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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:23 pm

I think we'll start hearing the Pau rumors right around the time we meet with D12.
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Postby Weezy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:46 pm

Original source is Lakers Nation, so there's always a chance this is fake, but if true it's funny, I laughed, Pau has a good sense of humor

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/07/pau-gasol-hopes-lakers-put-up-billboards-for-him-like-dwight-howard/

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Pau Gasol Hopes Lakers Put Up Billboards for Him Like Dwight Howard


Desperate for his return, the Los Angeles Lakers have reduced themselves to begging free agent center Dwight Howard to re-sign with the team, and he might still end up leaving. Pau Gasol, whose contract expires next summer, is hoping for similar public displays of affection from the team (though he doubts that will happen). Per Catalunya Radio, via Lakers Nation: “When asked about how his future will be affected if Dwight Howard re-signs, Gasol doesn’t believe the Lakers will automatically trade or amnesty him, but acknowledged that those chances would increase:

‘I don’t think that Howard re-signing with the Lakers puts me out of the team for sure, but I guess the chances would grow. I know the Lakers are pushing hard trying to keep Howard with a spectacular campaign in Los Angeles, putting banners in key spots.’

While discussing the #STAYD12 banners around Los Angeles, Gasol decided to comment on his upcoming free agency and jokingly hopes that he receives the same treatment as Howard:

‘I hope they (Lakers) do the same for me next season when I become a free agent…I doubt it.’”
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Re: Pau Thread: Surgery a success; now rehab & rest for 12 weeks

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:03 pm

Yeah no. :man10:
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:14 pm

yea Pau I love you bro but you aren't getting that treatment. Hell im not sold Dwight should be getting it
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:13 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:yea Pau I love you bro but you aren't getting that treatment. Hell im not sold Dwight should be getting it


Pau's "goodwill" has long been used up...... in 19 million dollar chunks the last 2 years.

He's still valuable and can still give a team 14 and 8 but he's not a starting PF anymore (if he ever was) and he's not worth anywhere near this money at this point.

I wish him well and hope we can move him to a situation that is good for both us and him.
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Postby thisbjgz on Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:yea Pau I love you bro but you aren't getting that treatment. Hell im not sold Dwight should be getting it


Pau's "goodwill" has long been used up...... in 19 million dollar chunks the last 2 years.

He's still valuable and can still give a team 14 and 8 but he's not a starting PF anymore (if he ever was) and he's not worth anywhere near this money at this point.

I wish him well and hope we can move him to a situation that is good for both us and him.



I'm sorry but what? Pau is not a starting PF anymore? If you say he can avg 14 and 8, name me 15 other PF's who can consistently give you 14 and 8. The Kloves, LMA, Dlee, Griffin is obvious, but there aren't many. Plus the fact Pau can give you 2-4 dimes every game, I'd still take Pau over many PF's in this league. It's amazing how undervalued Pau can become here in these forums. Sure he's gotten soft and slower, Sure he's gotten injury prone a bit..but Pau still delivered us 2 championships just as much as Kobe has delivered us those titles in 09 and 10. Pau was balling before he went down with his injury vs the Nets. Id still bring back Pau at a cheap price next year if he wants to stay a Laker.
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Postby SK8 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:08 pm

Pau actually deserves it...
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Postby slimjim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:44 pm

People definitely undervalue Pau here on CL. (Not that I think he warrants billboards... dwight shouldn't have gotten them.)

Dude is still (IMO) the most versatile/skilled big man in the league.

While I don't think he's going to return to his pre-08 days... he's going to have a mini resurgence IMO.

This is his first summer off in a LONG time. Should help his knees out tremendously.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:56 pm

thisbjgz wrote:I'm sorry

You should have stopped right here.....

If you think Pau's performance at PF for us is adequate over the last two years that's fine... just state it. If you think his issues are because of injury just state it.

Comparing him, at his age and cost, to those other guys is not a fair assessment.

He can offer a team about 14 and 8... I didn't mean he can do that here with Dwight in the post.

Pau is far more valuable to us by being traded than expiring. In the meantime we won't have a championship contending team in his remaining time with the Laker regardless of whether he stays or goes.
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Postby kblo247 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:50 pm

There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves
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Postby lakersin4 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:39 pm

I don't know if I'd call it a resurgence, but I could see Pau putting up his old numbers if Dwight leaves. He'd work well as the main big with Nash & Kobe next to guys like Clark, Hill, probably a couple FA's that can protect the rim & cover up his weaknesses. He wouldn't be putting up those numbers on a team making 3 straight finals appearances though, we'd be on the treadmill for a year & have to hope for a big splash in FA.
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Postby slimjim on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:06 am

kblo247 wrote:There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves


Honestly... with Dwight and Pau's games... I've never understood why Pau played PF and Dwight played C.

Skill set wise, it makes way more sense.

Pau: Initiate from the post, give him room to operate his post move ness.
Dwight: Play off the ball. Catch passes from Pau/Kobe/Nash (lobs, pnr, etc)

Dwight howard is a FACE TO THE BASKET type of player. He is not the back to the basket type player he thinks he is. Go watch any of his highlight. All his baskets are face to the basket type plays. Even when he starts back to the basket. One of the first things he always did was face the defender and beat him face to face. When he backs down the defender... TO

It just makes so much more sense for Dwight to play the roaming PF face to the basket role. Whereas you park Pau in the lane to initiate and use his skillset.
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:56 am

Best thing for him is Dwight walks...we'll just have to pair him with a bruiser...
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:59 am

This thread should have been locked by March 2012 at the latest ... and I'm amazed by the number of passes some fans give him
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Postby Finwë on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:10 am

slimjim wrote:
kblo247 wrote:There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves


Honestly... with Dwight and Pau's games... I've never understood why Pau played PF and Dwight played C.

Skill set wise, it makes way more sense.

Pau: Initiate from the post, give him room to operate his post move ness.
Dwight: Play off the ball. Catch passes from Pau/Kobe/Nash (lobs, pnr, etc)

Dwight howard is a FACE TO THE BASKET type of player. He is not the back to the basket type player he thinks he is. Go watch any of his highlight. All his baskets are face to the basket type plays. Even when he starts back to the basket. One of the first things he always did was face the defender and beat him face to face. When he backs down the defender... TO

It just makes so much more sense for Dwight to play the roaming PF face to the basket role. Whereas you park Pau in the lane to initiate and use his skillset.

Thing is, Dwight has no ball handling skills / coordination to get by guys or evade guys. Also, he's got no shooting touch at all, so that makes him way easier to guard as a face up player. Add terrible FT shooting and being turnover prone, that hurts his production too..
Only face up situations he can be somewhat effective in are when he starts from the block, really close to the basket. Anything that takes more than one dribble or is far enough that he'd have to weave his way to the hoop would probably end badly.

This is partly why the Nash-Howard PnR didn't work well this season.
Nash is accostumed to big men with a particular skillset: some shooting touch, and good coordination/ability to weave their way through the D. That's why he usually hits the roll man early, because when playing with Amare or Gortat that's what he did, and they either shot the little J or took it strong to the rim. It's a good way to play the PnR because you strike faster and it's tougher to stop IMO.
Problem is, with Dwight's skillset, that doesn't work. He needs to get a lob, or guys finding him right under the hoop for an easy dunk / lay in. If not that, he looks for the defensive switch, gets good position on the block for a quick post-up and score. Sounds good but it takes work to time it and pull it off, and our spacing issues + defenders feeling that you can just foul Howard and you beat the play made it less effective.
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:17 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:This thread should have been locked by March 2012 at the latest ... and I'm amazed by the number of passes some fans give him


I'll keep giving him chances as long as he is here... He won two rings for us.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:30 am

IMO, if Dwight walks, I'd still trade Paul for draft picks, youth or a combination of both. I'd rather start Jordan Hill at the 5 next year.
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Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:01 am

If Dwight walks I think Pau will stick around for a couple years at a discount with Kobe. He loved being a Laker until we got Dwight & D'antoni.
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Postby TSpence26 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 pm

I feel bad for pau... Dude won us 2 rings and we aren't as appreciative to him... Dwight hasn't done anything
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:05 pm

TSpence26 wrote:I feel bad for pau... Dude won us 2 rings and we aren't as appreciative to him... Dwight hasn't done anything

Well, he kind of "rested" the past 3 years so the hostility towards him is well deserved... Hopefully he comes back strong this year after the surgery.
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Postby kakafung on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:07 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:
TSpence26 wrote:I feel bad for pau... Dude won us 2 rings and we aren't as appreciative to him... Dwight hasn't done anything

Well, he kind of "rested" the past 3 years so the hostility towards him is well deserved... Hopefully he comes back strong this year after the surgery.

in his view ,WON 2 RINGS>RESTED 3 THREE YEAR :man9:
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Postby thisbjgz on Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:30 pm

kblo247 wrote:There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves


When did you become a Laker fan? I don't quite understand.

Bynum and Pau started..but Odom played for Bynum to finish games with Pau during those championship years.

It was Pau who had a crazy double double game in game 7 vs the Celtics that gave us the last final lift we needed because yeah..Kobe was 6/24..did I mention he out-rebounded the whole Celtic frontline by himself? Seriously like I said i know he hasn't been the Pau we been accustomed to during that 2-peat. He's declining faster than usual, but at the end of the day he DELIVERED IT. HE BROUGHT 2 MORE TITLES UM HELLO ITS UP IN THE RAFTERS OF STAPLES CENTER. KOBE HAS 5 TITLES INSTEAD OF 3. (Kobe was MVP but Kobe wouldn't have won without Pau) Yall are seriously forgetting how big Pau was for us during that run. We made the finals 3 straight years and won 2 championships after he got here, it's no coincidence.

What I'm really trying to get at is fine, if users wanna make amateur trade ideas, go for it. But don't disrepect Pau as the player. Lol it's also funny how users here would throw trade offers that usually only benefit the Lakers end too, just to show how much value they think Pau can land the Lakers.
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Postby LooN3y on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:09 am

slimjim wrote:
kblo247 wrote:There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves


Honestly... with Dwight and Pau's games... I've never understood why Pau played PF and Dwight played C.

Skill set wise, it makes way more sense.

Pau: Initiate from the post, give him room to operate his post move ness.
Dwight: Play off the ball. Catch passes from Pau/Kobe/Nash (lobs, pnr, etc)

Dwight howard is a FACE TO THE BASKET type of player. He is not the back to the basket type player he thinks he is. Go watch any of his highlight. All his baskets are face to the basket type plays. Even when he starts back to the basket. One of the first things he always did was face the defender and beat him face to face. When he backs down the defender... TO

It just makes so much more sense for Dwight to play the roaming PF face to the basket role. Whereas you park Pau in the lane to initiate and use his skillset.



this was my initial thought, and thought this was the game plan when we first got dwight

i was shocked when we threw dwight in the post for him to initiate, i was mind boggled actually.

who n why would they do that, im sure it was because the whole contract situation, i mean did they not see him in orlando?

i was screaming for this all season, the thing is, dwight sucks, in terms of skill sets, fundamentals, and actual skills and talent.

if he wasnt 6'11/7 foot and wasnt so athletic he wouldnt be in the nba
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Postby kblo247 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:51 am

thisbjgz wrote:
kblo247 wrote:There is no resurgence as long as he plays PF. Odom was the damn PF those titles and finals runs, logged most the minutes, defended the spot, and put up the numbers there, the first year Pau was truly a 4 for us was Phil's last year because Bynum was healthy, and Pau killed this team as a liability and had become a bigger offensive and defensive liability there. His only future as a Laker is that of C if Dwight leaves


When did you become a Laker fan? I don't quite understand.

Bynum and Pau started..but Odom played for Bynum to finish games with Pau during those championship years.

It was Pau who had a crazy double double game in game 7 vs the Celtics that gave us the last final lift we needed because yeah..Kobe was 6/24..did I mention he out-rebounded the whole Celtic frontline by himself? Seriously like I said i know he hasn't been the Pau we been accustomed to during that 2-peat. He's declining faster than usual, but at the end of the day he DELIVERED IT. HE BROUGHT 2 MORE TITLES UM HELLO ITS UP IN THE RAFTERS OF STAPLES CENTER. KOBE HAS 5 TITLES INSTEAD OF 3. (Kobe was MVP but Kobe wouldn't have won without Pau) Yall are seriously forgetting how big Pau was for us during that run. We made the finals 3 straight years and won 2 championships after he got here, it's no coincidence.

What I'm really trying to get at is fine, if users wanna make amateur trade ideas, go for it. But don't disrepect Pau as the player. Lol it's also funny how users here would throw trade offers that usually only benefit the Lakers end too, just to show how much value they think Pau can land the Lakers.

Bynum was starter in name only during the postseasons, and series like versus the Jazz he wasnt even that as Odom got put in the starting unit and Walton was placed on Milsap because drew couldn't keep up

Pau logged considerably more Center minutes than Bynum in the 09 and 10 playoffs, Odom logged more PF Minutes than Pau the 09 and 10 playoffs. Bynum logged 15-20 minutes and provided numbers Luc Longley could better, lets not twist facts. He was a top 3 C in the league during those title runs along with Duncan and Dwight. And I truly believe he can make a run for a top5-10 center in the league still, but he ain't close to a top 15 PF and hasn't been the past 3 years

The first playoff run Pau saw significant PF time was in 11 when Landry destroyed him and Dirk bent him over much like his last playoff series ever in Memphis. And yes Landry did destroy him to the point they doubled every trip down, but the Hornets being Ariza and Jack missed the 3s the Mavs hit. And yes Dirk destoryed him, shot over 60% vs Pau, and to make matters worse we paid for every bit of help we tried to give. Bynum was healthy those playoffs so Phil had to truly play him and it cost the team. It exposed Pau for being too soft, too slow, and too unathletic. I also exposed his lack of a jumper and the fact he had no idea to defend on the perimeter as he solely got us swept by Dallas with his fouling dirk up 1 in a two profession game 30 feet out intentionally with none to give much the shock of every laker player, coach, and fan in staples.

Then Pau played the next two seasons primarily at PF full time as well as these last tow abysmal playoff runs where he was and is a detriment because he can't defend the spot, not can he offensively score from it to force himself to be accounted for with a respectable jump shot.

Pau just isn't a PF. He never truly was as a Laker. Bynum stayed hurt, so Pau always had the luxury his first 2.5 years here as a Center with Odom logging most the PF minutes and leaving he paint alone to him. It was never a secret that Bynum and Pau both played better with Odom than one another. I was never a secret that the team has always functioned better with one big and Lamar during their glory, and that even goes for Kobe whose jumper and inside scoring see a rise when one of Pau/Bynum were out there with Lamar while the other was off the floor not clogging up the paint.

Plus the fact is undeniable last year Metta was a better 4 than Pau. We had top 5 best defensive numbers in the league with Metta at the 4 and Dwight at the 5 without Pau out there, that's how bad Pau was out there next to Dwight, how vulnerable he made us, and why the reports were that he would be amnestied if Dwight returned.

Now as far as the other question, I first saw my first laker game I can remember in 95 with Nick and Eddie, and then I saw my first game in person which was sl with Kobe and fish that summer. Following them ever since, including taking the 190 hit since I moved to Louisiana for school and work
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Postby diehard on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:49 am

Not going to lie, I didn't read most of this 367 pages, and I may be a little out of it from last night's fun, but I think Pau is a better center than Dwight. Of course he's not as good defensively, although Pau has had some BIG blocks in the past. He is far superior offensively though, and I think he has 2-3 good years left at center. Trade Howard for some youth, and let the old, wily vets (Kobe, Pau, Nash) lead the way - much like Kobe tried to tell Howard in the first place. I think Kobe and Pau would sign more reasonable contracts next year to help make this happen. We could still get one max player and a couple of real good/less than max players to go along.
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