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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby XXIV on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:44 pm

Getting top tier talent in FA is difficult, that part is true, however the Lakers have shown (at least for the moment) that they don't intend to tank while Kobe is still playing. Also, the chance the getting a franchise player through drafting is just as difficult, perhaps even more difficult than getting one through FA.

For right now 2014 FA is our plan. Management will go hard after Lebron, Melo, and whoever else they feel can make an impact for this franchise. If it doesn't work out they'll deal with it when it happens, but currently they have a plan in mind and will try their best to make it work. That's more than what some other franchises have.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:45 pm

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Manve77 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:46 pm

Just like Nash, Pau is done...Let's get rid of the old guys+garbage like Blake and start rebuilding!
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:46 pm

XXIV wrote:Getting top tier talent in FA is difficult, that part is true, however the Lakers have shown (at least for the moment) that they don't intend to tank while Kobe is still playing. Also, the chance the getting a franchise player through drafting is just as difficult, perhaps even more difficult than getting one through FA.

For right now 2014 FA is our plan. Management will go hard after Lebron, Melo, and whoever else they feel can make an impact for this franchise. If it doesn't work out they'll deal with it when it happens, but currently they have a plan in mind and will try their best to make it work. That's more than what some other franchises have.


EVeryone has a plan until they punched in the nose, according to Mike Tyson.

If it's the wrong plan, what difference does it make?

Frankly, they screwed the pooch with the way they handles the Howard affair. His getting away for nothing. They may not recover from that absent a stroke of very good luck.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby XXIV on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:56 pm

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XXIV wrote:Getting top tier talent in FA is difficult, that part is true, however the Lakers have shown (at least for the moment) that they don't intend to tank while Kobe is still playing. Also, the chance the getting a franchise player through drafting is just as difficult, perhaps even more difficult than getting one through FA.

For right now 2014 FA is our plan. Management will go hard after Lebron, Melo, and whoever else they feel can make an impact for this franchise. If it doesn't work out they'll deal with it when it happens, but currently they have a plan in mind and will try their best to make it work. That's more than what some other franchises have.


EVeryone has a plan until they punched in the nose, according to Mike Tyson.

If it's the wrong plan, what difference does it make?

Frankly, they screwed the pooch with the way they handles the Howard affair. His getting away for nothing. They may not recover from that absent a stroke of very good luck.


Having a plan is better than no plan, and I agree with management that going hard at 2014 FA is probably are best bet.

How exactly did they handle the Howard affair wrong? Unless you're talking about not trading him when we had the chance, I don't think the Lakers should have gone through with his demands during FA.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:04 pm

XXIV wrote:
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XXIV wrote:Getting top tier talent in FA is difficult, that part is true, however the Lakers have shown (at least for the moment) that they don't intend to tank while Kobe is still playing. Also, the chance the getting a franchise player through drafting is just as difficult, perhaps even more difficult than getting one through FA.

For right now 2014 FA is our plan. Management will go hard after Lebron, Melo, and whoever else they feel can make an impact for this franchise. If it doesn't work out they'll deal with it when it happens, but currently they have a plan in mind and will try their best to make it work. That's more than what some other franchises have.


EVeryone has a plan until they punched in the nose, according to Mike Tyson.

If it's the wrong plan, what difference does it make?

Frankly, they screwed the pooch with the way they handles the Howard affair. His getting away for nothing. They may not recover from that absent a stroke of very good luck.


Having a plan is better than no plan, and I agree with management that going hard at 2014 FA is probably are best bet.

How exactly did they handle the Howard affair wrong? Unless you're talking about not trading him when we had the chance, I don't think the Lakers should have gone through with his demands during FA.


Yes, I think they should have traded him when they had the chance.

The 2014 plan, IMO, is doomed to failure. Pat Riley will not allow a once-in-a-lifetime player like LBJ to walk away. Riles will dump whomever, whenever and retool. Why would LBJ come to LA and leave an organization that he's helped build into a name around the world? For what, exactly?

And why would melo come play for a team coached by MDA? Didn't he and MDA negate one another in MY?

Riles has to go through far fewer hopes to placate and re-assure LBJ than LA will have to do.

If you can't get LBJ or Melo, it's pointless. And LA won't be getting either player. IMO, the 2014 plan is the newest iteration of "wait till next year."
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby XXIV on Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:15 pm

I don't think we'll be getting LBJ and MDA won't be here IMO. Melo is however I believe to be a possibility.

We'll see what happens in 2014, maybe what you state ends up happening or there's some miracle and we do get LBJ. There's still a lot of time between now and then so who knows what's going to happen during that time. All we can do is wait and see.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby MC on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:27 am

Of course they are going to get killed on the road lol.......... jump shooting teams that are specifically relying on their bench to be THE difference is a double edged sword......often ok at home and many times as awful as it can be on the road........ this is boring beyond reason........ we have a simpleton of a coach with an EGO that doesn't match his intelligence (and the prodigy child owner that is a mental midget as it relates to basketball).....end of story.

LBJ is a pipe-dream lol...... WHY would Riley let him leave Miami and WHY would LBJ leave Riley for the unproven younger Buss member that has so far hired the likes of Brown (a coach LBJ got fired) and MDA who really should be no more than an assistant to someone who can coach? seriously? what is the up-sell exactly to a guy that is now an international icon?

If that is the plan.....it will fail and fail big time lol
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:53 am

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby khmrP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:35 am

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:45 pm

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Vasashi17 wrote:F D'Antoni...contribute 2 titles...contribute anything first before calling a Lakers legend a "fan" and belittling the Spaniard continuously.

We can all agree that Pau has dropped off. Some due to age/injury, but some certainly due to how he's being utilized. Give Adelman or Pop Pau and I'm sure the Spaniard would look much better.


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If PJ said this everyone would praise him but because it's MDA....


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Um, one clearly contributed to the Lakers success over the other. Till Mike does that, he better STFU.

Some of this is on Pau as well, but I rather have someone more deserving judo chop Pau's chest than have the likes of MDA talking all slick to him.

Just out of curiosity, MDA was talking about us scoring 115 per, not our opponents...right?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:07 pm

^^It's semantics.... Pau isn't playing well... whether it's because he doesn't like the system, doesn't like the coach or can't anymore I don't care.... nor should our coach whomever that may be. Results are what matters and if public discussion of ones performance is a motivator then more power to MDA.....

This is coming from someone who is ambivalent to MDA the person however I believe that his "style" of basketball will never win a championship with every fiber of my being. As I've said before..... to get back to being a championship caliber team it's the players we need to worry about....once they are in place if the coach doesn't perform that will change quickly.....
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:19 pm

Pau clearly needs to be the 2nd fiddle and as another poster pointed out earlier, that can be seen with his winless postseason resume in Memphis.

When Kob comes back, it should help his game. Yet its hard to ignore that the arrival of MDA has affected his game. The drop off from year to year statistically was significant when MDA arrived. Under Brown, Pau nearly duplicated his output from the following year in Phil's final season.

Enter MDA and Pau fell off a cliff. I'm not deflecting blame here. Pau needs to man up and be the guy till Kobe comes back, but this style of play certainly isn't contributing in a positive manner to our frontline.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:35 pm

^^Pau went missing during the 2011 playoffs.... under Phil. In fact the second half of that season he was noticeably a different player than the one the previous season.

While you say you aren't connecting Pau's play to MDA it seems that you are.

Pau is getting older and less athletic. He was never that athletic to begin with for his size.... his skill was his differentiator. What he's lost in athleticism he cannot make up for in skill any longer. I'm in the camp that this is 90% "Father Time" related and who is sitting on the bench has little to do with what we are seeing from him.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:56 pm

Its been insinuated that Pau was suffering through a personal issue heading into the playoffs during Phil's last season. Not exactly sure what it was, but it may have been a broken engagement to his fiance.

Under MDA he has shot the lowest percentage he has ever shot. Now that's not all on MDA, but some of that has impacted his game. This style is clearly not made for him. We all know the style that MDA wants to run and how he feels about post play.

Injuries, age and even Pau's mentality (more finesse than a bruiser) all come into play and I'm not refuting that. But its undeniable that MDA hasn't played a vital factor in this ewquation.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:15 pm

^^IDK.... all things you and I are describing are chronological..... so is age.
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Postby Juronimo on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:23 pm

I agree with Rooscooter, it's age. Go find a Pau youtube clip showing Pau from 2008 - 2010 and it's a completely different person. That Pau was quick on his fleet and could change ends as fast as any big man in the game at the time. There is one play I remember where he ran down a loose ball like a guard and dunked it.

Physically he just can't do the stuff he used to. Since the first Mike was coach up until now the decline has been dramatic. He isn't the same player anymore. His knees are gone so that affects his ability to set up in the post, which requires lower body strength. Also he can't change ends anymore, which affects his face up game and his defense laterally and his ability to help an recover, all things he could do during 2008-2010.

Pau, and Nash as well are really showing the effects of age at this point in their careers. The mind is willing but the body isn't. What does that mean for us? Hello lottery.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:27 pm

The game today has caught up with Pau and Nash. You can run whatever offense you want, whatever defense you want, these guys are just too old and can no longer adapt to these young guys that are bigger, faster, stronger than them.

Pau could be in fast paced offense or slow it down offense, he still would get muscled on the block. He's already shot at least 4 airball hook shots from point blank range this season.

Pau could be on a team that emphasized defense, but he's still to slow to rotate, can't defend pick and roll and if you put a young guy like Faried on him, he will get outworked on the boards.

Blame the coaches, blame Pau, but guys like Pau and Nash just can't cut it anymore because it seems every team in the league has what they don't. Youth.

How many players are left from their generation that are still left contributing anything?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:23 pm

^ Garnett, Dirk, Kobe, and Tim.

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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby kblo247 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:27 pm

Vince, Marion, Pierce, and even Metta too if you look at his ny numbers

That said about Pau, with the news out of ny. Amare and Kenyon have got to bring it every night. I mean unless you think Melo playing 40mins like Kobe did last year to force NY into the playoffs while Metta and Bargs play the rest of the 4/5 time nightly is endearing him to stay. Their dark cloud could be the Silver lining in a LA season. Tyson even got the Nash injury. I love watching Tyson play but boy this may be the end of Melo in Ny and opening door for LA this summer or by trade even at the break if they just suck at the deadline and want a pick or Pau to not lose Melo for nothing.

Bargs is a 1rpg guy, lol Melos trying to clean that glass solo
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:33 pm

Pau looked like he was stuck in cement during most of last night's game.

It was sad to watch.

Father Time (and all the hard miles that come with being a Laker) have definitely caught up with him.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby kblo247 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:36 pm

That said about Pau, with the news out of ny. Amare and Kenyon have got to bring it every night. I mean unless you think Melo playing 40mins like Kobe did last year to force NY into the playoffs while Metta and Bargs play the rest of the 4/5 time nightly is endearing him to stay. Their dark cloud could be the Silver lining in a LA season. Tyson even got the Nash injury. I love watching Tyson play but boy this may be the end of Melo in Ny and opening door for LA this summer or by trade even at the break if they just suck at the deadline and want a pick or Pau to not lose Melo for nothing.


Vultures attack at the right time. If ny is bad and Martin/Amare go out, it will be the right time to make a ploy for Melo and point out they have no cap space or depth. Hell Melo for Pau just right now improves this team. Cut Williams out the rotation, start Melo at PF, and then Dantoni can still have his Hill and Kaman at C only thing.

Kobe returns to this team with Melo for Pau hypothetically down the line
- Nash/Farmar
- Kobe/Meeks
- X/Swaggy
- Melo/Wes
- Kaman/Hill

Williams off the bench with the three young bigs and Blake takes his 2 month rib vacation.

Mitch has to be watching and thinking prey on them. Its better to get Melo now when the ship be sinking than wait for the playoffs. Even better if you can get him and Kobe a small sample together.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby bystander on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:54 pm

Its been insinuated that Pau was suffering through a personal issue heading into the playoffs during Phil's last season. Not exactly sure what it was, but it may have been a broken engagement to his fiance.


That rumor and the Brown crunching his gf rumor were both untrue. For whatever reason If Pau had any personal issues, they were never public. He's still with that GF, last pic of them i saw were this summer with Marc and his GF, the 4 of them in a yacht in Menorca, Spain.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby revgen on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:58 pm

Thanks for the info Bystander.

Whatever the problem was in 2011, it was never disclosed. But I'm guessing that age took it's toll on him.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:12 pm

Garnett, Dirk, Kobe, and Tim all are either injured, or largely ineffective to this point in this season as well. Dirk didn't look much better than Pau last night and Garnett is slowing down as well.
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