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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 09, 2013 3:24 pm

dj vitus wrote:Nash with epidurals, Gasol with baby ultrasounds... what has this world come to? :freak2:

:man10: so true
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Rooscooter on Thu May 09, 2013 4:25 pm

Surgery success?.... Did the install a pair?
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby bnr034 on Thu May 09, 2013 7:14 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Surgery success?.... Did the install a pair?

he needs more than a pair :man10:
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby JSM on Thu May 09, 2013 8:58 pm

Mark Medina of the LA Daily News wrote:This is the fourth in a series grading the Lakers’ efforts on their 2012-13 season.

Player: Pau Gasol, Lakers forward

How he performed: 13.7 points on 46.6 percent shooting and 8.6 rebounds in regular season; 14 points on 48.1 precent shooting and 9.8 rebounds in playoffs

The Good:Gasol proved that he’s still an elite player if the Lakers feature him correctly. In the last seven games of the regular season, Gasol posted three triple doubles. His 17.6 points per game average represented his highest scoring output whenever he and Dwight Howard played together in the starting lineup. All this happened because the Lakers featured Gasol on the low block instead of as a stretch forward. Such a move allowed Gasol both to facilitate out of double teams to Kobe Bryant for jumpers and Dwight Howard for lobs. It also put Gasol in a better position to play the roll man off pick-and-rolls plays, where he scored 48.9 percent of the time, according to Synergy Sports. And though Gasol didn’t always thrive well in the post (shooting 42.2 percent from the field), that strategy still boded superior than to shooting spot-up jumpers (40.6 percent).

More importantly, Gasol handled his demoted role with enough professionalism and grace. He openly disagreed with playing as a reserve for six games and for playing as a stretch forward. But he didn’t let that sour any of his effort. As a bench player, Gasol still 13.1 points on 53 percent shooting through seven games. Such an attitude led Kobe Bryant to vouch more strongly than in seasons past for the Lakers to feature him more in his comfort zone. It also helped Lakers coach Mike D’Antoni eventually change his sentiments on how to utilize Gasol. That’s why it’s hardly surprising Gasol left the final minutes of the Lakers’ Game 4 loss to San Antonio to a standing ovation from the Staples Center crowd.


The Bad: After showing renewed confidence and prolific play in the 2012 London Olympics, it appeared Gasol could carry that momentum into the 2012-13 season. Hardly. Gasol appeared limited by his conditioning partly because of the numerous injuries that inflicted him including knee tendinitis and a torn plantar fascia in his right foot. Those issues only exacerbated Gasol’s inconsistency both with his jumper and on defense. Even if Gasol would’ve thrived better with a different role, D’Antoni’s decision partly stemmed from Gasol laboring up and down the court. Gasol and Nash also failed to establish enough consistent chemistry, something that initially appeared a given considering their team-first mindset.

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C+ Gasol had plenty of obstacles thrown at him, including injuries and a demoted role. He still fought through them, but it wasn’t enough to show many glimpses of his former self when he guided the Lakers to two consecutive NBA championships.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby The Rock on Sun May 12, 2013 2:11 pm

For discussion's sake lets talk about Pau's legacy

Top 10 PF all time?

Also if Bosh gets a title this year does that mean Bosh > Pau? More all star games, 2 titles, 1 gold medal more all star appearances await but Pau will never become one again
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 12, 2013 2:18 pm

^^Pau has only been a PF for a little more than 1/3 of his career. Not sure you can lump his time at that position up there with some of the ones that played that position for 10 to 15 years.

He's definitely one of the most talented and gifted bigs to ever play. His inability to play the physical game has been his largest issue IMO. He overcame it for a couple of years but it's obvious that it isn't a natural way for him to play. Also, being pushed to the PF spot has made him sacrifice (or differ depending on your point of view) quite a bit.

He's been slowed by injury and age.... don't know if can get it back or not. Unfortunately for us he's the only asset we have and we have great need.

I'd say he's up there with the second tier of all time PF/C's of all time. Not a Duncan or Kareem that's for sure....
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby The Rock on Sun May 12, 2013 2:24 pm

I mean he switched between PF & C but hes widely regarded as a PF. Thats how hes been designated in All star ballots and All NBA teams.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Weezy on Sun May 12, 2013 2:53 pm

It's an interesting debate, I think Pau in his prime > Bosh though. Pau's played 12 seasons, been to the playoffs 9 times, Bosh has played 10 seasons, been there 5. Pau's never won a playoff game without Kobe, Bosh won a few in Toronto as the man I believe. On the other hand, has Bosh won a title as the 2nd star? No, Pau's won 2, Bosh is most likely about to win his 2nd as a 3rd guy. Also, did Bosh win a gold medal as the star of team USA? No, he was a piece, Pau has won a FIBA world championship and Eurobasket championship as the MVP, the star and leader of his team, and got them 2 silver medals in close games as again, the star and leader of his team. Where he ranks all time, what Roos said, second tier guy, was never the man on a title team or anything close to it in the NBA. So compared to other NBA bigs he is to me, outside of the elite, but he was still extremely skilled and won the 2 titles as a 2nd star, and had been a consistently great player in the league for years. All-Star appearances don't mean a ton to me on his résumé.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun May 12, 2013 9:07 pm

Pau is defitiely better than a prime Bosh. No questions about it. Pau brings more to the table with his passing and can still hit the mid-range game with great consistency in this "prime" years. Plus Pau's touch around the basket is far better than Bosh's every will be.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby The Rock on Mon May 13, 2013 11:52 am

There were a few series in 2011 and 2012 where Bosh was the 2nd leading scorer on the team...also the Celtics would've eliminated the Heat if Bosh didn't come back, he provides the floor spacing and defensive mobility to help out Wade and Lebron. He was phenomenal as their 3rd best player last year and they won a title...cant say that for Pau who cant adjust while Bosh had adjusted to his new role

And so far in 2013 playoffs Bosh has been the Heat's 2nd best player. Hes been terrific vs Chicago's elite frontcourt Defense (2011...23 pts, 7.6rebs 60% FG...2013 Game 3 win 20pts/19 rebs)
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Weezy on Mon May 13, 2013 11:59 am

You're comparing an old Pau to a prime Bosh when you're saying Pau "can't adjust". I don't deny that Bosh is playing great right now, and that he was major in their title and of course it's a fact that he was their 2nd leading scorer for a few series. That's a few series though, it's not an entire season, an entire playoffs, or 2 Finals in a row doing that. So yeah, Bosh is very good, but IMO prime Pau was better. It's not just scoring, it's passing, boarding, hell even defense, because while you don't think of d when it comes to Pau, during our 2 titles he stepped up and played some serious defense, he pretty much shut down Dwight for most of the Finals.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby kenzo on Mon May 13, 2013 12:42 pm

Prime Pau > Prime Dino. End of story.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 20, 2013 7:08 pm

I am a fan of Bosh and have said I believe he is the main reason Miami has a ring right now. That being said, he is not on the level of Pau. I know Lakers fans are all pissy at him but we seriously undervalue this guys game especially in his prime.

It seems like Kobe is expecting Pau is as good as gone too.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby lakersin4 on Mon May 20, 2013 7:44 pm

If Miami got Pau instead of Bosh they'd be working on a 3peat right now & probably pull it off. Then again, with a great post player like Pau, would Lebron have had to develop his post game as much? If Lebron still goes through the same transformation, that team is unguardable.
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Postby Finwë on Tue May 21, 2013 8:20 am

lakersin4 wrote:If Miami got Pau instead of Bosh they'd be working on a 3peat right now & probably pull it off. Then again, with a great post player like Pau, would Lebron have had to develop his post game as much? If Lebron still goes through the same transformation, that team is unguardable.

I can't say I agree.. Pau hasn't been good these past few years, especially on the defensive end, which is where Miami has made the difference a bunch of games... With slow a** Pau "rotating" and "helping" instead of a Way more athletic Bosh, their D would be much weaker.
Also, Miami's offense works on spacing, and Bosh's mid-range and even 3pt shooting helps a lot. Pau's shooting from mid-range and further has been VERY inconsistent, and would detriment the mentioned spacing. With Pau not commanding bigs to come out, LeBron and Wade would have a much more clogged lane blocking their drives than they do now..
I don't think he can be a consistent post-up scorer either... He hasn't looked decisive or strong on the block for a while now, with very rare exceptions..
Gotta keep in mind Pau's health issues too btw.
They'd gain some passing, maybe some rebounding, but they'd lose a lot on the defensive end, and their offense wouldn't even get better IMO (could actually get worse with less spacing).
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue May 21, 2013 8:57 am

Prime Pau is definetely better but we are in 2013 ... and no Miami wouldn't be better with the current version of Pau than with Bosh ... spacing killer on O and way too slow to be a factor within Heat defensive schemes
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby purp n gold on Tue May 21, 2013 12:25 pm

I think he'll be our starting center come season's start. Rest up, Pau.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 21, 2013 12:39 pm

Well, if Dwight walks we might as well go into rebuild mode.

Trade Pau get a pick and a few contracts, but save some cap space.

So, with Dwight walking and Pau being traded to receive back ~10M, we'd be only a few mil into luxury tax threshold.

Then amnesty MWP. We're looking at being below $70M at this point. If we could move Nash for better options or even some cap space, we're looking ok.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue May 21, 2013 1:27 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Well, if Dwight walks we might as well go into rebuild mode.

Trade Pau get a pick and a few contracts, but save some cap space.

So, with Dwight walking and Pau being traded to receive back ~10M, we'd be only a few mil into luxury tax threshold.

Then amnesty MWP. We're looking at being below $70M at this point. If we could move Nash for better options or even some cap space, we're looking ok.


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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 21, 2013 2:26 pm

What is Kobe going to say? No, keep Pau and let him expire for no assets so that when I play 20-30 games this season we can secure the #1 seed in the West and win a championship?

As far as the Lakers are concerned, Kobe is not a Laker beyond next season. That could very well change (and I hope it does), but for now, the future of the team is the #1 priority, especially given his Achilles tendon. Trading Pau is the best way to start the process given our lack of young players, cap space, and picks.

You're telling me if Dwight walks we still keep the rest of the core together and pay another year of luxury tax for a guaranteed non-contender?
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Lakerjones on Tue May 21, 2013 4:07 pm

Chillbongo wrote:What is Kobe going to say? No, keep Pau and let him expire for no assets so that when I play 20-30 games this season we can secure the #1 seed in the West and win a championship?

As far as the Lakers are concerned, Kobe is not a Laker beyond next season. That could very well change (and I hope it does), but for now, the future of the team is the #1 priority, especially given his Achilles tendon. Trading Pau is the best way to start the process given our lack of young players, cap space, and picks.

You're telling me if Dwight walks we still keep the rest of the core together and pay another year of luxury tax for a guaranteed non-contender?


If Dwight leaves that's 50 some million off our luxury tax bill. Just saying. Amnesty Artest and that's another 30.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 21, 2013 4:32 pm

Right, but why not move Pau at that point as well? He's not a #1 option, he's not a defensive presence, and if we can move him for some youth, a role player, and a pick...why not?

I am one of the biggest Pau supporters on this board but if Dwight walks now, given Kobe's injury, we are not close to contending next year.

We only keep Pau if this FAST procedure is a Pau Gasol time machine.
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon May 27, 2013 9:04 am

Following a frustrating season that ended with a first-round sweep at the hands of the San Antonio Spurs, the Los Angeles Lakers have a big summer ahead of them. Much of what happens revolves around whether or not Dwight Howard re-signs, and Pau Gasol is hoping that the center's decision comes sooner rather than later.

Gasol told USA Today's Sam Amick that he understands Howard's desire to play the free-agent game, but it would be nice if he didn't keep the Lakers waiting too long:

"Dwight is looking at his options, and there's nothing wrong with that, I guess," Pau said. "I'm not him. I'm not in his position, but I guess it all starts with his decision and I'm sure the franchise is waiting to see whether he decides to sign (with the Lakers) or sign with somebody else, I guess."

Gasol's future with the Lakers is uncertain as well, with his status possibly hinging on Howard's decision. While Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak and injured star Kobe Bryant have both expressed interest in bringing the whole band back together for one more year, there's a chance that Gasol will be gone to lessen the tax burden if Howard decides to come back. Gasol is set to earn $19.3 million next season, and bringing everybody back would mean a payroll upwards of $100 million and a tax hit of over $70 million.

Gasol fully realizes that his future may depend on Howard, even if he would not come out and say that specifically:

"Obviously from the team's standpoint, the sooner Dwight makes his decision the better," Pau said. "And as players and teammates too (it's better), because in a way, I don't know - there's certain things that depend on his decision, right? Probably. I don't know what percentage (it factors in), or to what extent, but to some extent, yes."

For now, Gasol is not going to worry about the situation, instead focusing on the play of his younger brother, Marc. Marc's Memphis Grizzlies are down 3-0 to the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals, but Pau is still proud of all the success his brother has had.


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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:20 pm

Thank you Phil Jackson first off.

Thank you Pau Gasol for blocking Ray Allen all those times to give Lakers fans reason to celebrate.

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