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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby laakers on Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:51 pm

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wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the reasons I'm not sure Mitch is the right guy for a rebuild is embodied by the fact that Pau is going to expire. Not cashing in his value for anything whatsoever is a massive mistake IMO.

Re-signing him is a way of deflecting any criticism away from that fact as well.

Letting Pau expire will be a defining move for this franchise for the next few years.


Careful when saying that's a fact. Sure, he's older, and got lots of minutes on his legs. But with Kobe's injuries, he's been the top option on our team, and has had to hold up a lot, not just in the game but emotionally for the team. With better proven players that take on bigger roles, he might flourish. He's definitely deteriorating, but still has skill and I think he might be useful, if for the right price. I still admire what he did with our franchise, his bond with Kobe is something I'll always love.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:58 am

Helljumper wrote:I watched Mitch's exit interview, and when asked about potential Pau trades, he mentioned that they really didn't get any great offers, and they didn't want to sell Pau for significantly below his value because they didn't want to send the message that the franchise is too focused on saving money.

And I'm fine with that. It seems like all we could've gotten for him was a second rounder. While a second rounder would've been better than letting him go for nothing, a lot of Laker fans, Kobe, and other people around the league, would've probably seen that as more of a money saving move than trying to salvage SOME value.


We could have get 2 or 3 SOLID players back in 2012 ... but Lakers office was still obsessed with getting a star in return after the CP3 nixed deal ...

Lakers always wanted more than what they could get for Gasol these latest 2-3 seasons , that's why they never could come through ( plus some BS excuses ala we'll see how he looks with Nash ect).

If Gortat+fillers get you a 1st round pick in October 2013 , don't tell me we couldn't get the same at that time for Pau ...

The majority of the FO decisions (and undecisions) since the Dallas debacle suck and that's why we're in a mediocre position right now ... not trading Pau being the biggest mistake
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Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:20 am

They couldn't get any value for Pau because they let his value get to the point where teams could strong arm the Lakers.

Going from CP3 to Dragic/Martin/Scola/1st to a 2nd round pick is incredibly misguided management by the FO.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby 432J on Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:22 am

Doc Brown wrote:They couldn't get any value for Pau because they let his value get to the point where teams could strong arm the Lakers.

Going from CP3 to Dragic/Martin/Scola/1st to a 2nd round pick is incredibly misguided management by the FO.

unfortunately this is spot on

if they had dealt him in 2011 or even early 2012, they could have gotten a strong return in exchange but at this point his value is at an all time low
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:35 am

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wcsoldier81 wrote:One of the reasons I'm not sure Mitch is the right guy for a rebuild is embodied by the fact that Pau is going to expire. Not cashing in his value for anything whatsoever is a massive mistake IMO.

Re-signing him is a way of deflecting any criticism away from that fact as well.

Letting Pau expire will be a defining move for this franchise for the next few years.


Careful when saying that's a fact. Sure, he's older, and got lots of minutes on his legs. But with Kobe's injuries, he's been the top option on our team, and has had to hold up a lot, not just in the game but emotionally for the team. With better proven players that take on bigger roles, he might flourish. He's definitely deteriorating, but still has skill and I think he might be useful, if for the right price. I still admire what he did with our franchise, his bond with Kobe is something I'll always love.


I have no gripe with what Pau has done for the Lakers at all. That, to me, has nothing to do with his value to us going forward. He is on the downward side of his career and we will not be a contender in his remaining window of usefulness. This has been evident for 2 years now.

Management (Mitch in particular) has positioned us for "Max Slots" with the hopes of getting a new star. This is why we haven't been able to trade him. No one was willing to give up assets/picks that meet our "no long term contracts" mandate. So….. we got nothing….. a max slot….. and no opportunities to get a star it seems.

Maybe they have a larger plan…. but we've been on the "insert year here" plan it seems for 3 years now and Mitch himself expressed that we may be on that plan for at least another year or 2.

I'd rather have taken back a bad contract and have gotten some replacement picks for the Howard and Nash trades. That's going to prove much more valuable than these Max Slots when players aren't walking away from the deals their current teams can give them because of the new CBA. Howard walked away but in no way can you translate his line of thinking to a guy like Love or Durant. I'd almost bet the house that neither of these guys change teams in FA and since we don't' have assets to trade our likelihood of getting either even if they become available is nearly zilch.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby revgen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:40 am

Doc Brown wrote:They couldn't get any value for Pau because they let his value get to the point where teams could strong arm the Lakers.

Going from CP3 to Dragic/Martin/Scola/1st to a 2nd round pick is incredibly misguided management by the FO.


I think he still has some value. Just at a lower price point. And since we have his bird rights, we can facilitate a sign and trade (we're under the cap now) with another team that wants him at a lower price.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby trodgers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:32 am

therealdeal wrote:Who are those ten people? What are they getting paid? Are they actually averaging those numbers (and if so, why not)? And how old are they?

A bird in the hand. I'd rather have Monroe now and then talk Love in 2015. Monroe plus Kobe would mean only about 40 million guaranteed next season, a little more than that with the draft pick. Love makes 19 million or so and we're still under the cap.

Then you can trade Monroe if you need to because he's only 24 and he averages a double-double. Someone will want him.

I dug through those numbers: there only nine non-guards who this season averaged 15+ points, 9+ boards, and shot 48%+

Duncan 37 y/o $10.4M (PO)
Gasol 33 y/o $19.3M (Free Agent!)
Lee 30 y/o $13.9M (under contract)
Jefferson 29 y/o $13.5M (under contract)
Dwight 28 y/o $20.5M (under contract)
Griffin 24 y/o $17.6M (next season)
Cousins 23 y/o $13.7M (next season)
Monroe 23 y/o $5.5 (QO)
Davis 20 y/o $5.6M (TO next season)

How many are available? Gasol, Monroe. Gasol is ten years older.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:56 am

Wow great work there trodgers. :bow:

And damn those numbers look really good all of a sudden. No wonder the Lakers refused to move Gasol for anything like a 2nd round pick. Obviously they should have traded him sooner, but that 2nd round pick offer was an insult.

This makes me want Monroe on the team even more. To heck with the rest of the roster/our future prospects of free agents. Get me the young man who puts up elite numbers please.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:50 am

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therealdeal wrote:Who are those ten people? What are they getting paid? Are they actually averaging those numbers (and if so, why not)? And how old are they?

A bird in the hand. I'd rather have Monroe now and then talk Love in 2015. Monroe plus Kobe would mean only about 40 million guaranteed next season, a little more than that with the draft pick. Love makes 19 million or so and we're still under the cap.

Then you can trade Monroe if you need to because he's only 24 and he averages a double-double. Someone will want him.

I dug through those numbers: there only nine non-guards who this season averaged 15+ points, 9+ boards, and shot 48%+

Duncan 37 y/o $10.4M (PO)
Gasol 33 y/o $19.3M (Free Agent!)
Lee 30 y/o $13.9M (under contract)
Jefferson 29 y/o $13.5M (under contract)
Dwight 28 y/o $20.5M (under contract)
Griffin 24 y/o $17.6M (next season)
Cousins 23 y/o $13.7M (next season)
Monroe 23 y/o $5.5 (QO)
Davis 20 y/o $5.6M (TO next season)

How many are available? Gasol, Monroe. Gasol is ten years older.

Other than Lee, Monroe is the worst defender on the list. If we offer him anywhere near his 13.7M max it'll be a bigger blunder than not trading Pau when the offers were good.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:54 am

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therealdeal wrote:Who are those ten people? What are they getting paid? Are they actually averaging those numbers (and if so, why not)? And how old are they?

A bird in the hand. I'd rather have Monroe now and then talk Love in 2015. Monroe plus Kobe would mean only about 40 million guaranteed next season, a little more than that with the draft pick. Love makes 19 million or so and we're still under the cap.

Then you can trade Monroe if you need to because he's only 24 and he averages a double-double. Someone will want him.

I dug through those numbers: there only nine non-guards who this season averaged 15+ points, 9+ boards, and shot 48%+

Duncan 37 y/o $10.4M (PO)
Gasol 33 y/o $19.3M (Free Agent!)
Lee 30 y/o $13.9M (under contract)
Jefferson 29 y/o $13.5M (under contract)
Dwight 28 y/o $20.5M (under contract)
Griffin 24 y/o $17.6M (next season)
Cousins 23 y/o $13.7M (next season)
Monroe 23 y/o $5.5 (QO)
Davis 20 y/o $5.6M (TO next season)

How many are available? Gasol, Monroe. Gasol is ten years older.


What happens to that group if you add in at least 65% from the FT line?
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby trodgers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:02 am

Only one person is off, Roo. I think we all know who that is...

Monroe's defensive numbers are better than Gasol's, so it's an upgrade in many ways.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:18 am

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therealdeal wrote:Who are those ten people? What are they getting paid? Are they actually averaging those numbers (and if so, why not)? And how old are they?

A bird in the hand. I'd rather have Monroe now and then talk Love in 2015. Monroe plus Kobe would mean only about 40 million guaranteed next season, a little more than that with the draft pick. Love makes 19 million or so and we're still under the cap.

Then you can trade Monroe if you need to because he's only 24 and he averages a double-double. Someone will want him.

I dug through those numbers: there only nine non-guards who this season averaged 15+ points, 9+ boards, and shot 48%+

Duncan 37 y/o $10.4M (PO)
Gasol 33 y/o $19.3M (Free Agent!)
Lee 30 y/o $13.9M (under contract)
Jefferson 29 y/o $13.5M (under contract)
Dwight 28 y/o $20.5M (under contract)
Griffin 24 y/o $17.6M (next season)
Cousins 23 y/o $13.7M (next season)
Monroe 23 y/o $5.5 (QO)
Davis 20 y/o $5.6M (TO next season)

How many are available? Gasol, Monroe. Gasol is ten years older.

Other than Lee, Monroe is the worst defender on the list. If we offer him anywhere near his 13.7M max it'll be a bigger blunder than not trading Pau when the offers were good.


Individual defense is a non starter IMO. Teams play defense as a unit. With coaching he can be a part of a good defensive squad IMO. Just as Howard's DPOY defense is vastly overrated I think Monroe's lack of defense is overrated.

Finally how can you not put Biff in that statement? He's the weak link in the Clips improved defense this year.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:21 am

I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.
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Postby trodgers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:43 am

PF:
Duncan: 10.8 (39%, 17-12-2)
Lee: 14.9 (46%, 22-12-3)
Davis: 16.6 (51%, 20-11-3)
Griffin: 17.1 (50%, 17-12-4)
Monroe: 21.2 PER (59%, 24-11-4)
Gasol: 23.8 (57%, 29-14-5)

Center:
Lee: 15.8 (49%, 17-14-2)
Howard: 16.3 (53%, 16-14-2)
Griffin: 16.3 (63%, 17-15-2)
Monroe: 17.2 (51% 19-15-2)
Jefferson: 17.4 (50%, 19-15-3)
Cousins: 18.6 (53%, 20-13-2)
Gasol: 19.4 (51%, 21-16-4)
Duncan: 19.7 (55%, 21-14-2)
Davis: 21.0 (21-14-3)

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Lee +10.5
Griffin +8.9
Howard +6.3
Cousins +4.7
Davis +2.1
Jefferson +2.0
Monroe +1.5
Duncan -3.1
Gasol -4.9
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:11 am

Rooscooter wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:
trodgers wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Who are those ten people? What are they getting paid? Are they actually averaging those numbers (and if so, why not)? And how old are they?

A bird in the hand. I'd rather have Monroe now and then talk Love in 2015. Monroe plus Kobe would mean only about 40 million guaranteed next season, a little more than that with the draft pick. Love makes 19 million or so and we're still under the cap.

Then you can trade Monroe if you need to because he's only 24 and he averages a double-double. Someone will want him.

I dug through those numbers: there only nine non-guards who this season averaged 15+ points, 9+ boards, and shot 48%+

Duncan 37 y/o $10.4M (PO)
Gasol 33 y/o $19.3M (Free Agent!)
Lee 30 y/o $13.9M (under contract)
Jefferson 29 y/o $13.5M (under contract)
Dwight 28 y/o $20.5M (under contract)
Griffin 24 y/o $17.6M (next season)
Cousins 23 y/o $13.7M (next season)
Monroe 23 y/o $5.5 (QO)
Davis 20 y/o $5.6M (TO next season)

How many are available? Gasol, Monroe. Gasol is ten years older.

Other than Lee, Monroe is the worst defender on the list. If we offer him anywhere near his 13.7M max it'll be a bigger blunder than not trading Pau when the offers were good.


Individual defense is a non starter IMO. Teams play defense as a unit. With coaching he can be a part of a good defensive squad IMO. Just as Howard's DPOY defense is vastly overrated I think Monroe's lack of defense is overrated.

Finally how can you not put Biff in that statement? He's the weak link in the Clips improved defense this year.


Defense is a team thing but when you have players defending the PNR so badly as Lee or Jefferson does , it badly hurts you D , even if surrounded by solid defenders and defensive schemes ...

Chicago team D, as great as it is , still gets hurt by Boozer pathetic D ... and that's why he doesn't step on the floor in 4th quarters
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:14 am

therealdeal wrote:I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.


Yep Jefferson is horrible on D ... slow footed as you can be on PNR .

As of now , Cousins has no idea how to play D ... He has to be taught but it's not going to happen in SAC right now ..
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Postby LakersN4 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:03 am

therealdeal wrote:I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.

This is true, Jefferson is pretty bad too, his elite offensive game makes up for it but we're talking about defense here so I can't argue that.. Cousins isn't a great or even good defender yet but he has much more impact on that side than Monroe does at this point.. & with both being young guys, Cousins having athleticism to build on where Monroe has none means he will likely become a much better defender than Monroe.. Wes Johnson had more blocks than Monroe this season while playing fewer minutes.. This guy is flat out nailed to the floor, doesn't have the tools to ever become an above average defender. If our plans are to go after Love next summer like we keep hearing, choosing Monroe as the big to pair with him will be a disaster.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:42 am

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therealdeal wrote:I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.

This is true, Jefferson is pretty bad too, his elite offensive game makes up for it but we're talking about defense here so I can't argue that.. Cousins isn't a great or even good defender yet but he has much more impact on that side than Monroe does at this point.. & with both being young guys, Cousins having athleticism to build on where Monroe has none means he will likely become a much better defender than Monroe.. Wes Johnson had more blocks than Monroe this season while playing fewer minutes.. This guy is flat out nailed to the floor, doesn't have the tools to ever become an above average defender. If our plans are to go after Love next summer like we keep hearing, choosing Monroe as the big to pair with him will be a disaster.


In what reality are we getting Love? The only reality that we are getting him is by trading for him and without assets that isn't happening. How many times to we need to watch players choose money over destination? How many times do we need to see them drop the Lakers name to get the league motivated to find them the money?

Love in FA is pipe..... now.... if we get the best player available for the least money this offseason and get a good pick we can trade them for Love next year at the deadline. The best player available is Monroe this offseason and even at 13.7M he would be a very tradable asset.

Your assessment of Monroe in comparison to Cousins is based solely on athleticism and I think even at that they are closer than you make it out. What you leave out is attitude and understanding of the game. Monroe has made small strides each year and is a underrated passer from the high post and can finish the pick and roll very well. He's also a very good rebounder on the offensive end. Straight up I'd take him over Cousins and wouldn't look back. A Players value is more than stats and athleticism.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:44 pm

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therealdeal wrote:I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.

This is true, Jefferson is pretty bad too, his elite offensive game makes up for it but we're talking about defense here so I can't argue that.. Cousins isn't a great or even good defender yet but he has much more impact on that side than Monroe does at this point.. & with both being young guys, Cousins having athleticism to build on where Monroe has none means he will likely become a much better defender than Monroe.. Wes Johnson had more blocks than Monroe this season while playing fewer minutes.. This guy is flat out nailed to the floor, doesn't have the tools to ever become an above average defender. If our plans are to go after Love next summer like we keep hearing, choosing Monroe as the big to pair with him will be a disaster.

Who says you have to be an athlete to be a good defender? Marc Gasol isn't athletic. Neither is Roy Hibbert. Total Marc and Roy have more blocks than Monroe, but Monroe has more steals than either of them. He might not be able to get off the ground without a running start, but he has GREAT hands.

You don't have to be a great athlete to be a great defender, you just have to be dedicated to that end of the floor and that starts with coaching. if D'Antoni is our coach for another year then Monroe is definitely not worth the money, but I'd spend the cash on him for sure.
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Postby karacha on Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:54 pm

Artest and Bowen were not great athletes, but they were known as top defenders. They had good defensive IQ and quick hands. Having good strength can't hurt either.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:16 am

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therealdeal wrote:I'd argue that Jefferson is a terrible defender. Cousins has the tools to be a good defender, but even now he fouls too often.

Your hate for Monroe is starting to make less sense as the numbers come out.

This is true, Jefferson is pretty bad too, his elite offensive game makes up for it but we're talking about defense here so I can't argue that.. Cousins isn't a great or even good defender yet but he has much more impact on that side than Monroe does at this point.. & with both being young guys, Cousins having athleticism to build on where Monroe has none means he will likely become a much better defender than Monroe.. Wes Johnson had more blocks than Monroe this season while playing fewer minutes.. This guy is flat out nailed to the floor, doesn't have the tools to ever become an above average defender. If our plans are to go after Love next summer like we keep hearing, choosing Monroe as the big to pair with him will be a disaster.

Who says you have to be an athlete to be a good defender? Marc Gasol isn't athletic. Neither is Roy Hibbert. Total Marc and Roy have more blocks than Monroe, but Monroe has more steals than either of them. He might not be able to get off the ground without a running start, but he has GREAT hands.

You don't have to be a great athlete to be a great defender, you just have to be dedicated to that end of the floor and that starts with coaching. if D'Antoni is our coach for another year then Monroe is definitely not worth the money, but I'd spend the cash on him for sure.

The odds of Monroe developing into the best position defender in the league like Marc about as good as the chances of him growing to be Hibbert's size. Marc spent his entire career working on defensive fundamentals, Monroe is heading into his 3rd season & would be coming here to a coach that believes offense is the best defense.. By the time we have him learning from a good defensive coach you're talking about a 5th year player who is who he's going to be. He could still improve on that end given a great defensive coach but it's not probable enough to be building an argument.

Roo.. I respect your opinion on most things but I'm not going to quote & give a serious response to a post that says you'd take Monroe over Cousins.. Taking a best case 3rd option over a franchise player, I won't be able to reason with you.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:25 am

I'm one of Cousins's biggest defenders on this site, but I can't believe that Monroe is within 100 miles of being the problem Cousins is. I simply don't trust Cousins to keep it cool and stay on the court.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:49 am

trodgers wrote:I'm one of Cousins's biggest defenders on this site, but I can't believe that Monroe is within 100 miles of being the problem Cousins is. I simply don't trust Cousins to keep it cool and stay on the court.

He's a headcase sure but he's still a franchise player.. I don't see any way to justify giving a max contract to a 3rd option like Monroe over a franchise player like Cousins. If Monroe was going to be making 7-8M it would be a different story, but it's going to take his max (13.7M) or very close to it for us to be the highest bidders for him & prevent Detroit from matching.. You can't spend that kind of money on a 3rd option in this new CBA & expect to get anywhere. The guys making the big $ have to be the guys that can carry the team.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:54 am

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trodgers wrote:I'm one of Cousins's biggest defenders on this site, but I can't believe that Monroe is within 100 miles of being the problem Cousins is. I simply don't trust Cousins to keep it cool and stay on the court.

He's a headcase sure but he's still a franchise player.. I don't see any way to justify giving a max contract to a 3rd option like Monroe over a franchise player like Cousins. If Monroe was going to be making 7-8M it would be a different story, but it's going to take his max (13.7M) or very close to it for us to be the highest bidders for him & prevent Detroit from matching.. You can't spend that kind of money on a 3rd option in this new CBA & expect to get anywhere. The guys making the big $ have to be the guys that can carry the team.


Maybe.... But 2 things. First, getting players that we can realistically get like Monroe over waiting it out for the hope of getting a 5% shot that the stars align and we get a guy like Love. Monroe is a tradable asset and that's more valuable than cash in the new CBA.

Second.... Cousins is a Fantasy franchise player but in no way will he ever be one in the NBA. You can't center a team on a guy like him. Sac is no better with him than they were without him.... Getting 2/3 the player for 25% less cost is far better than associating the Lakers with this guy..... I'll take a third option that has the right attitude and maturity over a guy like Cousins who has talent but little else.
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Re: Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:53 pm

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LakersN4 wrote:
trodgers wrote:I'm one of Cousins's biggest defenders on this site, but I can't believe that Monroe is within 100 miles of being the problem Cousins is. I simply don't trust Cousins to keep it cool and stay on the court.

He's a headcase sure but he's still a franchise player.. I don't see any way to justify giving a max contract to a 3rd option like Monroe over a franchise player like Cousins. If Monroe was going to be making 7-8M it would be a different story, but it's going to take his max (13.7M) or very close to it for us to be the highest bidders for him & prevent Detroit from matching.. You can't spend that kind of money on a 3rd option in this new CBA & expect to get anywhere. The guys making the big $ have to be the guys that can carry the team.


Maybe.... But 2 things. First, getting players that we can realistically get like Monroe over waiting it out for the hope of getting a 5% shot that the stars align and we get a guy like Love. Monroe is a tradable asset and that's more valuable than cash in the new CBA.

Second.... Cousins is a Fantasy franchise player but in no way will he ever be one in the NBA. You can't center a team on a guy like him. Sac is no better with him than they were without him.... Getting 2/3 the player for 25% less cost is far better than associating the Lakers with this guy..... I'll take a third option that has the right attitude and maturity over a guy like Cousins who has talent but little else.

We don't need to wait for Love, we can get a much better player than either Monroe or Love in Melo this summer.
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