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Would you re-sign Pau for ~7 million per?

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby XXIV on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:01 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Great rebounding tonight, clutch plays at the end.

Where did your post game go though? Wow.


Pretty much this.

Also, that last second block on Korver got me the win in one of my fantasy leagues. Nice job on that Pau! :man10: :jam2:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Weezy on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:49 pm

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Word.


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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:58 pm

At least Pau has the balls to say what's on his mind last year concerning Dan and same thing this year if he knows something else might be working better. Somebody needs to. Wonder if Rambis has a tongue left, he must be biting it every night watching Hill, a player much like he was, not having what he brings every night being taken advantage of because of Dan's fetishes. Like leaving Blake on Korver who's like 6" taller. Hey dumba$$ ….. how about sticking Wes Johnson on him or Henry to at least bother him.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:01 am

but guys, wesley johnson is a power forward
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:56 am

Pau has become so bad on the block because he doesn't his knees anymore ....

How are you supposed to make a strong move and bear the physical contact defender when you almost are standing still ?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:10 am

KB24 wrote:The Howard/Bynum excuse is gone and Gasol is still shooting Js at the elbow area and looks like he is glued to the floor.


ya but you forgot the MDA factor.....

Guys here can speculate all they want but what is FACT is that MDA DOESN'T WANT post play.....this is fact because it's come out of the horses mouth..... actually....correction...the jacka*** mouth.

If the coach don't want it than the player does not focus on it in the off-seasons.......

Pau is a finesse guy...... which means if you want what's best for the guy at this time in his career you must impose your will upon him as a coach...... now ask yourself......is MDA that coach? you know... Mr. Post play is inefficient lol......

And I'm not saying Pau could magically become Pau of 2009-10 either....... I'm just say'n you have the wrong coach to give this guy a fighting chance at what fans seem to want or wish he would be.......This coach could have Kareem and figure out a way to make him undervalued and unproductive......
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:20 am

^^^^ just stop ... I guess Mike Clown didn't want Pau to post midgets like Faried and Harrington too
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:35 am

wcsoldier - actually...brown plays a lot of stretch 4 too within his philosophy EVERYWHERE he's been and what was Pau's position during the Potatoes days?..... mmmmmmmm

say stop all you want...... if you don;t want to hear counter points than why not just talk to yourself and only to those who agree with you...... that's worked really well for societies I hear (sarcasm)

seriously though...... a philosophy of approach is important all around and dictates what a player works on within practices, off-seasons and such......

And I've said in the past...... don't expect 2010 Pau....... he's older and has digressed physically...... and when that happens you have to work harder at being sharp with your footwork and tricks to create space...... the key 2nwords there is "work harder"........ a serious disconnect with a coach that has said he doesn't like or want much post play.....that part is FACT unlike the speculation most people dump on here with their player evaluation techniques.....

what MDA wants is pre-Lakers Pau..... the young athletic face up player......... just like he wants that younger Suns/Mavericks days Nash........... he can want that AAAAALLLLLLLLLLL he wants.....the reality is he doesn't have that and no matter how much he tries to will it he will continue to not have it....

Good coaches put guys in position to succeed with what they have on the roster........... bad coach is a one trick pony who can't work with what he truly has........
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:32 am

Were my eyes deceiving me, or did Pau actually take the ball to the basket and dunk it a couple times last night?

Wow! That sort of thing is rarer than an appearance by Halley's Comet.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:39 am

MC wrote:wcsoldier - actually...brown plays a lot of stretch 4 too within his philosophy EVERYWHERE he's been and what was Pau's position during the Potatoes days?..... mmmmmmmm


He did that in Cleveland (1st stint)? Interesting.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:48 pm

I wonder what kind of value Pau has right now? I don't think it's safe to wait until the deadline to trade him.. If the rumors start up again I have no doubt he'll get injured & probably walk for more $ in the offseason.. He came to this franchise & helped us get 2 rings & has been rumored to be traded the entire time.. & actually was traded once.. At 1 point I thought he might take a paycut to stick around & win more with Kobe + whoever we sign next summer, but he really has no reason to show that kind of loyalty. Might aswell cash in & get what we can before he gets hurt.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:57 pm

I don't know if Pau can physically bang on the block any more. We all want him to, I wonder if he can physically still do it.

He did try at least last night and he had a couple of dunks and boarded well which was nice to see.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:46 pm

^^I think the answer was pretty clear last night. He couldn't get a clean shot up that came close in 6 or 7 paint opportunities that I saw. This is at the beginning of the season with a full summer of rest.

I think we need to feed Kaman in the post and let Pau float around the outside. The post stuff is getting hard to watch these days.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:57 pm

Better get used to hearing Bill Macdonald saying "Gasol for three!"

At least between now and 02/20/2013, anyway. :man12:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby GoldenKnight on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:28 pm

Pau played better last night, was a bit more aggressive but still needs to play better in the post. Those skills can't be THAT bad now adays right?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:52 pm

It's always something

@LakersReporter: * @paugasol said he feels a “little better,” but not 100% from the upper respiratory issue he’s had for a week.


Something to make us go, "oh that's why he played so weak" again anyway. I mean the dunks were nice, but his post game reeks.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby nduri on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:55 pm

KB24 wrote:The Howard/Bynum excuse is gone and Gasol is still shooting Js at the elbow area and looks like he is glued to the floor.

I would trade him for a pick that would end up somewhere in the top 8.


Too bad we need a willing trade partner to pull that off. It's possible though.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:54 pm

I'd still trade him. Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen...
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:10 pm

Remember that Pau is the #1 option for our team right now. He is the focus of the defense's attention. It is his presence that opens the floor up for Xavier, Young, Meeks, etc. If Kobe is even close to where he was last year when he comes back, Pau is gonna have a lot more room to operate.

Also, post play requires a rhythm. You have to be able to get used to the hard contact, and start gauging your aim based on how much force is being applied during your shot...even Shaq looked like crap in games where we didn't commit to the post and his attempts were scattered and inconsistent.

It's like the running game in football, if you abandon it, or don't consistently use it, it is less effective per play. I feel that perimeter play is the opposite, that it gets more effective the more moderate you are with its application.

And anyone that thinks I am making excuses for Pau, needs to check their ignorance at the door. I am happy with Pau's performance, and if you think there are any guys available in the entire league who could give us even EQUAL value (let alone more) then by all means, I'm all ears. Though I do believe in loyalty.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby jlkr on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:24 pm

nduri wrote:
KB24 wrote:The Howard/Bynum excuse is gone and Gasol is still shooting Js at the elbow area and looks like he is glued to the floor.

I would trade him for a pick that would end up somewhere in the top 8.


Too bad we need a willing trade partner to pull that off. It's possible though.

Pau for a lottery pick? Someone's going to give up a lottery pick in the deepest draft in years for an aging post player who can barely post anymore?




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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby sister golden hair on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:12 pm

For what it's worth, today on the radio (am710) they played a snippet of Pau where he was saying that he's having trouble breathing. I didn't catch the whole snippet, but the gist seemed to be that his conditioning wasn't where it needed to be. He did not have a full off-season to prepare because of the knee procedures, so I'm willing to cut him some slack. Players who are out of shape become jump-shooters. That's an old truism.

But, yeah, it's getting late in the day for more excuses. He needs to start imposing himself more often on the low block. he doesn't need to do it every time down, but I wold say he has to the majority of the time. All that spacing MDA wants to generate is worthless if Pau is standing near the top of the key shooting fade-aways. That's not a high percentage shot and doesn't pressure the defense in the slightest. The inside game forces the defense to react and maybe even double, opening jumpers for other laker players. It also generates fouls on the opposition, forcing them into the penalty earlier than they would like. I'd rather see him conserve his energy for inside play, if stamina is an issue still, than try to generate production from outside the key.

When this team jumps out to big leads, I'd like to see the exploit the ability to post up and not allow the other teams to try to speed up the game to get back into quickly. You need to vary the pace. One issue I have with MDA ball is that he seems to only know one way to play: scatter ball with lots of threes attempted. It's fine if you are hitting them. But when the team goes cold, even big leads tend to evaporate quickly.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:27 pm

^ It would make sense that his conditioning isn't all there at the moment, but I expect it should return soon. You could tell he was getting winded when he wasn't contesting shots at the rim at all, and the few post ups he did have he didn't seem to have the energy or strength to back his opponent down effectively.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:03 am

D'Antoni was quoted in the rag Times today saying he was held out of the second half for so long because he was fighting a respiratory ailment. It was Bresnahan's recap of the game.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby kblo247 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:46 am

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby noobiew on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:11 am

No Pau, no more Bynum and Howard, all the post is belong to you now !
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