Rooscooter wrote: Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Well... I think it's very interesting that most of the same people who wanted Brown gone for trying the Princton offense with Nash think that Phil and the Tri solves that.... And everything else from halitosis to Putin.....
Howard was gone once he and Kobe hit heads and stated walking around the locker room showing reporters the box scores..... If Phil had stopped that we'd be in worse shape IMO as he wasn't leading us anywhere.
Yeah, but the triangle has a proven track record with King Triangle running it (Phil). Also, several of those players were well versed in the tri and Nash is very smart and could have picked it up. Howard would have been fine as well since center is the least difficult position to learn in the tri. I also don't think Kobe goes rogue with Phil in command and Howard doesn't feel like he's being marginalized to that extent.
Once again, I'm not of the belief that D12 staying was a slam dunk with Phil as coach, but I don't think a lot of the problems that started last season would have been present. I also do not think Phil coaching last year's team makes their 7 seed a 2 seed either. I just think the team has a better feel and more stable feel. I think Howard is more inclined to stay and the entire team looks better as a whole from the outside.
All that being said, I was not advocating Phil last season because like Roo said, at some point we have to move on and start building for the future. D'Antoni was a bad choice though. I look back at the Brown hire over Rick Adelman as where the wheels started to come off. That was Jimmy overruling Mitch.
Tex is 92….. or are you talking about Phil?
To be accurate…. the Triangle has never won a championship without Kobe or Michael….. and even then there were losses. Nash in the Triangle would have been a mess. I'm sure Nash's presence and the promises made to him are some of the reasons we didn't get Phil again. Over the years Phil had some not so kind words for MDA/Nash and that group. Not sure Nash wanted anything to do with it in the first person.
I don't see the Triangle making Howard a high post facilitator or Nash productive off the ball.
As for the team stability issue. I'm not sure how a 2 year contract (rumored to what was offered) does anything to give the Laker's stability. It just delays the inevitable doesn't it? Howard's going to sign a 5 year deal and not walk to Houston because of that? If we had traded Kobe or if he had retired after the injury would be a better way to have kept him IMO. I don't think he was worried about the coach one bit.
MDA is an idiot of the first degree….. he needs to go but I think the ones who focus on that area missing the fact that we are in the aftershock of the Phil/Mitch era. What we did to borrow/cheat/steal to remain relevant for 15 years had to come to an end. When it did it's left us with a pretty big hole to dig out of. The coach just doesn't matter until we get some personnel in here to actually compete again.
Have to disagree with some of these points Roo.. I'm not sure Phil could have done anything for this seasons roster, but he would have helped greatly in recruiting Melo or Monroe, & then Love in '15, & he would have also done a much better job with last seasons roster.
Down the stretch when we went something like 28-12 to make the playoffs, we did it after Kobe called the players only meeting & scrapped D'antoni's system & played to their strengths.. From that point on Kobe was handling the ball, Nash was spotting up for 3's (the 1 thing he's really good at still), Pau was facilitating in the high post, Dwight was in the low post.. Sounds alot like how those players would be used in the triangle doesn't it? & we were winning games.
The difference of course being that the guy Dwight would have respected enough to modify his game to help the team wasn't the 1 calling the shots, his teammate that he couldn't wait to get away from was.. If Phil was there I think we have Dwight buying in 100% believing Phil will make him as great as he can possibly be, & we all know how important players buying in to the system can be, especially for a mental midget like Dwight.
Would we have won a championship with that team? I think that's impossible to say.. But I definitely don't think Kobe would have had the same injury.. Kobe's minutes would have been managed better because we wouldn't have had such a bad record that he needed to play 40+ minutes every game for us to make the playoffs.
Nash would have probably still gotten hurt because he gets hurt getting out of bed, but that wouldn't have mattered nearly as much because PG's are nothing more than spot up shooters that play defense in the triangle.
Would Dwight have left after a season improving his game under the ultimate coach of great players & manager of egos? Highly unlikely.. In the grand scheme Dwight leaving might work out for the best because I don't think you win a title with him as your best player unless you draft him & spend his entire career finding the right mix of role players like Orlando did. He still would have been a great trade asset..
But the Kobe injury is the worst thing to happen to this franchise in a long time.. If he doesn't return to form next season, not having a coach that had the guts to manage Kobe's minutes properly might have turned our usual quick reload into 3 painful seasons of Kobe not being Kobe followed by who knows how many seasons of just flat out not having a franchise player to even build around.