Pau Discussion: Pau-dini escapes another trade deadline!

Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:54 pm

therealdeal wrote:I have a strong feeling those two are on the Lakers radar in a big way. I think they'll try to get them regardless of the situation, whether it's now or in two years, but if they could get one now it'd be a best case scenario.

Maybe you're right about moving him asap. Who knows though? All I know is that if they move him for someone short term like a Kyle Lowry or something I'd be pretty upset. If they settle for a young PG and they don't get a pick or something in return, they need to just sit on him and let him expire.


Those 2 will be Lakers IMO. If Melo comes too, even better. That said, I don't see a trade out there that is worth it for the other party. Boston is not trading Rondo until he gives up on playing with below average role players. It's not like they are signing any superstar this summer so they might as well wait until Rondo expires. Minny, stupidly, thinks Love wants to be there if they start winning. Bad logic. Both want to be on a contender and both would relish playing in LA.

I just don't see a Pau trade out there unless it's for 2-3 good parts but nothing great.

Our best move is to get a high pick this year and then build through free agency.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wallangong on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:57 pm

i could see us going for a PG if the deal included Blake or there was some sort of follow up deal. i know we have a lot of point guards right now, but if somehow Rondo is available you think they pass it up? not a chance.

and if we get someone like Rondo, obviously Nash moves to the bench. if they believe he's only capable of about 20mpg, then he assumes a Steve Kerr type role with more playmaking ability.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby HighlyFavored on Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:25 pm

Sam Amico at it again with his lies about the Lakers I see.... :man10:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Perfect. I'm sure trade rumors like this starting to fly already will do wonders for Gasol and Farmar's esprit de corps. Per Webster that's, "the common spirit existing in the members of a group and inspiring enthusiasm, devotion, and strong regard for the honor of the group". Really makes both of them want to bust their a$$ for the Lakers thinking the club thinks neither of them is viable going forward.

If this squad doesn't get a chance to play and compete this season with Gasol here, Mt Bryant is going to erupt, after busting his a$$ to get back. Regardless of what anyone here or anywhere else thinks, this is NOT a throw away season to Kobe.

Hate this crap. If the F.O. really is worried about Nash going into the season then hang onto DJO as well. But right now we do not need another effing point guard.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Pig Miller on Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:26 pm

1) you move him asap if you can get something of value
2) no one is giving away a young stud PG for a 33 year old big man, who is on the last year of his contract.
3) i'm confident that he and kobe have already talked about taking massive pay cuts, despite what they may say in the media. they both want another shot at a title, they know making $50M between the 2 of them is not a winning formula

with all that said, i don't think pau goes anywhere this season.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby jlkr on Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:21 pm

Agreed that not going to get a young stud for Pau. Even Rondo is a stretch.

Best that can be hoped for is a bundle of contracts for decent players which include least one or two whom the Lakers think are undervalued and could blossom under their guidance. Wes Johnson style players...

Otherwise no trade, not worth it to trade Pau for the sake of trading: better to let him expire then let him go or bring him back for much cheaper if he still wants in.

My guess: unless Mitch pulls off the third Pau miracle trade, he's still a Laker at season's end.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:56 pm

Pau is gone after this year anyway.... If you have even a remote chance to fix the PG position for the next 6 years you jump at it.

The Pau people remember doesn't exist anymore. age is a female dog and it affects bigs faster than the rest. He's still very good but as good as he is this team isn't going anywhere with or without him. He will definitely be gone next year as someone will overpay and we need to look to the future.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Pig Miller on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:05 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Pau is gone after this year anyway.... If you have even a remote chance to fix the PG position for the next 6 years you jump at it.

The Pau people remember doesn't exist anymore. age is a female dog and it affects bigs faster than the rest. He's still very good but as good as he is this team isn't going anywhere with or without him. He will definitely be gone next year as someone will overpay and we need to look to the future.


if he was still on the team at the end of the year, i'd try to bring him back as a backup C (first big man off the bench guy).

aside from that, i just don't see any team willing to take on pau and give up a PG that will be good over the next 6 years. i'd be willing to take a viable starting SF and a sharp shooter .
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:51 pm

Pig Miller wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Pau is gone after this year anyway.... If you have even a remote chance to fix the PG position for the next 6 years you jump at it.

The Pau people remember doesn't exist anymore. age is a female dog and it affects bigs faster than the rest. He's still very good but as good as he is this team isn't going anywhere with or without him. He will definitely be gone next year as someone will overpay and we need to look to the future.


if he was still on the team at the end of the year, i'd try to bring him back as a backup C (first big man off the bench guy).

aside from that, i just don't see any team willing to take on pau and give up a PG that will be good over the next 6 years. i'd be willing to take a viable starting SF and a sharp shooter .


I can see that from an "on court" perspective but you need look no further than the circumstances by which we got him in the first place to see that he has value in other ways.

You just never know.

I would assume we would get the player we want and one we don't to make it happen.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:08 pm

Pig Miller wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Pau is gone after this year anyway.... If you have even a remote chance to fix the PG position for the next 6 years you jump at it.

The Pau people remember doesn't exist anymore. age is a female dog and it affects bigs faster than the rest. He's still very good but as good as he is this team isn't going anywhere with or without him. He will definitely be gone next year as someone will overpay and we need to look to the future.


if he was still on the team at the end of the year, i'd try to bring him back as a backup C (first big man off the bench guy).

aside from that, i just don't see any team willing to take on pau and give up a PG that will be good over the next 6 years. i'd be willing to take a viable starting SF and a sharp shooter .


I don't think Pau is as good as gone this off season unless a quality big man is available during FA or we use the cap space in full (Bron and Melo- won't happen).

If Pau can produce at a high level and is willing to take a one year deal, then he's worth bringing back as a stop gap guy until the summer of 15 comes when you can replace him with some combo of
Love, M.Gasol, Hibbert, Aldridge, Rondo. If all else fails and it seems like OKC is going nowhere fast, I'd expect us to happily hold our space til 2016 to go all in on Durant.

As for this season, Pau has a ton of value to us, IF we are trying to win games. Unless there is some robbery of a trade, which we are known for, I think he helps us win games in a way very few players can which is from the inside out. Adding Rondo sets up the future but our team would be pitiful to watch.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:16 am

Why are we talking about trading Pau...Dwight is gone why would we move Pau? Rondo and Love are not coming for Pau we're gonna let him expire no reason to move him anymore
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:20 am

I think Pau will stay and expire, and if we don't sign better players, maybe be re-signed for a lot less money unless he wants more to play elsewhere, because IMO some teams will still pay him a lot. He's still the same Pau of the last few seasons, good on offense, poor on defense, and aging.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:43 am

GoldenKnight wrote:Why are we talking about trading Pau...Dwight is gone why would we move Pau? Rondo and Love are not coming for Pau we're gonna let him expire no reason to move him anymore


Trading him brings in more value than signing someone this offseason. The CBA limits teams from getting top tier FA with the current "Max" arrangement. Trading 19 million for a top tier player is a lot more than we will get by letting him expire and going into the FA market where players all get raises.

Letting him expire, if we have alternatives, is not very smart. The composition of this years team is not that important in the big picture of getting back to the top again..... soon.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lotus on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:52 am

They already let howard go with nothing in return. They can't just let Pau go with nothing in return. That's letting $40million in assets out the door with no investment in the future other than lowering the salary cap. Other teams, like houston, are getting gifts from the Lakers. I still contend that you have to trade him this year for the next piece of our future.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:17 am

I'd move him for a couple solid role players, whose contracts expire after next season. Realistically, we aren't going to sign 7-8 players that can actually contribute in a 8 man rotation. That would be very hard to do and require a lot of luck.

We have a crap ton of cap room, with the chances of only snagging one "top" FA. I'd get the role player pieces now for Pau, so that when FA comes around after this season, we can try and snag the missing piece, instead of trying to build the puzzle from scratch.

And if that team doesn't work out next year, all those players acquired will expire and we can start over and try to snag the real prize, 2015 FA class of actual unrestricted FA.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:23 am

Rooscooter wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:Why are we talking about trading Pau...Dwight is gone why would we move Pau? Rondo and Love are not coming for Pau we're gonna let him expire no reason to move him anymore


Trading him brings in more value than signing someone this offseason. The CBA limits teams from getting top tier FA with the current "Max" arrangement. Trading 19 million for a top tier player is a lot more than we will get by letting him expire and going into the FA market where players all get raises.

Letting him expire, if we have alternatives, is not very smart. The composition of this years team is not that important in the big picture of getting back to the top again..... soon.


That's what I'm thinking as well at least in theory. However, it all depends on who we can actually get for Pau. We need at least one of the guys coming back to be a great piece for the future. Otherwise just let him expire.
Just don't move him to move him. We need someone excellent in return. Just not sure who that guy would be.

In dreamland, I agree with you and real deal, I'd probably want Rondo. I like the fact that he'd shore up the backcourt defense in a huge way, and he doesn't need to score to be effective. I could actually see a guy like Rondo being a great match with Kobe and even Melo, possibly. If you have two scorers, bring in a superb penetrating and passing PG who plays world class D. Not that I'm advocating going after Melo. But Rondo could actually help us get back to contending status a whole lot faster than a ton of other players. Pair him up with one other great player and Kobe, and I like it.

The problem is Boston. Why would they do that trade? They'd have to be done with Rondo or vice versa. Not sure they are there yet. Maybe by the deadline? :man12:
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Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:46 am

Talking of trading Pau sickens me. All the guy's done is help us to three straight title appearances and been a model of class and dignity amidst all the trade rumors. At least let the man play his last year in LA drama-free.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:55 am

Lakerjones wrote:The problem is Boston. Why would they do that trade? They'd have to be done with Rondo or vice versa. Not sure they are there yet. Maybe by the deadline? :man12:

Trading now doesn't seem likely for either side, but at the deadline if Nash continues looking like he won't be able to contribute and if the Celtics aren't doing what they want to do I can see the talks resurfacing.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Uncle Drew on Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:23 am

Pau is ranked as 29. best player in NBA by BSPN, that's a huge drop from last year when he was at number 15, but this is new healthy year, he is way better than that, he can prove that.

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:45 am

Uncle Drew wrote:Pau is ranked as 29. best player in NBA by BSPN, that's a huge drop from last year when he was at number 15, but this is new healthy year, he is way better than that, he can prove that.

Pau Gasol is one of five players in NBA history to average at least 13 points, seven rebounds and two assists per game in each of their first 12 seasons. The other four are Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elgin Baylor, Tim Duncan and Chris Webber.


What does the last 12 years have to do with this season, his expiring contract and the fact he's going to be a free agent next year have to do with anything. He's a HOF Center based on that 12 years. He's one of the most skilled bigs to every play but he's also our only trade asset that can help the Lakers return to where we should be. To not investigate any and all opportunities to trade him for the future based on what he's done in the past is not the smartest thing we've done.

If, by some chance, we can land a guy like Rondo or another guy of that quality we have to do it IMHO.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LooN3y on Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:39 pm

lakers have no leverage with pau, everyone knows we're trying to get rid of him. for the past 3 years theyve been knowing.


unless a team gets really desperate, or a love or rondo really wants to leave, we're not getting anything in return that would be of equal value.



but than again its hard to believe rondo of all is going to stay in boston, why waste your prime years for virtually no chance of a ring in the near future.

lol be a celtic for life? look at PP, dude got shipped out in the end rather than retiring a celtic. doesnt even look like a good option.


lol if kobe got shipped like PP did, thered be riots in the streets


edit: on a side note, lets say we get rondo, people are gonna be furious when hes not gonna be hitting his J's especially off a kobe double team.

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Even Hakeem was traded. Just to put some loyalty into perspective for the NBA Business.

That's all it is. A business. If the deal makes us better, Mitch wouldn't second guess it.

Rondo/Love/etc...it's a no brainer.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:18 pm

Not the least bit interested in trading Pau for a guy like Lowry, but if we're talking Rondo I'm listening.. Our defensive nightmares at PG end the day Rondo puts on the purple & gold.. No he doesn't have a jumper but neither did J-Kidd.. He's one of the best passers in the game & he plays with more intensity than almost any other star player & is a great rebounder at PG ala J-Kidd.. Really love the idea of Rondo next to Kobe.. Obviously we'd have to find a way to add more firepower in the frontcourt but I think we can atleast find some stopgaps until Love comes to join Rondo & KB24.

Lots of interesting what if's involving Nash/Blake/Farmar/the hole left behind by Pau. I think Kaman was a great signing regardless but he'll be a solid Pau replacement especially for the $. Hopefully that wouldn't be the only deal & we shed some guards for another solid frontcourt player.. I hope they don't think it's Landry.

This might be 1 positive of Dwight leaving.. We don't have to worry about having him & Rondo both bricking FT's in our starting lineup.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lotus on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:34 pm

LooN3y wrote:lakers have no leverage with pau, everyone knows we're trying to get rid of him. for the past 3 years theyve been knowing...

The leverage is a $19M expiring contract. It speaks.for itself to the team that needs it. Since we are running this guard dominated offense, Rondo would be a good choice. The Lakers just need to take a good look at him the early part of this season to make sure his knee is not an issue, then pull the trigger.

Nash teaches Rondo the finer points of the offense the rest of the way, then he can retire or become a player coach his final year. Point guard problem solved.

Keep Swaggy P at 2 guard to learn from Kobe. Cap space allows upgrades at other positions, then you have a true contender all within 2 years.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:44 pm

lotus wrote:
LooN3y wrote:lakers have no leverage with pau, everyone knows we're trying to get rid of him. for the past 3 years theyve been knowing...

The leverage is a $19M expiring contract. It speaks.for itself to the team that needs it. Since we are running this guard dominated offense, Rondo would be a good choice. The Lakers just need to take a good look at him the early part of this season to make sure his knee is not an issue, then pull the trigger.

Nash teaches Rondo the finer points of the offense the rest of the way, then he can retire or become a player coach his final year. Point guard problem solved.

Keep Swaggy P at 2 guard to learn from Kobe. Cap space allows upgrades at other positions, then you have a true contender all within 2 years.


^^ I'm thinking along these lines as well. Rondo solves a lot of problems and pair him up with 1 more guy in FA alongside Kobe plus some other bench cats who want to be here like Farmar, Young, Kaman, Henry and Williams and you might just have another shot.
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