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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:40 am

thisbjgz wrote:Just send him to houston for a patternson/parsons/delfino package or something


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby thisbjgz on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:43 am

GoldenKnight wrote:
thisbjgz wrote:Just send him to houston for a patternson/parsons/delfino package or something


We wish...


Houston needs that big man to take em to the next level with Lin and Harden.
And Houston has like some serious love for Pau. I really Hope Mitch starts to explore Houston
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:44 am

GoldenKnight wrote:
thisbjgz wrote:Just send him to houston for a patternson/parsons/delfino package or something


We wish...


would love this package as well but Parson looks pretty untouchable at this point
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:50 am

thisbjgz wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:
thisbjgz wrote:Just send him to houston for a patternson/parsons/delfino package or something


We wish...


Houston needs that big man to take em to the next level with Lin and Harden.
And Houston has like some serious love for Pau. I really Hope Mitch starts to explore Houston


Unfortunately, Houston is over Pau & is very high on Parsons.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby The Rock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:54 am

Its inexcusable to play next to two of the greatest guards of their generation and shoot 40% from the field. Just unacceptable. Hes still shooting a poor % from the field even after Nash has returned. Looking at his age and his contract along with our recent trade history who in their right mind is going to want Pau? I dont think we can even get bad contracts players for him. Right now we're stuck with him, lets just try to work out this marriage. He has no business finishing games unless hes playing well, D'Antoni was right all along that this dude is shaky in close games but gave him the benefit of hte doubt after the dinner and let him finish 2 of the last 3 games, Pau has not looked convincing on either end at all. Just use him on the team but dont let him finish games, hes too mentally fragile or whatever the hell is going on with him. Then trade him in the offseason when he becomes an expiring contract. Really disappointing what has happened to him, hes not even competing and battling any more thats the least he could, he wont even try harder.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:00 pm

The Rock wrote:Its inexcusable to play next to two of the greatest guards of their generation and shoot 40% from the field. Just unacceptable. Hes still shooting a poor % from the field even after Nash has returned. Looking at his age and his contract along with our recent trade history who in their right mind is going to want Pau? I dont think we can even get bad contracts players for him. Right now we're stuck with him, lets just try to work out this marriage. He has no business finishing games unless hes playing well, D'Antoni was right all along that this dude is shaky in close games but gave him the benefit of hte doubt after the dinner and let him finish 2 of the last 3 games, Pau has not looked convincing on either end at all. Just use him on the team but dont let him finish games, hes too mentally fragile or whatever the hell is going on with him. Then trade him in the offseason when he becomes an expiring contract. Really disappointing what has happened to him, hes not even competing and battling any more thats the least he could, he wont even try harder.


It must be more frustrating for him to completely play away from the post, which is what he has done all his career & how we won 2 rings with him. It must affect him way more than we all think it is affecting him. You think he would shoot 40% from the field if he played in the post as much as he did during the championship years? He has been turned into a jump shooter, even a 3 point shooter, how do you expect him to still shoot 50%? He is being forced into a role he simply cannot play, you cannot force a player to play a certain way just because you need the floor stretched. Yes he is a professional but that doesn't mean he will automatically be a stretch 4 & shoot the same % from anywhere. I feel for Pau, the intensity isn't there, the passion is gone, he is not comfortable, and with reason.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:13 pm

IF Joe Johnson got traded, anything is possible....granted Atl got a boat load of turd for him but still :man10:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Helljumper on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:14 pm

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The Rock wrote:Its inexcusable to play next to two of the greatest guards of their generation and shoot 40% from the field. Just unacceptable. Hes still shooting a poor % from the field even after Nash has returned. Looking at his age and his contract along with our recent trade history who in their right mind is going to want Pau? I dont think we can even get bad contracts players for him. Right now we're stuck with him, lets just try to work out this marriage. He has no business finishing games unless hes playing well, D'Antoni was right all along that this dude is shaky in close games but gave him the benefit of hte doubt after the dinner and let him finish 2 of the last 3 games, Pau has not looked convincing on either end at all. Just use him on the team but dont let him finish games, hes too mentally fragile or whatever the hell is going on with him. Then trade him in the offseason when he becomes an expiring contract. Really disappointing what has happened to him, hes not even competing and battling any more thats the least he could, he wont even try harder.


It must be more frustrating for him to completely play away from the post, which is what he has done all his career & how we won 2 rings with him. It must affect him way more than we all think it is affecting him. You think he would shoot 40% from the field if he played in the post as much as he did during the championship years? He has been turned into a jump shooter, even a 3 point shooter, how do you expect him to still shoot 50%? He is being forced into a role he simply cannot play, you cannot force a player to play a certain way just because you need the floor stretched. Yes he is a professional but that doesn't mean he will automatically be a stretch 4 & shoot the same % from anywhere. I feel for Pau, the intensity isn't there, the passion is gone, he is not comfortable, and with reason.


Agreed. If D'antoni would just put Pau in the post a bit more like we used to do back in the championship days, Pau's numbers would skyrocket. We can't expect him to play well if he's forced to take jumpers. We need him down low, in the post, close to the basket, probably in the 3-9 feet away from the basket region. He'd be much more effective down there. And since he'd be more effective there offensively, his passion/intensity might come back and we might see the nimble Pau of old who can play better defense.

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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby The Rock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:17 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:
The Rock wrote:Its inexcusable to play next to two of the greatest guards of their generation and shoot 40% from the field. Just unacceptable. Hes still shooting a poor % from the field even after Nash has returned. Looking at his age and his contract along with our recent trade history who in their right mind is going to want Pau? I dont think we can even get bad contracts players for him. Right now we're stuck with him, lets just try to work out this marriage. He has no business finishing games unless hes playing well, D'Antoni was right all along that this dude is shaky in close games but gave him the benefit of hte doubt after the dinner and let him finish 2 of the last 3 games, Pau has not looked convincing on either end at all. Just use him on the team but dont let him finish games, hes too mentally fragile or whatever the hell is going on with him. Then trade him in the offseason when he becomes an expiring contract. Really disappointing what has happened to him, hes not even competing and battling any more thats the least he could, he wont even try harder.


It must be more frustrating for him to completely play away from the post, which is what he has done all his career & how we won 2 rings with him. It must affect him way more than we all think it is affecting him. You think he would shoot 40% from the field if he played in the post as much as he did during the championship years? He has been turned into a jump shooter, even a 3 point shooter, how do you expect him to still shoot 50%? He is being forced into a role he simply cannot play, you cannot force a player to play a certain way just because you need the floor stretched. Yes he is a professional but that doesn't mean he will automatically be a stretch 4 & shoot the same % from anywhere. I feel for Pau, the intensity isn't there, the passion is gone, he is not comfortable, and with reason.


Hes shooting like 25% from the paint this year lol
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby borri on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:19 pm

Why do people keep bringing up Pau playing in the post? He's been at his WORST anywhere near the basket.

Come on people........guy can barely get off the ground. You kinda need some hops near the rim to get your shot off, or not get rejected by the rim....like last game. LOL, that was pathetic for us Laker fans but funny too...in a really really sad way.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:43 pm

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trodgers wrote:Pau's FG% by distance (league averages in parentheses):

At Rim: 67% (64)
3-9 Feet: 23% (38)
10-15 Feet: 17% (41)
16-23 Feet: 41% (38)
Threes: eFG% of 45 (54)

He hits one in five shots from three to fifteen feet. And he's only average at the rim. Look at his brother, by comparison:

73%-47%-44%-42%-nil

Or for a real post player, Bynum last year:
73%-43%-27%-26%-30%

Notice how the numbers are awesome inside and they get worse the farther out you go? Gasol is basically the opposite.


Bumping this so people can see that, Pau in the post =/= maximizing Pau.


Can this be stickied or something?

Pau in the post =/= shooting a higher %.

People need to stop referring to the Gasol in the post during the championship years, HE'S NOT THAT GUY ANYMORE. Every time I hear Pau needs to play in the post more, I think, what the hell? Has no one else seen what he does or how he's played the last 2-3 years in the post? It's awful.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:45 pm

Trade Pau please.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:52 pm

The Rock wrote:
GoldenKnight wrote:
The Rock wrote:Its inexcusable to play next to two of the greatest guards of their generation and shoot 40% from the field. Just unacceptable. Hes still shooting a poor % from the field even after Nash has returned. Looking at his age and his contract along with our recent trade history who in their right mind is going to want Pau? I dont think we can even get bad contracts players for him. Right now we're stuck with him, lets just try to work out this marriage. He has no business finishing games unless hes playing well, D'Antoni was right all along that this dude is shaky in close games but gave him the benefit of hte doubt after the dinner and let him finish 2 of the last 3 games, Pau has not looked convincing on either end at all. Just use him on the team but dont let him finish games, hes too mentally fragile or whatever the hell is going on with him. Then trade him in the offseason when he becomes an expiring contract. Really disappointing what has happened to him, hes not even competing and battling any more thats the least he could, he wont even try harder.


It must be more frustrating for him to completely play away from the post, which is what he has done all his career & how we won 2 rings with him. It must affect him way more than we all think it is affecting him. You think he would shoot 40% from the field if he played in the post as much as he did during the championship years? He has been turned into a jump shooter, even a 3 point shooter, how do you expect him to still shoot 50%? He is being forced into a role he simply cannot play, you cannot force a player to play a certain way just because you need the floor stretched. Yes he is a professional but that doesn't mean he will automatically be a stretch 4 & shoot the same % from anywhere. I feel for Pau, the intensity isn't there, the passion is gone, he is not comfortable, and with reason.


Hes shooting like 25% from the paint this year lol


If you take a player off his sweet spots and making him practice other aspects of the game which he is not accustomed to, guess which part of his game will decrease? He is not improving on the outside because he is being forced and also forgetting how to play in the post because he is restricted from doing so. Pau was an excellent post player & we should have never shied him away from that. He doesn't have a choice, it's stretch the floor or bench, how is that going to make him comfortable?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby The Rock on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:57 pm

1) Why isn't he posting up when Dwight is out of the game? The post belongs to him. He isn't getting it done then

2) What kind of skilled player is he if he cant knock down an open 13-15 footer? Seriously half the time its not even contested.

Hes not producing when he gets post opportunities with Dwight out of the game so why should he deserve post opportunities when Dwight is in the game?
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby borri on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:57 pm

I think people have got to come to grips with the current Pau. He's no longer the Pau of the back to back years.

I know it's hard, but it's the truth. It's been this way since PJ slapped Pau's chest against DAL. EVen last year, when Bynum was out of the game and Pau had the post to himself.....he did virtually nothing with it.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Center Court on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:30 pm

khmrP wrote:Pau can play like David Lee, he just doesn't give that type of effort but from skill point of view I didn't see ANYTHING Lee do that Pau couldn't do last nite.



I think you are missing the big point...

skill wise, Pau >>>> Lee. It's not even close.

motor wise, 3/10 of Lee out hustles Pau at full speed.

It's all about heart, passion, confidence, belief, and DESIRE. Pau does not want this anymore. If he did, he'd play much differently. Maybe stats are not a whole lot different overall, but our record would be.

Pau wants to play classical music, work in hospitals, and help people. That's a great thing for him as a person, but right now he is a basketball player, and that should be his passion. When your contract is up, then you can walk away 100% but right now 100% needs to be here, and I'm not sure it is.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby Nashty Gal on Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Omg I WISH we could get Parsons for Pau! He's cuute :man1: and a good player of course :man12:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby borri on Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:40 pm

I knew Pau would suffer a drop-off this year, but never did I imagine him dropping off this much. 41.7% FG. Yikes. He was not the same player last year yet he still manage 50% FG.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:01 pm

Center Court wrote:
khmrP wrote:Pau can play like David Lee, he just doesn't give that type of effort but from skill point of view I didn't see ANYTHING Lee do that Pau couldn't do last nite.



I think you are missing the big point...

skill wise, Pau >>>> Lee. It's not even close.

motor wise, 3/10 of Lee out hustles Pau at full speed.

It's all about heart, passion, confidence, belief, and DESIRE. Pau does not want this anymore. If he did, he'd play much differently. Maybe stats are not a whole lot different overall, but our record would be.

Pau wants to play classical music, work in hospitals, and help people. That's a great thing for him as a person, but right now he is a basketball player, and that should be his passion. When your contract is up, then you can walk away 100% but right now 100% needs to be here, and I'm not sure it is.


hardly missed anything, I'm just saying Pau can play exactly like Lee even better but I acknowledge the fact that you and everyone else has pointed out, his effort/passion just isnt there.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:21 pm

I still believe in Pau's post game, we just haven't seen enough of it lately to judge it. As soon as he fades 1 time while being in the post I see "LET'S TRADE PAU!" "DID YOU SEE! POST GAME IS GONE!" Small sample size, I want to see him more in the post before completely giving up on him.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby John3:16 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:34 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:I still believe in Pau's post game, we just haven't seen enough of it lately to judge it. As soon as he fades 1 time while being in the post I see "LET'S TRADE PAU!" "DID YOU SEE! POST GAME IS GONE!" Small sample size, I want to see him more in the post before completely giving up on him.


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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:51 am

You've got to give credit to management here ... they knew the 2011 playoffs poor performance wasn't going to be a one time thing ... they basically get rid of the two future dead weights of the roster ( LO being obviously the other one) in a great trade ... unfortunately we got Sterned on the most expensive player .

I'm just so tired of reading the same system related excuse for Pau in the last 2 seasons ... I hope we trade him before his contract is over ... even if at this point we won't get much value back.

Pau has been a key player for us between 08 and 010 and seems to be a wonderful human being ... but as a Lakers fan , I can't take his constant poor performances and the constant excuses that go with it anymore .
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby bystander on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:20 am

are people still arguing about how awful is Pau now ? Don't you get tired ? Get over it. whinning every day about it won't help you with it.
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby John3:16 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:17 am

bystander wrote:are people still arguing about how awful is Pau now ? Don't you get tired ? Get over it. whinning every day about it won't help you with it.



That's not true. It makes me feel better. As I'm sure defending him every day makes you feel better. :man12:
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Re: Pau Gasol Discussion: three point specialist

Postby borri on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:39 pm

bystander wrote:are people still arguing about how awful is Pau now ? Don't you get tired ? Get over it. whinning every day about it won't help you with it.


At least we are whining about someone his IS playing poorly. Unlike the other guy who gets flack even after a good game.
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