount of Laker pride can overcome the absolute stupidity they have demonstrated since Dr. Buss fell gravely ill (ie 2011).
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:56 pm

Kobe lost all leverage when he signed that contract. Even if he wanted to force his way to NY, they lack the assets (that LA would want) to allow any viable trade to go through. His contract is too big and somehow manages to hamstring both club and player.

The contract felt like a reactive panic move. Something of which this FO is making a habit. I don't blame Mitch. Mitch's M.O. through the years has been on of patience and cold calculation. I do think he's being a yes-man, and that is not serving his employer very well.

With respect to Kobe's contract, the notion that the Lakers had to show commitment to future FA stars by over-paying Kobe is an after-the-fact rationalization. Maybe that contract would be more palatable after Kobe showed he could stay healthy (and I'm a huuuge Kobe fan), but at the time it was sealed, it was simply a bonehead move. That's something that an organization like Cleveland would pull out of a desperate sense of institutional insecurity.

The Kobe contract, the MDA hire, the Rudy T. hire,. the Mike Brown hire, the pink-slipping employees during the playoffs -- one could go on. These decisions were not well thought out. They seemed impulsive and rash, more a reaction against the immediately preceding decision than anything else (how else to explain hiring a one-trick pony defensive 'specialist" coach, firing him 5 games into the season, then hiring his offensive-specialist analogue (who was a complete bust at his most recent HC gig)?

Bad decisions from the recent past are still crippling this organization. The biggest screw-ups in recent memory is the non-handling of the D12 fiasco. When has any organization done well when sticking to its guns on a journeyman coach at the risk of losing top-tier talent? Even if you doubt D12 is worth the trouble to keep, you could always trade him for assets that could be utilized in a much quicker rebuild. But somehow, the same organization who feels it needs to overpay older stars, thinks that young stars can be treated in a "take it or leave it" manner. That's institutional incoherence.

One bad decision, every now and then, can be absorbed. A series of them spells long-term disaster.

Ask Jerry Jones how that owner/director of player personnel position is working out with the Dallas Cowboys.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:28 am

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Pau Gasol says things would have been "different" had Phil Jackson coached the Lakers past two seasons. How? Gasol:" Where should I start?"
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Everyone is just sniping the FO right now. :man10:


Oh… Brother….. Pau is now trying to blame his complete lack of effort at times on the front office…. Will this guy ever look in the mirror? I am so done with his crap.

Phil wasn't saving last year…. Howard would be just as gone….. Nash would be just as done…..
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