Doc Brown wrote:And then if this is true, what is the point in bringing back MDA? They obviously can't run his offense, so what exactly is he doing besides collecting a check?
C0TT0NCANDY wrote:Legendary wrote:lol...
If Pau isn't traded this summer...it's clear as day the FO has their sights on making big moves the following off-season.
Anyone trying to argue that we have a chance at doing ANYTHING of relevance with Pau as a major piece next season, is delusional.
Problem is the 2014 plan is gonna be the same as the 2005 plan...... nothing of substance is gonna come out of that off-season.... the Lakers need to react now and stop wasting there time.
slimjim wrote:If you can realistically show me a player/package that can compete next season with kobe. I'd love to hear it and discuss.
Who is this magical player/package we are going to trade Pau for?
Legendary wrote:I just hope that Heisler piece was a smokescreen...
Alleyhoops wrote:Pending physical exams, Chicago will send Derrick Rose's nuclear contract to the Lakers for Pau's expiring. Would L.A. be crazy enough to entertain that trade? Rose has more than worn out his welcome in Chicago. But if he's 100% healthy, do you consider it?
Doc Brown wrote:
1.) Why is that you dog MDA about not preaching defense and how he is all about offense, but when you talk about Pau it's all about his offense and not his defense? D12 and Pau don't work on defense and that's what kills us. Shrugs never rotates, gets lost in rotations and can't keep anyone in front of him on the pick and roll. His defense costs us games more than his offense wins us games. Before this gets put onto coaching, which it inevitably will, Pau's defense has been terrible for years and he has been shrugging ever since the Phil/Bynum days. Pau and D12 don't work defensively because it takes two people playing defense and one of them plays zero of it. Pau will put up his inefficient offense and feed D12 and it "works", but how no one looks at the defense end to see how much they don't work together is beyond me. This will inevitably get back to coaching and Memphis will get brought up, but that doesn't relate to Pau's defense the last 3 years.
Punk-101 wrote:I agree with this 1million% Doc (refer to my sig for god's sake), but let me play devil's advocate. Carlos Boozer, a terrible defensive PF in Thib's system alongside a fantastic defensive center in Noah can somehow produce elite team defense. Is Boozer a better defender than Pau suddenly? Would Pau suck it up in chicago? Could Thib's fix our defense with this roster with Pau?
Weezy wrote:Alleyhoops wrote:Pending physical exams, Chicago will send Derrick Rose's nuclear contract to the Lakers for Pau's expiring. Would L.A. be crazy enough to entertain that trade? Rose has more than worn out his welcome in Chicago. But if he's 100% healthy, do you consider it?
Is that a joke? I'd trade Pau for even the possibility of Rose close to what he was in a second. Even if he ended up retiring and I could go back and choose whether to do it or not I still would, because we'd be rid of Pau's contract and it would still have been low risk high reward. Why would Chicago trade Rose though, he's their star, their hometown kid? I don't see a worn out welcome, I see him coming back next season just fine. And for Pau? Why would they want another Boozer?
Vasashi17 wrote:Doc: We all agree that Pau has declined. Not once have I said let's extend him past 2014. So obviously I'm looking at this as short term (which it is). We all saw a great defensive player in Dwight and what injuries can do. So injuries is something to note and as I said in my post, he needs to get right this summer. If he comes back correct, maybe he looks like his sibling..maybe he goes back to his Griz days...and at the very least, maybe he can move like Boozer so that a great coach can better utilize our frontline as Thibs and Hollins have done with their frontline. BTW: out all the active players in the NBA, Gasol is 39th for his career in defensive rating. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_active.html Obviously, he's been off as of late, but if we need to bear with him for one more year, then go get healthy this summer and lets see what could happen.
In terms of 2014, you have to believe that players who have an ETO in their contract, put it there for a reason. We've seen how Bron played the old CBA to maximize his dollar, while also sacrificing just enough to sport a contender. He's going to do it again in 2014. He can stand to make more by opting out and signing a new max type deal. Obviously Miami can give him more, but getting a 4 year deal as opposed to a 5 year deal allows him to become a free agent for one last big deal when he's 33-34 as opposed to 3-4-35. And if you look at the players that have an ETO, they are pretty much all thinking the same thing. You got Bron, Carmelo and Wall all a possibility and if the possibility is there, you don't muck it up with role players via Pau Gasol's contract.